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The Buddy Cianci Show

Wknd and Holland,

You have totally misdirected the original topic of the Buddy Cianci Show discussion to suit your own points. Your points are correct !! The typical average workaday citizen will not know or care about the content of any talk show. The original discussion was based upon whether of not The Buddy Cianci Show is good talk in today's world, or not. The insiders who roam this board, and know more than the average Joe, seem to be in agreement that it is NOT up to what was expected, when Citadel opened their wallets for the Former Mayor. There is no new ground broken, or even touched upon in this torturous 3 hours per day. Many friends of mine(even those who worked for, and loved Buddy) have tuned out. The whole premise of the discussion was..... will it work in the (get this guys) LONG RUN ?
 
Sally, we have been talking about that...by stating that the viewpoints of those here do not reflect the normal listener's opinion.

Maybe there are people here who had high expectations of what would happen or what they would hear; but from what I have heard, it is a good show. New ground broken...it's been 4 weeks since he has been on, are you expecting a groundbreaking story each day?
Give the guy a break, he is knocking off some old rust (it's been a couple of years since he has done this) and while it appears the topics he's been discussing lately don't suit you, in my opinion they have been spot on. While they may not be brand new, it is a fresh perspective to the conversation (seeing as the subjects are still relevant (the "anonymous" money for the directors position in Cicilline's administration, the Carcieri statements last week & attempt earlier in the year to get increases for the cabinet, the Lt. Governor's business travel, the pending layoffs of state employees). What would you have him discussing?
People are quick to say here that so and so should do this or why did they do that; but that is the great thing about radio, if it is not your taste, stop listening, there is plenty out there to tune in....

As far as former employees of Buddy's that have tuned out, got my share that I know who didn't listen originally when he signed on last month; but that are now listening on a daily basis. We here are not a good representation of the populace because we have or had our hands in it....would be the same thing if we were discussing stocks and we were all at some point in the financial services industry. Some people would like a stock, others would hate it; but in regards to the general populace, we'd be too engrained in our experiences to be able to seperate us from it well. Same goes here.
 
Re: "But...but...but..."

Holland Cooke said:
Seekonk Sally said:
You have totally misdirected the original topic of the Buddy Cianci Show discussion to suit your own points.
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But if Gore got the most votes, why isn't HE president?
And if there were no Weapons-of-Mass-Destruction...
And...OK...so if Oswald was not marksman-enough to get-off all-three-shots...
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Rosebud
 
wknd92 said:
We here are not a good representation of the populace because we have or had our hands in it....would be the same thing if we were discussing stocks and we were all at some point in the financial services industry.
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I totally disagree. That's like saying that former Presidents of the United States would not agree with the general population as to how good or bad a job President Bush is doing, simply because they have had the same job. That analogy makes no sense. I think that people here in this group are especially in tune with the pulse of Broadcasting and what sounds good as well as what doesn't. I don't think you and Holland are giving listeners enough credit. They are paying attention more than you two think they are. I think history would show that people in this forum and your "Average Joe" on the street have shared the same opinion more times than you care to believe.
 
Now that Buddy is WLNE's political guru.As seen on the 6pm newscast. Will that translate into better ratings for Channel 6? I've also been wondering. Did anyone here roll tape when BRU switched to "Buddy-FM"? The imaging they played was fun & creative!
 
HEADLINE NEWS...

Skynet74 said:
I don't think you and Holland are giving listeners enough credit. They are paying attention more than you two think they are. I think history would show that people in this forum and your "Average Joe" on the street have shared the same opinion more times than you care to believe.
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WE WISH that Homer & Marge Diarykeeper were sitting-remarkably-still, transcribing-what-we-say on graph paper.

But take-me-literally when-I-say take-me-literally.
TRY THIS.
Look at the people in the check-out line at Stop & Shop or Shaw's.

Better yet, ASK 'EM.

Ask 10 people HERE to name their dashboard pre-sets.
WE HERE, will list call LETTERS.
Same question at Shaw's.
They'll struggle to give you more-than-two-buttons-worth-of [dial position] NUMBERS.
 
Skynet74 said:
I totally disagree. That's like saying that former Presidents of the United States would not agree with the general population as to how good or bad a job President Bush is doing, simply because they have had the same job. That analogy makes no sense. I think that people here in this group are especially in tune with the pulse of Broadcasting and what sounds good as well as what doesn't. I don't think you and Holland are giving listeners enough credit. They are paying attention more than you two think they are. I think history would show that people in this forum and your "Average Joe" on the street have shared the same opinion more times than you care to believe.
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Sky, what focus groups have you monitored in your life? When you talk about radio, how involved were the people you are talking to in the broadcasting/media industry, you have to take that into account. You are talking about 2 things that are seperate as well-Yes, we are in tune with what sounds good because we either did it or wished we had. The general listeners of the populace don't get that deep...trust me, I've been behind enough 1 way glass (on the good side) to at times want to take a chair, throw it through it and scream at how mind numbing stupid people can be. You have to realize that because you like broadcasting, you see things a lot differently than the Average Joe...case in point....I was having lunch today with a number of people....someone at the table started a conversation about Buddy's show. One person said Yeah, I listen to 920 all the time...another remarked that he was going to give Dan Yorke a run for his money. I wish this was a lie; but it is not.....(They also mentioned in the same conversation that they wished they would switch the radio station that is piped in overhead as they can't stand the music on 93.3 or David Jones any more (It's been on Lite for over 6 months now)).
 
NOT atypical!

wknd92 said:
I was having lunch today with a number of people....someone at the table started a conversation about Buddy's show. One person said Yeah, I listen to 920 all the time...another remarked that he was going to give Dan Yorke a run for his money. I wish this was a lie; but it is not.....(They also mentioned in the same conversation that they wished they would switch the radio station that is piped in overhead as they can't stand the music on 93.3 or David Jones any more (It's been on Lite for over 6 months now)).
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I'm NOT making this up!

When I first got to WTOP/Washington in 1984, I commissioned focus groups.
How many focus groups?
Numerator: number-of-people-in-our-on-air-staff.
Denominator: how many chairs there were behind-the-mirror.

The PURPOSE of doing the focus groups was to expose the on-air talent to the-VERY-different-way "real people" hear radio.

And what an eye-and-ear-opener!

NO LIE: One participant -- screened as a P1! -- went on-and-on about how she LOVED listening to someone "just the other day" who hadn't worked at the station in YEARS.
 
OK..... perhaps listeners are a little dimmer than I had realized. But my point is that you don't need to be in Radio to realize when someone sucks. No matter if you are a Garabge man, a Doctor, A Lawyer or unemployed, many of us still share the same opinion as each other. Bad radio is still bad radio no matter what you do for work.
 
"YES! You are CORRECT, Sir!"

Skynet74 said:
my point is that you don't need to be in Radio to realize when someone sucks. Bad radio is still bad radio no matter what you do for work.
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In Phil Hartman-as-Ed McMahon-voice:
"YES! You are CORRECT, Sir!"

Listeners are off-like-a-prom-dress, if you're BORING THEM with self-centered "I," "I," "I," "ME," "ME," "ME;" or arcane blah blah blah about government process in-a-state-they-don't-live. Or if your day-in-day-out act creates the expectation that you're there to talk about what was in the newspaper.

And these aren't "Buddy issues."
They're symptomatic of an entire generation of Rush wanna-be's.

But, because Arbitron's diary-based unaided recall methodology is a memory test, you can STILL get credit if they know you.

"I listen to Buddy all the time" is the impression programming seeks to deposit in the listener's memory bank, regardless of their actual habit.

But doing-a-good-show-to-begin-with sure wouldn't hurt.
 
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Holland Cooke said:
But, because Arbitron's diary-based unaided recall methodology is a memory test, you can STILL get credit if they know you.
"I listen to Buddy all the time" is the impression programming seeks to deposit in the listener's memory bank, regardless of their actual habit.
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Holland:

Based on your observations and experience with the PPM in the markets where it's already been rolled out, what is your general idea of how it will (or will not) change the landscape here in good-ole Arbitron 39 by the time it finally arrives here in 2010?

I know it's tough to make predictions going out 2 plus years, but......
 
"And one more thing..."

One more item to add to my rant above...and this AQH suicide: the four-second pause.

I'm told that someone at Premiere told Glenn Beck to knock-it-off.
But EVERYWHERE I go, I hear local hosts...pausing...:04 or longer.

And they ALWAYS sound like-they're-trying-to-figure-out-what-to-say-next.
Which sure sends the wrong message.

But even that is less-dangerous than channel-surfers HEARING NOTHING.

Try this: Watch your watch for :04.
Picture someone driving, dispassionately pushing radio buttons.
Can you picture him-or-her sitting on :04 of dead air to THEN decide whether-to-stay-or-surf?
Dubious!
At home, PEOPLE ARE PACING IN FRONT OF THE MICROWAVE!

<< Based on your observations and experience with the PPM in the markets where it's already been rolled out, what is your general idea of how it will (or will not) change the landscape here in good-ole Arbitron 39 by the time it finally arrives here in 2010? >>

Admittedly, diary measurement is "the devil we know."
APPLAUSE to Arbitron.
They never stop working to make it better.

But diaries measure recall.
NOT THAT I'M COMPLAINING.
I, and others-who-do-what-I-do, and programmers who understand "the rules," make a good living playing-by-those-rules.

But PPM will be GREAT, for lots of reasons.
It reports actual listening.

I'll know more in December, after Arbitron's annual Consultant Fly-In conference.

Meantime, here are my notes from the August meeting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNU3l4GapXw):
http://members.aol.com/cookeh/ppm.pdf
 
On the PPM, my Mom has a number of senior citizen friends who leave the radio on for hours when they're not home so it appears someone is home. Ergo WLKW will own the market.

As far as John's comment about listeners being dim, I think it's more a matter of lack of interest. It's difficult to get non-radio people in a radio conversation & have it last more than 3 minutes. They just don't view the topic as anything to discuss in depth beyond their music tastes & the morning show they listen to.
 
Runrigger said:
On the PPM, my Mom has a number of senior citizen friends who leave the radio on for hours when they're not home so it appears someone is home. Ergo WLKW will own the market.
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I thought the PPM was intended to be worn on the person, or at least carried around, as someone might with a cell phone. So......while the table radio on the kitchen counter is in the home playing WLKW, wouldn't the PPM in the lady's handbag she's carrying with her at the mall not be recording anything?
 
PPM

It's got a motion detector.
Arbitron is testing-and-tweaking the bejeebers out of this; has been for years.
They're on-the-case.
Big tests in other countries, etc.
 
Yes...PPM is worn on the body, taken off at night and put in a dock (much like an Ipod dock) that is connected by a landline that Arbitron will install at their cost (as it goes currently) to report what was heard during the day. The problem is getting those who say they will do it to actually do it (from what I hear..Philly and Houston have had problems with certain demos) from the stories floating most trade articles about PPM.

Again, it's not that the general populace would have a different view, it is that those here have a higher than usual disposition to voice on something they don't like (partly maybe b/c of jealousy, past personal issues with topics of the thread, etc) as opposed to the general populace.
 
Yes I was just kidding on the WLKW thing. There are photos of all the components on the Arbitron website. Of course, with seniors who refuse to be dragged into the cell phone age I still think they'll leave the radio on at home when they're out & attached the unit to their dogs' collars.
 
wknd dont keep defending ur opinion lol... i totally agree with you i think his show has been good..... and alot of people around here were squakin before saying there wasnt enough local talk programming around this area.... now we have it..... i hope they keep it this way..
 
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