THE INTERNET....IS NOT.....RADIO!

[Starbucks]

How's this...let's call or categorize this as internet audio. I'm gonna ask you and everyone else on here, "What is your favorite internet audio station? The formats are operated like radio stations, but the delivery of the sound is not. So, I diagnose and close this thread post as " Internet Audio".

 

[deltas69]

sounds reasonable to me.. shameless self promotion will have me answer "CHUCK LUNDI'S ROCK BOX"... :

 

[bturner]

I'm in radio. I say we (internet stations and over the air stations) don't get to choose if internet is radio or not. It is the listener that decides what it is called.

This thread reminded me of living on the Texas/Mexico border. A bilingual person and I were talking about the name of a couple of towns with the same name: San Marcos. I agreed to the Spanish version of San Marcos as being correct for the town in Mexico but in Texas it was San Mahr'cuss. I said the 'Texas' version was correct for the Texas town by that name because that was what the locals called their town. The bilingual person said everyone in San Mahr'cuss was saying the town name incorrectly.

 

[Ai4i]

The answer to this question varies from century (the 20'th) to century (the 21'st).
I listen to radio with actual transmitters...operated by my wireless carrier.

 

[Tom Wells]

When wifi or cellular 3G coverage can skip, or I can use the same access point over 50 miles, I'll start to think it's maybe
"kinda" getting like to be like radio.

Or when a cellular provider "converts" the WHOLE AM and FM band in a wideband version in real-time to a portion of their bandwidth so it can be tuned on .53-1.7 mhz and 87-108 mhz with an actual radio, then it's radio.

Radio isn't really radio if it requires a clocking pulses and a CPU.

Real radio can work with only one diode and hi-z headphones as a complete receiver.

 

[hornet61]

call me crazy when i listen to live 365, it sounds like radio...........as a matter of fact damn good radio....better than anything on my car dial.

 

[Ai4i]

What we have here is what is known as the generation gap.

 

[hornet61]

... and internet is just as plain and predictable as terrestrial radio. Sad.

Absolutely NOT! There are a ton of internet stations playing music that is not available in my market, or indeed any market. As us old-timers fade slowly away so does our favorite music. The ONLY place to hear it is on the 'net.

amen...

 

[KeithE4]

What we have here is what is known as the generation gap.

Not necessarily. Even some old geezers like me are listening to radio stations over the internet. As was said earlier, my kind of music (jazz, blues, and pre-1975 oldies) are becoming hard to find using the old-fashioned methods of receiving aural entertainment (That's AM and FM, for those of you in Rio Linda).

And if I receive such programming on my smartphone, it is, by definition, "radio" because radio waves are required to at least get the stream from the cell site to my phone-with-radio-app. It may be wired Ethernet otherwise, but radio waves are involved.

That's not to say that radio-via-cellphone is perfect by any means. There will be dropouts when switching between cell sites. The stream takes a half-minute to connect each time. Like all things Internet, it is a two-way connection that must be properly negotiated between client and server. But these bugs will be worked out eventually, just like it is no longer necessary to manipulate 3 or 4 tuning dials to get an Ancient Modulation station, like it was in the 1920s with TRF receivers.

But a "generation gap?" Not really - more like a "Luddite gap." ;D

 

[deltas69]

That's AM and FM, for those of you in Rio Linda) nice touch ;D

 

[Tom Wells]

I think it dependa on how deeply you are into radio or computers as to whether they are or aren't the same.

To me, it's like saying " THE HAND....IS NOT.....A FOOT!"

Obviously a hand is NOT a foot, but it can be used that way.
Same sort of layout of structures, just specialized differently.

I love my internet, and it can bring me wonderful music and information, and the streams of radio stations.
But all of it is an elaborate "radio emulator". It neither tunes nor skips and expects me to pay a bill.
To me , it's not radio even if I AM using the wireless card in this laptop.

Radio always includes the remote possibility that some freak signal never heard before will be there.
Internet doesn't have the same sort of random happenstance.

Think I'm saying is that if you stand a little farther away from either technology, they may seem the same.
When you're real. real close to both technologies, they are SO remarkably different as make it seem insane that
one could think they could be interchangable.

They can support each other, but each has certain strengths.
Which strengths are of primary importance to a user makes a huge difference in whether
that user will see the technolgies as interchangable.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

Tom: I'm with you on this one. A Lexus and a used Yugo have a lot in common. 4 wheeled vehicles. Gasoline engine. Doors that open to let you in and out, that close to protect you from the wind, the rain, and something flying out of the cattle truck up ahead.

It will be a strange day indeed when I agree that 1 Lexus is equal to 1 Yugo.

The difference between those signals transmitted by a device licensed by the FCC as a so-called broadcast facility is not totally interchangeable with program audio from a telephone device or an IP based audio stream.

That being said, if a Lexus is not available to me, climbing into the Yugo beats walking in silence. Maybe.

For many of us when someone says they are listening to the radio, that statement has a very precise, narrow meaning. Some would argue that it could be interpreted as listening to taxi cab dispatching, or police dispatching or air traffic control. Many of us don't buy it. If I am listening to aircraft radio I will express it that way. And if the Internet is flowing through my computer and spilling out of the speakers, I will express that I am listening to...... streaming.

 

[Starbucks]

When wifi or cellular 3G coverage can skip, or I can use the same access point over 50 miles, I'll start to think it's maybe
"kinda" getting like to be like radio.

Or when a cellular provider "converts" the WHOLE AM and FM band in a wideband version in real-time to a portion of their bandwidth so it can be tuned on .53-1.7 mhz and 87-108 mhz with an actual radio, then it's radio.

Receiving a signal off of WIFI is a radio wave. 2.4 GHZ.

Radio isn't really radio if it requires a clocking pulses and a CPU.

It replaces the oscillator, modulator etc. and transmits the audio thru your wireless router at 2.4 GHZ only to receive it from an Internet receiver like a squeezebox, Grace unit, Sono, etc....your receiving awireless transmission, which is radio. Directly to your computer speakers ....it's Internet audio.

 

[quadraphonic]

Tom: I'm with you on this one. A Lexus and a used Yugo have a lot in common. 4 wheeled vehicles. Gasoline engine. Doors that open to let you in and out, that close to protect you from the wind, the rain, and something flying out of the cattle truck up ahead.

It will be a strange day indeed when I agree that 1 Lexus is equal to 1 Yugo.

But if you're talking about having pizza delivered, what difference does it make if they bring it in a Lexus or a Yugo?
The end result at your door is the same product. That's what the vast majority of people are interested in. They might comment about your delivery method if they see it in the driveway, but that's just small talk while you make change. Not many people even care HOW the pizza got there, just that it did, on time, when they wanted it.

Not specific to your post, but to most of the other ideas in this thread in general:
Most people in the marketplace, to whom the titling of products would be directed, aren't looking at "radio" from a "building, maintaining, and sustaining a product delivery system" standpoint, they look at it almost entirely from a "product reception" standpoint, like the usual "What do you offer ME?"


Plus, there are just the vagaries of the language, like the idea that people use the name of a similar original technology to refer to or name a newer technology. "Computers" have been "computers" with some variation since they filled a room and only did basic computations on rolls or punch cards. A "player piano" is still a piano, it just plays on its own. "Buggies" and "carriages" became "motorized carriages" and then "cars," but there was still "dune buggies" which was a throwback to the original term, but not the same product. All words change in some way over time.

I would love it if words meant the same exact thing to every person in all contexts and at all times, but they just don't. That's why men end up apologizing to their womenfolk a lot. There are some words that mean the same, explicit thing to most people, but "radio" isn't one of them.

 

[Ai4i]

Yes, to me, QRN, static has a very precise meaning, but most people today use it to describe any imperfections along the source-destination path, even where no radio link is involved.

 

[hornet61]

What we have here is what is known as the generation gap.

Not necessarily. Even some old geezers like me are listening to radio stations over the internet. As was said earlier, my kind of music (jazz, blues, and pre-1975 oldies) are becoming hard to find using the old-fashioned methods of receiving aural entertainment (That's AM and FM, for those of you in Rio Linda).

And if I receive such programming on my smartphone, it is, by definition, "radio" because radio waves are required to at least get the stream from the cell site to my phone-with-radio-app. It may be wired Ethernet otherwise, but radio waves are involved.

That's not to say that radio-via-cellphone is perfect by any means. There will be dropouts when switching between cell sites. The stream takes a half-minute to connect each time. Like all things Internet, it is a two-way connection that must be properly negotiated between client and server. But these bugs will be worked out eventually, just like it is no longer necessary to manipulate 3 or 4 tuning dials to get an Ancient Modulation station, like it was in the 1920s with TRF receivers.

But a "generation gap?" Not really - more like a "Luddite gap." ;D

amen and hallelujah !!!

 

[hornet61]

I think it dependa on how deeply you are into radio or computers as to whether they are or aren't the same.

To me, it's like saying " THE HAND....IS NOT.....A FOOT!"

Obviously a hand is NOT a foot, but it can be used that way.
Same sort of layout of structures, just specialized differently.

I love my internet, and it can bring me wonderful music and information, and the streams of radio stations.
But all of it is an elaborate "radio emulator". It neither tunes nor skips and expects me to pay a bill.
To me , it's not radio even if I AM using the wireless card in this laptop.

Radio always includes the remote possibility that some freak signal never heard before will be there.
Internet doesn't have the same sort of random happenstance.

Think I'm saying is that if you stand a little farther away from either technology, they may seem the same.
When you're real. real close to both technologies, they are SO remarkably different as make it seem insane that
one could think they could be interchangable.

They can support each other, but each has certain strengths.
Which strengths are of primary importance to a user makes a huge difference in whether
that user will see the technolgies as interchangable.

Tom: I'm with you on this one. A Lexus and a used Yugo have a lot in common. 4 wheeled vehicles. Gasoline engine. Doors that open to let you in and out, that close to protect you from the wind, the rain, and something flying out of the cattle truck up ahead.

It will be a strange day indeed when I agree that 1 Lexus is equal to 1 Yugo.

The difference between those signals transmitted by a device licensed by the FCC as a so-called broadcast facility is not totally interchangeable with program audio from a telephone device or an IP based audio stream.

That being said, if a Lexus is not available to me, climbing into the Yugo beats walking in silence. Maybe.

For many of us when someone says they are listening to the radio, that statement has a very precise, narrow meaning. Some would argue that it could be interpreted as listening to taxi cab dispatching, or police dispatching or air traffic control. Many of us don't buy it. If I am listening to aircraft radio I will express it that way. And if the Internet is flowing through my computer and spilling out of the speakers, I will express that I am listening to...... streaming.

back in 1956 my dad had this samll box( I'm not a technical guy, to this day I can't tell you how it works,it was an adimral, I believe), I would turn a knob and out came this nice voice saying that was Elvis Presley...today 2101 I have this small box (I have no clue how it works, Its a gateway) I click on a rodent and out comes a very nice voice saying that was Elvis Presley. This is all semantics...yugo and lexus both fall under the defiinition of a car...Broadcast is still Broadcast wheter it comes out of a admiral or a gateway.