OhioMediaWatch said:
OhioMediaWatch said:
If they're A, why are they doing B? Why can't they clear a show more in-line with their rest-of-the-day format?
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The Loose Canons on FSR.
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If they're A, why are they doing B? Why can't they clear a show more in-line with their rest-of-the-day format?
livingfruitvirus said:
WEOL has a heavy dose of sports play-by-play in the evenings and weekends, mainly from the nearby Cleveland teams, but also local high school fare. (Which mean on most nights, such dreck like The Loose Cannons and PMS is never aired.)
That dates waaaaaaay back to their old full-service format from the 50s until the late 90s. In any event, when they signed up with FSR as a replacement for AP All News Radio in July 2005 (when that network went belly-up) FSR's clock was still conducive to a TOH newscast. Obviously that's not the case now.
WEOL is far from the first station to do this, even in Northeast Ohio.
A LOT of small-medium market news/talkers carry the various sports play-by-play rights from Cleveland professional teams, or local HS/college PBP, and on days where there is no play-by-play, or after the games, FSR is compatible fill.
Think "before 7 PM/after 7 PM".
A LOT of small-medium market news/talkers carry the various sports play-by-play rights from Cleveland professional teams, or local HS/college PBP, and on days where there is no play-by-play, or after the games, FSR is compatible fill.
Think "before 7 PM/after 7 PM".
The current configuration of FSR, as basically an extension of KLAC/570 Los Angeles, is really mostly a bad L.A. sports station inflicted on the rest of the country. "Cannons" and "PMS" are the two biggest examples.
If you love the Lakers, you'll enjoy those two shows. Thankfully, Dan Patrick and Tony Bruno generally don't suffer from the L.A. Syndrome, at least on the air.
If you love the Lakers, you'll enjoy those two shows. Thankfully, Dan Patrick and Tony Bruno generally don't suffer from the L.A. Syndrome, at least on the air.
OhioMediaWatch said:
Dan Patrick is a east coast/midwest guy who broadcasts from NY. Bruno is also is a east coast guy, don't know where he broadcasts from.
Doesn't Tony broadcast from Philadelphia?
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the golden boy said:
Sometimes but mostly I believe he broadcast out of LA and does the Philly Show out of his LA Studio
nutballgazette said:
My impression was that Tony broadcasts out of LA - but IIRC, not at either KLAC or the Premiere Radio facility. And don't forget that Tony also co-hosts a half-hour segment on Gary Radnich's KNBR show in SF as well (also mostly via ISDN).
I do believe Tony is in L.A. Tony made his name in Philly (WIP/610) and co-hosts a local midday show on his Philly "Into the Night" affiliate (WPEN/97.5-950), but I'm pretty sure he does that from L.A. He moved there years ago to host an L.A. based show, IIRC.
But neither Tony nor DP are as bad in the "L.A." regard.
The 3-10 PM ET block on FSR may be the worst sports talk radio in the nation.
But neither Tony nor DP are as bad in the "L.A." regard.
The 3-10 PM ET block on FSR may be the worst sports talk radio in the nation.
Given that FSR merely distributes both shows (DirecTV owns and produces both Tony and DP) that unintentionally says something.OhioMediaWatch said:
I could understand the Lakers and Dodgers posturing and homer-ism if KLAC was the flagship of either team. But they aren't. The FSR-KLAC merger took place five weeks after the Lakers announced that they would bolt at the end of the 2009 season for KSPN, and KABC is the Dodgers flagship. So it makes their Grade-Z sports talk EVEN WORSE.
Aside from Tony and DP, the only other host on FSR worth bothering to listen to is Ben Maller - and he's usually stuck in the weekend overnight slot or thrown up against NFL games.
OhioMediaWatch said:
Out of that miserable roster (Steve Hartman, Pat O'Brien, Matt Smith, Vic Jacobs and Petro Papadakis) Petros is bar-none the worst sports talk host anywhere. His shouting voice alone, which I presume is his normal voice, can make anyone - even the meatheads on Cleveland's (default terrestrial) sports radio station - sound like a million bucks.
If and Matt are indeed "the future of sports radio" as PMS is billed as, then the Mayans were right about 2012... ;D
Pat O'Brien is dealt a bad, bad hand... if he was teamed up with Tony again for frequent segments a la Tony's original FSR morning show, it would work. "The Loose Cannons" right now, however, looks to be further punishment for his obvious off-the-screen antics.
OhioMediaWatch said:
Well, maybe the complaints got to Premiere Radio, because they just released a show clock just for Petros and Money.
00:00 Fox Sports News
01:00 LOCAL 4:00
05:00 Program segment one
26:00 NETWORK 1:00
27:00 Fox Sports News
28:00 LOCAL 4:00
32:00 Program segment two
43:00 NETWORK 1:00
44:00 LOCAL 4:00
48:00 Program segment three
58:00 NETWORK 2:00
All breaks are hard. No floats. http://engineering.premiereradio.com/xds jpg clocks/XDS Aff Fox Sports PMS.jpg
livingfruitvirus said:
If the complaints really got to Premiere/FSR, they'd can PMS, but that's another matter.
Do you know if they have the :05-start clock for Loose Cannons, too? That'd make sense for stations in ET that may still run news in the opening hole in PMD. PMS would, of course, cover PT stations in PM drive.
OhioMediaWatch said:livingfruitvirus said:
If the complaints really got to Premiere/FSR, they'd can PMS, but that's another matter.
Do you know if they have the :05-start clock for Loose Cannons, too? That'd make sense for stations in ET that may still run news in the opening hole in PMD. PMS would, of course, cover PT stations in PM drive.
From what I've deduced, "Loose Cannons" is covered by the main "Fox Sports Radio" clock (see here). The "Zack and Jack" show is covered under the "Fox Sports Radio Two" clock (see here).
Looks like those other two clocks haven't changed yet - they still are running under the :01-start time. Gotta love that West Coast favoritism that's so typical of FSR...
The only shows on Fox Sports Radio that have their own unique clocks are Dan Patrick (5:00 Network, 12:40 Local), Fox NFL Sunday (4:00 Network, 9:00 Local), the Pac-10 Crackback Show (6:00 Network, 9:00 Local), and now PMS. Zakk and Jack's show clock is the same as the rest of the network, but it gets different XDS cue names to separate itself from Stephen A. Smith's feed.
I'd mandate the PMS :05-start clock for the entire lineup (obviously not counting the other aforementioned unique clocks). Including - and ESPECIALLY - weekends.
But then again, I'm trying to think in a common-sense approach. It befuddles me as to why in the hell you would accommodate just PMS with a totally different clock from the rest of the network proper...
Oy. What a mess. :
But then again, I'm trying to think in a common-sense approach. It befuddles me as to why in the hell you would accommodate just PMS with a totally different clock from the rest of the network proper...
Oy. What a mess. :
While it's not technically Fox Sports Radio, Jim Rome's program begins at :00. I think it's nice that programs actually start early. If a station absolutely needs to throw local news, national news, traffic, and minutes worth of stuff at the top of the hour, then just DRR the show. It feels like wasted minutes for an FSR affiliate, as there's not much time available on the standard network clock compared to syndicated talk fare, which typicall gives 15:00 or more per hour of local avails. FSR just has 11:10 local minutes.
livingfruitvirus said:
That is a messy solution.
The problem here is that there are a lot of news/talk stations which run FSR after 7 PM on weekdays and all weekend, and many of them wish to run news at TOH. The aforementioned WEOL/930 Elyria and WHBC/1480 Canton are just two examples in our local area.
It just doesn't make a lot of sense to make the clock allowances only on FSR's PM drive Pacific show, that's all.
OhioMediaWatch said:
Plus those aforementioned small-town news/talkers don't carry Rome and have no interest in doing so.
If all of FSR's affiliates strictly operated as all-sports stations, then a :01-start clock is a great idea. I can't think of many ESPN Radio affiliates that are news/talkers, carrying the network on a part-time basis... so the network hasn't had to operate with clocks favorable to talk stations (allowing a TOH news update) for many, many years.
Face it, most of those small-town news/talkers in the Midwest pretty much are padding FSR's affiliate count as it is. Switching the clock to that :01-start time basically screwed all of those affiliates over. DVR'ing the first segment may sound like a good idea at first blush, but Lord knows how practical it is, and even with regard to automation equipment. (By sharp contrast, Talk Radio Network's new satellite receiver can allow for automatic DVRing, which cuts down on the need for re-feeding programs - perhaps Premiere should send receivers like those IMO.)
As it is, WHBC is forced to carry the one-minute TOH Fox News Radio cast at the TOH. Okay, I guess, but pretty stupid if you have a reputation for NEWS coverage and not blabber at the top of the hour. WEOL is forced to carry a one-minute ABC News cast during the first commercial spotload, varying between :15 and :18 past. Again, a pretty asinine arrangement if you ask me, and damaging to the station's credibility as a NEWS/TALKER with local and national news at the TOH.
Don Martin and Premiere brass clearly hasn't, nor will ever give, a flying paddoodle to FSR's non-sports radio affiliates, in a pointless quest to run a "SuperStation KLAC" instead. Simply changing the clock ONLY for the insufferable PMS won't solve a damn thing, and you and I know that.
If I were at WEOL or WHBC, I would just tear up their FSR contract in total disgust, and switch to running Talk Radio Network programming off the bird for evenings and weekends. Or even Sporting News Radio as a direct slap at the Premiere brass. It's obvious that FSR is clearly not wanting to work with those affiliates, so why bother?
If the news/talker wants to run TRN or syndicated networks I say go for it. I'd probably do the same. I'd see that FSR clock and think "Well THIS isn't very accommodating." TRN has a couple interesting shows on the weekends, but the spotload can be pretty ridiculous - up to 8 min/hour depending on the show. And the production quality of some of their shows is downright terrible.
I wonder why news/talkers tend to go with Fox Sports Radio over ESPN. My only assumption is ESPN is the first choice of clearance on whatever sports station exists.
Actually, Premiere Radio has had XDS Pro4-P receivers in place for 2 years now. Stations can use a web interface to schedule and delay program feeds. Citadel Media satellites use the XDS Pro4 recievers, which Talk Radio Network used to lease, but now their new receivers come from Dial Global.
I wonder why news/talkers tend to go with Fox Sports Radio over ESPN. My only assumption is ESPN is the first choice of clearance on whatever sports station exists.
Nathan Obral said:
Actually, Premiere Radio has had XDS Pro4-P receivers in place for 2 years now. Stations can use a web interface to schedule and delay program feeds. Citadel Media satellites use the XDS Pro4 recievers, which Talk Radio Network used to lease, but now their new receivers come from Dial Global.
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