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The future of Oldies

pirate stations

You mean other than they're illegal? Well, they also don't show up in Arbitron. Guess I'm kind of funny about being able to have ratings success, sell some airtime, recruit great talent--little things like that.


> What is the matter with being a Pirate station? (Assume not
> interfering with other stations).
>
> > You are required to have a license if you're LPFM. If
> > you're broadcasting low- power without an FCC license,
> > you're just another pirate station.
 
Re: Gen X Great ___ Hope

> I would have thought your generation would have spawned an
> entertaining, engaging personality who can capture an
> audience. . .well, maybe someday.
>
What, you don't like Ryan Seacrest ??? [:^D}
 
Re: first Oldies

> "Shake, Rattle & Roll" by Bill Haley & His Comets (1954)
> really was truly the first major rock & roll hit that
> mattered.
>
What about "Gee"-The Crows (1954?) --- OR -- "60 Minute Man"-The Dominos (1951??)
 
Re: pirate stations

I was not expecting that answer. Non profit (below 92.1FM) do not subscribe to ratings, so they do not show up either.

If a frequency is not being used, then someone without a license should be able to use it, unless he interferes with another station.

> You mean other than they're illegal? Well, they also don't
> show up in Arbitron. Guess I'm kind of funny about being
> able to have ratings success, sell some airtime, recruit
> great talent--little things like that.
>
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Re: first Oldies

Rock This Joint predates that, and it was a big hit.

> "Shake, Rattle & Roll" by Bill Haley & His Comets (1954)
> really was truly the first major rock & roll hit that
> mattered.
>
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first Oldies

No it wasn't- never even made the Top 40 charts, much less a "big hit".


> Rock This Joint predates that, and it was a big hit.
>
> > "Shake, Rattle & Roll" by Bill Haley & His Comets (1954)
> > really was truly the first major rock & roll hit that mattered.
> >
>
 
first Oldies

Now we're really talking pre-rock & roll era. Many would insist 1955 was
the first year- I mention the Bill Haley song as a true rock & roll hit that
did make top 10 late in '54.

> > "Shake, Rattle & Roll" by Bill Haley & His Comets (1954)
> > really was truly the first major rock & roll hit that mattered.
> >
> What about "Gee"-The Crows (1954?) --- OR -- "60 Minute
> Man"-The Dominos (1951??)
>
 
pirate stations

But that's a completely different topic. There's a difference between non-comm
frequencies (below 92.1) and pirate stations. You're saying that someone without a license "should be able to use it" but there's a major difference between should be able to and being legally licensed.

> I was not expecting that answer. Non profit (below 92.1FM)
> do not subscribe to ratings, so they do not show up either.
>
> If a frequency is not being used, then someone without a
> license should be able to use it, unless he interferes with
> another station.
>
> > You mean other than they're illegal? Well, they also
> don't show up in Arbitron. Guess I'm kind of funny about being
> > able to have ratings success, sell some airtime, recruit
> > great talent--little things like that.
> >
> >
>
 
Re: pirate stations

Aside from that, turning on your radio and saying "I don't hear anything" then firing up doesn't mean you won't interfere with an existing station.<P ID="signature">______________
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pirate stations

Totally agree.

> Aside from that, turning on your radio and saying "I don't
> hear anything" then firing up doesn't mean you won't
> interfere with an existing station.
>
 
Re: pirate stations

> Aside from that, turning on your radio and saying "I don't
> hear anything" then firing up doesn't mean you won't
> interfere with an existing station.

It depends on the transmitter's filtering system - a home brew unit most likely will be interfering with anything, but a NRG TX that has the correct filters will most likely not interfrere with any licesnsed stations (or police/fire/EMS etc).
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pirate stations

Illegal is still illegal, all the filters and other pirate radio b.s. notwithstanding.
>
> It depends on the transmitter's filtering system - a home
> brew unit most likely will be interfering with anything, but
> a NRG TX that has the correct filters will most likely not
> interfrere with any licesnsed stations (or police/fire/EMS
> etc).
>
 
Re: pirate stations

> You mean other than they're illegal? Well, they also don't
> show up in Arbitron. Guess I'm kind of funny about being
> able to have ratings success, sell some airtime, recruit
> great talent--little things like that.
>
>
> > What is the matter with being a Pirate station? (Assume
> not
> > interfering with other stations).
> >

Why the hell even have free speech if you don't have ratings, sell some airtime and rent a couple of media whores for 3 hours a day? You people are so 19th Century.
 
Re: pirate stations

> Aside from that, turning on your radio and saying "I don't
> hear anything" then firing up doesn't mean you won't
> interfere with an existing station.
>
Sounds like somebody has been reading the FCC website again.

Fact is, there are literally thousands of places where you can fire up a little 10 watt or 100 watt transmitter without violating any FCC interference rules.

Of course, there's that little matter of having a license. But there are a lot of unlicensed stations on the air that create no "objectionable interference" as defined by the FCC rules.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by am-fm on 09/09/05 08:55 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: pirate stations

> Totally agree.
>
> > Aside from that, turning on your radio and saying "I don't
>
> > hear anything" then firing up doesn't mean you won't
> > interfere with an existing station.
> >
>

Ditto, Rush. And thanks for calling.
 
Re: The future of Oldies????????

> My personal opinion is that stations could and should mix it
> up. take the decades 50's, 60's 70's and even some 80's pick
> a precentage of each and mix them right. I think a format
> like that with personalities could make a whole new
> marketable format.I would think the late 60's and seventies
> could be biggest share, then 80s and pre 67 a smaller share,
> then sprinkle in some of the 50's for spice. A bright sound,
> with up, local flavor personalities. We need to educate
> listeners what they are listening to, in regards to early
> stuff, most dont easily recognize it. It would hold the
> older demo for longer. And show where it all began.not group
> all 50s as gone, I bet most people, younger people,
> recognize Elvis, Chuck Berry ,Little Richard etc. not the
> sticky, gooey stuff some of the people did.What are your
> thoughts?????
>
I know a town where the average age is 53. Needless to say, they have an LPFM that plays only songs from 1950 to 1965. And it's got a good following in the "mainstream audience" there. Of course, some of the older mainstreamers want more Glenn Miller and authentic Dixieland instead of that hippie Perry Como stuff.
 
>
> Guess what Boomers, the rest of us don't want to hear your
> MOYL anymore and advertisers don't want to buy airtime on
> stations that play it. Get over it. Step aside and let the
> Gen-Xers have their time. When you were programming radio
> stations in the 80's and 90's you had no problem dumping
> formats that played 40 year old music. You knew back then
> that advertisers did not want to cater to the 55+ crowd.
> Nothing has changed.

Actually, that's not quite true. As we're living longer and staying active longer as a culture, fewer people are drying up and going away when they hit 55+. They're still driving, especially those damnable big cars and stupid RVs. And they're not brand loyal the way their parents were, thanks mostly to so many brands changing or going away completely.

The marketers who are really attuned to their target have started to discover that they sell more product when they include baby boomers to the mix. Something about lots of disposable income. Yeah, these perceptions change slowly. I'm certain the above quote about the marketability of unwanted old farts is being sincerely delivered. But it ain't true because it's based on old information.

> You are no different than previous
> generations. Why should your generation and your music be
> treated any differently?

No reason as long as somebody makes some bucks. But it you blow up a format just to piss off Dad, then it's time to rethink your position. Especially if Dad is still spending your inheritance money on consumer crap just because he saw it on the TV then heard about it on the radio.

Somebody will step up and take Daddy's mad money, even if radio doesn't get a piece of the action. Somebody's missing their plane with this mindset, and it smells a lot like 28 year-old media buyers.

That said, the culture of the young is a lot more entertaining when you're part of it than when you're past it, that's for sure.
 
> I think Rock This Joint by Bill Haley and The Saddlemen is
> the first rock and roll record. My wife thinks it is Rocket
> 88. Both are much older than the Little Richard song, which
> is a good song.
>
>
> > "The Girl Can't Help It" is from the 1957 movie of the
> same
> > name and didn't make the top 40.
> >
>
I don't care, I still love that song. Screw Bill Haley. Little Richard forever!
 
Re: pirate stations

Existing stations should be able to enforce their ownership rights and the right to not have interference.

They should at least be able to call the police to get an interfering party to cease any interference.

> Aside from that, turning on your radio and saying "I don't
> hear anything" then firing up doesn't mean you won't
> interfere with an existing station.
>
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Re: pirate stations

Sometimes laws are wrong. In this country, keeping people from freedom of speech is wrong. There are instances where the laws limit speech. Assuming no interference, anyone should be able to broadcast their opinions or music. Government ownership of the airwaves is Socialist and should not exist in this country.

> Illegal is still illegal, all the filters and other pirate
> radio b.s. notwithstanding.
> >
> > It depends on the transmitter's filtering system - a home
> > brew unit most likely will be interfering with anything,
> but
> > a NRG TX that has the correct filters will most likely not
>
> > interfrere with any licesnsed stations (or police/fire/EMS
>
> > etc).
> >
>
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