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I hear you on that, but I've also heard the war stories from relatives and friends of past spouses/significant others that hurled wild accusations (with self-inflicted injuries to "prove" them) when they felt jilted or were pissed for whatever reason. The injuries referred to in this case could easily be self-inflicted, save the bruise on the thigh/leg. If she's got a foot/shoe-shaped bruise there that fits Russ, that would be incredibly damning. If it's just a large bruise, to go along with hair ripped out and other contusions, it's not as clear-cut.
Just get the whole story, that's all I'm saying.
I'm new here and don't want people to get the impression I'm seeking to defend wife-beaters --- because I am NOT. I'm just a very large advocate of due process and getting the story straight before casting a public conviction on someone, as seems to be the case here, past experiences have made me extremely cautious and skeptical, especially when celebrities are involved.
Just get the whole story, that's all I'm saying.
I'm new here and don't want people to get the impression I'm seeking to defend wife-beaters --- because I am NOT. I'm just a very large advocate of due process and getting the story straight before casting a public conviction on someone, as seems to be the case here, past experiences have made me extremely cautious and skeptical, especially when celebrities are involved.
TXbornTXraised said:
Why don't you try comprehending the affidavit? You might find some answers to your questions -
The alledged offense happened and was reported to police on July 14th.
Request for orders for the arrest was signed on July 17th. Would you like to give the police time to investigate or do you really want them to run right out and slap the handcuffs on?
Ask Mr. Martin........the victim states the gun was used as intimidate her.
Research the behavior of domestic abuse victims
- Firstly, I drop my first contention ... the affidavit is clear, I overlooked the dates.
- If evidence is that cut-and-dried, and a perceived threat to a victim remains, it doesn't take three days to get a warrant.
- It's still a strange action, if it is described at all accurately. My first thought it is: Either he is neutralizing a weapon in order to keep himself from using it, or he is neutralizing it to protect himself.
- Systematic abuse victims generally do not work in a way consistent with the reported actions (the setting up an audio recorder and waiting in an area of the home where escape would be more difficult). I get that abuse victims often feel trapped by the abuser, but there's no history of violence working here. No record of injuries/hospitalizations ...
- If evidence is that cut-and-dried, and a perceived threat to a victim remains, it doesn't take three days to get a warrant.
- It's still a strange action, if it is described at all accurately. My first thought it is: Either he is neutralizing a weapon in order to keep himself from using it, or he is neutralizing it to protect himself.
- Systematic abuse victims generally do not work in a way consistent with the reported actions (the setting up an audio recorder and waiting in an area of the home where escape would be more difficult). I get that abuse victims often feel trapped by the abuser, but there's no history of violence working here. No record of injuries/hospitalizations ...
A no-contest plea with a stint in rehab followed by probation is the only way Russ can survive this professionally. The IRS is a whole 'nother issue.
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ISaidSo
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I can't believe that there is anyone trying to defend the actions of Russ. The fact that any of you would try and put blame on a woman who was hit, kicked, and had a gun waved at her is insane! Good lord, first the Russ super fans were sure it was a bit (That alone shows you what kind of guy people already think he is, a funny "Beat up my girlfriend" Bit!) Then, they were sure that everyone had it wrong and it could all be explained away, and finally, "Oh come on, she probably had it coming" or "She was also acting crazy" or my favorite: "He was just protecting her and himself by unloading the gun" The guy hit a woman, that is NEVER ok, in any situation. There is even a woman on this post talking about how it is the girl's fault because she didn't leave! Please people get some perspective.... This is not a radio bit, or just a show to entertain you, this is a punk who hits women. I hope CBS stands up and does the right thing.
I'm not defending him, IF these accusations are true he deserves the harshest sentence he can get.
I'm just saying there's some doubt in my mind, and I think there's much more to this story. You read an affidavit, a victim's statement --- that's it.
Let the chips fall and then cast judgment.
I'm just saying there's some doubt in my mind, and I think there's much more to this story. You read an affidavit, a victim's statement --- that's it.
Let the chips fall and then cast judgment.
If the information in the arrest warranty are true, Russ Martin needs serious damage control for his career and his personal life.
I've(female) been a RMS fan for ten years.
Hopefully, he will BEG for the mercy of his former fiance', the criminal courts and the court of public opinion. He needs to face all of this like a mature, responsible adult and please, dear god, do not try to play the victim in this.
Be a man, admit that there was NO excuse for domestic violence and show his audience that he can rise above this.
It just makes me ill to think that some of his on-air joking wasn't a bit.
I've(female) been a RMS fan for ten years.
Hopefully, he will BEG for the mercy of his former fiance', the criminal courts and the court of public opinion. He needs to face all of this like a mature, responsible adult and please, dear god, do not try to play the victim in this.
Be a man, admit that there was NO excuse for domestic violence and show his audience that he can rise above this.
It just makes me ill to think that some of his on-air joking wasn't a bit.
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DFDubya
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This is all great stuff - I'm eating it up...sorry Russ, by no sympathy here and no credit for doing a police charity all these years, perhaps based by an intuitive feeling on your part that something like this would eventually happen and you would skate out of it. Nuh Uh. Not this time.
This is just so emblematic of the crap that can come out of a pseudo-antiestablishment-rock-the-boat-tough-guy-attitudinally-laced-misogynistic-frat-boy-locker-room-everyman-just-one-of-the-guys-dumbass-faux-rebel-Stern-wannabe-and-couldn't type show that it defies definition other than that of overt parody.
There are three kinds of "talent" like Russ:
Those who know...
Those who don't know...and
Those who don't know they don't know.
Very little credit goes to the young female involved in this. While mercifully, she escaped his sick and twisted clutches alive, she wasn't smart enough to stay away from him in the first place. Sadly, her hottie friends won't be able to gain any insight from this episode. They were probably getting their boob jobs and didn't see the news.
Am I angry? Hell yes. When I have to see a wikipedia entry that uses RM's name in the same sentence as Ron Chapman, I want to puke.
This is just so emblematic of the crap that can come out of a pseudo-antiestablishment-rock-the-boat-tough-guy-attitudinally-laced-misogynistic-frat-boy-locker-room-everyman-just-one-of-the-guys-dumbass-faux-rebel-Stern-wannabe-and-couldn't type show that it defies definition other than that of overt parody.
There are three kinds of "talent" like Russ:
Those who know...
Those who don't know...and
Those who don't know they don't know.
Very little credit goes to the young female involved in this. While mercifully, she escaped his sick and twisted clutches alive, she wasn't smart enough to stay away from him in the first place. Sadly, her hottie friends won't be able to gain any insight from this episode. They were probably getting their boob jobs and didn't see the news.
Am I angry? Hell yes. When I have to see a wikipedia entry that uses RM's name in the same sentence as Ron Chapman, I want to puke.
TXbornTXraised said:
People make judgments based on the information at hand and whether that information seems credible. There may be more to the story, but a lot of people will read this and conclude him in some sort of wrong.
The one interesting thing in the warrant ... http://www.nbc5i.com/download/2008/0721/16947049.pdf ... is that, according to her, based on past behavior, she knew this was going to be bad when he got home and set-up a tape recorder to record it. If what happened is what was claimed and it is recorded, that will be hard to defend once it gets played in court. The warrant doesn't indicate what happened to the recording...
"Why set up a recorder and wait in an office ... given the alleged history, and how bad the abuse has been, why not just leave?"
OK, this is unkind, but sometimes a fact of life. A young woman latches onto an older well to do man only to find that her meal ticket is a beater so instead of walking away from her 3 year investment empty handed she goes about obtaining evidence so that she has a civil action. I don't know either of them and am only make a supposition here. You can call me a cynic, I'm probably right.
OK, this is unkind, but sometimes a fact of life. A young woman latches onto an older well to do man only to find that her meal ticket is a beater so instead of walking away from her 3 year investment empty handed she goes about obtaining evidence so that she has a civil action. I don't know either of them and am only make a supposition here. You can call me a cynic, I'm probably right.
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Dndsh237
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Splotchie said:
Because even though that is the logical thing to do (to just leave), she needs the evidence to back up her story if she plans on filing domestic abuse charges against Russ.
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vinylguy
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I have been listening to russ for along time,these things that have happened are not our business,just because these events were made public by news stations that werent even sure of the story to starty with !!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYONE HAS MARITAL PROBLEMS, maybe some of you who are being so judgemental should just mind your own business and you wont have time to mind russ"s!! RUSS IVE BEEN LISTENING to you for years and i 4 1 will remain a fan of you and 105, i ll keep on the cy ware for good luck ,keep it rockn THE VINYLGUY
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Dndsh237
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vinylguy said:
First of all, when anyone works in the public image, be it radio host, TV star, movie star, singer, etc... you surrender your rights to a lot of privacy.
Secondly, everyone has marital problems? So those people who have never gotten married in their life, have marital problems? Interesting logic...
The whole thing evidently started because the "victim" didn't call the IRS for Mr. Martin.
From past experience, the IRS will only talk to the person(s) whose social security numbers that are on file regarding past due taxes. She could have called the IRS all day long and they wouldn't have told her a thing about his issues with the IRS. They simply aren't allowed to speak with anyone else.
I've never understood why anyone will the money he purports to have thinks he can get away with anything from the IRS? When they speak, you better listen.
From past experience, the IRS will only talk to the person(s) whose social security numbers that are on file regarding past due taxes. She could have called the IRS all day long and they wouldn't have told her a thing about his issues with the IRS. They simply aren't allowed to speak with anyone else.
I've never understood why anyone will the money he purports to have thinks he can get away with anything from the IRS? When they speak, you better listen.
The affidavit states she said she was supposed to call to confirm a package/packet had been delivered on time, something an IRS office could certainly divulge. People use go-betweens/accountants all the time as it relates to taxes.
Why do you assume anyone was trying to "get away with anything"? If you've got so much experience dealing with the government, you know tax issues can come out of nowhere --- maybe Russ was being audited, we just don't know.
Why do you assume anyone was trying to "get away with anything"? If you've got so much experience dealing with the government, you know tax issues can come out of nowhere --- maybe Russ was being audited, we just don't know.
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Twinkle2
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Sorry Vinylguy but Marital Problems and Domestic Abuse are 2 totally different things.
Ask Mr. Martin........the victim states the gun was used as intimidate her.
Research the behavior of domestic abuse victims
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Battling it out here - without some folks truly understanding the characteristics of a batterer or the in depth dysfunction of the cycle of domestic abuse, is pointless.
Some of the comments here have been highly offensive such as, "if she (Amy) were a REAL woman she would have left...(or done this or that)." Women who are abused often feel they have zero options, or feel responsible, or that no one will believe or defend them if they do speak up. Children who are sexually abused or battered grow up thinking "if I were a better little girl or boy, daddy wouldn't drink, beat me or Mom, or visit my bed." A child can not reason beyond that if they do not have an adult they can confide in. The confidant then still has difficulty convincing the abused that they were NOT responsible. Anyone familiar with the Roman Catholic church priest scandals, the Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints cults, Sex offenders suspected in the numbers of missing children, even female (and male) teacher/sexual abuse of students...all topics of recent national news?
At one point, I lived in the maddness. On the outside, my family looked like a picture perfect family. I can't tell you how many times I tried to get help. It may have been that the rages we experienced were either too bizarre to be believed or people simply didn't know how to help. I turned on a tape recorder once to demonstrate I wasn't making it up.
As far as those who have said on this board that Russ may have been provoked. That sounds about as mature as something one of my children might say when being confronted with hitting a sibling in anger. "He made me do it." "She made me mad." My response? I can help if they bring me in to help BEFORE they strike out in retaliation. Once they lose self-control they BOTH are in trouble! No one can MAKE you do ANYTHING. There is a CHOICE you have to first come to. Batterers always blame their victims, feel justified and entitled.
I don't listen to Russ, never have. I can say that more often than not the words we speak do, in fact, give us a window to our hearts. Pretty is.. as pretty does (AND SAYS). If Russ was known for talking about throwing women down the stairs, for example, I would have reason to at least question or be concerned.
I am happy to say my expereinces have made me stronger (not as the Joker would say, "stranger" I hope.) We are free, indeed, from those crazy times. I hope this issue with Russ is resolved where all parties are able to get REAL help. I also hope the media does not sweep it under the rug and keep things status quo as is usually the case.
I apologize for the rant.
Research the behavior of domestic abuse victims
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Battling it out here - without some folks truly understanding the characteristics of a batterer or the in depth dysfunction of the cycle of domestic abuse, is pointless.
Some of the comments here have been highly offensive such as, "if she (Amy) were a REAL woman she would have left...(or done this or that)." Women who are abused often feel they have zero options, or feel responsible, or that no one will believe or defend them if they do speak up. Children who are sexually abused or battered grow up thinking "if I were a better little girl or boy, daddy wouldn't drink, beat me or Mom, or visit my bed." A child can not reason beyond that if they do not have an adult they can confide in. The confidant then still has difficulty convincing the abused that they were NOT responsible. Anyone familiar with the Roman Catholic church priest scandals, the Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints cults, Sex offenders suspected in the numbers of missing children, even female (and male) teacher/sexual abuse of students...all topics of recent national news?
At one point, I lived in the maddness. On the outside, my family looked like a picture perfect family. I can't tell you how many times I tried to get help. It may have been that the rages we experienced were either too bizarre to be believed or people simply didn't know how to help. I turned on a tape recorder once to demonstrate I wasn't making it up.
As far as those who have said on this board that Russ may have been provoked. That sounds about as mature as something one of my children might say when being confronted with hitting a sibling in anger. "He made me do it." "She made me mad." My response? I can help if they bring me in to help BEFORE they strike out in retaliation. Once they lose self-control they BOTH are in trouble! No one can MAKE you do ANYTHING. There is a CHOICE you have to first come to. Batterers always blame their victims, feel justified and entitled.
I don't listen to Russ, never have. I can say that more often than not the words we speak do, in fact, give us a window to our hearts. Pretty is.. as pretty does (AND SAYS). If Russ was known for talking about throwing women down the stairs, for example, I would have reason to at least question or be concerned.
I am happy to say my expereinces have made me stronger (not as the Joker would say, "stranger" I hope.) We are free, indeed, from those crazy times. I hope this issue with Russ is resolved where all parties are able to get REAL help. I also hope the media does not sweep it under the rug and keep things status quo as is usually the case.
I apologize for the rant.
In college, I took a couple of classes about domestic violence and I learned that many many women will not leave the place she is being abused until something so traumatic happens that she has no choice but to leave or something is damage or destroyed that cannot be hidden.
In this case, (if true) the moment of trauma was probably when he pulled the gun and and chamber a round or it could have been when he destroyed the laptop. Many many times woman can make things look like accidents until something is destroyed or damaged that belongs to someone else or it finally dawns on the victim that their life is about to come to a sudden end but until that moment of truth victims can deal with alot.
Also, she also had it in her subconscience that he will beat her and then do something that will make things better such as a ring or a marriage that she really really wants.
It is a very common practice for an abuser to abuse their victims and then buy them something to make things "all better".
If you look closely, this is not the first time something like this has happened.
In this case, (if true) the moment of trauma was probably when he pulled the gun and and chamber a round or it could have been when he destroyed the laptop. Many many times woman can make things look like accidents until something is destroyed or damaged that belongs to someone else or it finally dawns on the victim that their life is about to come to a sudden end but until that moment of truth victims can deal with alot.
Also, she also had it in her subconscience that he will beat her and then do something that will make things better such as a ring or a marriage that she really really wants.
It is a very common practice for an abuser to abuse their victims and then buy them something to make things "all better".
If you look closely, this is not the first time something like this has happened.
Care to elaborate?
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