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The New Party 105.3

mr. ric, you will NEVER hear anything but country from 290 and Hollister. This is KTWL/Hempstead. Enjoy. Henderson is trying to get this one upgraded, so you'll hear "Texas Mix" even clearer once that happens.

I was on the Peninsula yesterday, and can report that Party 105.3 is there, it is ID'ing as KPTY/Crystal Beach-Galveston at :30 and :00, and the signal is atrocious. Once you get on the ferry and cross to Galveston it is fading and unlistenable. Going to Winnie, it gets flaky as you head toward I-10. Definitely not 50kw, not sure if it's even at Pre-Ike strength.
 
The signal is at pre-ike levels. The new site has not even undergone a ground breaking yet. It is on the way though. What you guys are hearing is filler, nothing more, nothing less. Fulfilling license requirements.
 
That's what I figured, dragrage. Heard the same Ginuwine song twice in the same hour yesterday. I told my friend as we were riding, this was to keep the license active. No ads, no voices, only music and an ID every half an hour. Good music though. A lot of old school slow jams on this Party. So since this is filler, I guess we can expect a "new" 105.3 and not "Party" once the upgrade is complete...or should I just go ahead and say "La Nueva" 105.3?
 
Okay,

Would you guys really like to KNOW what is going on? Here it is... Party 93.3 was a major player in the Beaumont - Port Arthur area. They competed against and dominated Magic 102.5, the local R & B station. After 93.3 switched formats, Magic no longer had any competition and 93.3 lost one audience and gained another. Univision has decided that they can have both of these audiences in the Beaumont-Pt Arthur area and dominate Magic once again. Thus, we have Party 105.3. It is still in it's development stages. They are still waiting on the T1 line to be laid, thus the funky playlist, which by the way, has been running of an "I-POD"! So, if you live in the Beaumont-Port Arthur area, be patient, Party will be back VERY soon.
 
DJ Cross said:
Okay,

Would you guys really like to KNOW what is going on? Here it is... Party 93.3 was a major player in the Beaumont - Port Arthur area. They competed against and dominated Magic 102.5, the local R & B station. After 93.3 switched formats, Magic no longer had any competition and 93.3 lost one audience and gained another. Univision has decided that they can have both of these audiences in the Beaumont-Pt Arthur area and dominate Magic once again. Thus, we have Party 105.3. It is still in it's development stages. They are still waiting on the T1 line to be laid, thus the funky playlist, which by the way, has been running of an "I-POD"! So, if you live in the Beaumont-Port Arthur area, be patient, Party will be back VERY soon.


Oh great! ::)
 
The key words to remember are - they haven't broke ground yet. They have to find a landowner who will deal with them. Hopefully, they will just stay where they are now.
 
DJ Cross said:
Okay,

Would you guys really like to KNOW what is going on? Here it is... Party 93.3 was a major player in the Beaumont - Port Arthur area. They competed against and dominated Magic 102.5, the local R & B station. After 93.3 switched formats, Magic no longer had any competition and 93.3 lost one audience and gained another. Univision has decided that they can have both of these audiences in the Beaumont-Pt Arthur area and dominate Magic once again. Thus, we have Party 105.3. It is still in it's development stages. They are still waiting on the T1 line to be laid, thus the funky playlist, which by the way, has been running of an "I-POD"! So, if you live in the Beaumont-Port Arthur area, be patient, Party will be back VERY soon.

Welcome to the board, dj Cross. I'd like to address something you have written in your above statement. You state that 93.3 was dominating 102.5 in Beaumont, while as we all know it struggled competing with 97.9 here in Houston. This of course was due to the lack of penetratable signal here in the market. My question is this, what chance did you really give Party here in Houston? I mean, honestly. I know I don't speak alone on this subject, but you guys had a good format on Party, featuring old school jams that The Box won't seemingly touch mixed in with new music that kept the playlist fresh and on a level ground with 97.9. The problem was always the same with Party. You first placed it on 100.7 out of Winnie. Didn't work there because of signal limitations, so it went to 104.9. Now this worked out very well for those in the City limits, but not so much for places like Conroe, Jersey Village, etc. So, an idea came about to increase the power of 104.9 and move its COL to Deer Park. The new signal for 104.9 reaches way in to the north now, stopping just north of Conroe, or Prairie View depending on what road you are on going north bound. This new strength should have put 104.9 on a level playing field with The Box but instead Univision pulls the format off of 104.9 for a format named "Amor" that didn't last a month and moved Party to Port Arthur's KQBU, a signal that has no chance of ever being a player in this market. Ever. Instead of moving Party back to 104.9 once "Amor" was yanked, they morphed the format into "Tu Musica" a format readily available at two other dial settings. All the while, those here in Houston looking for a Hip Hop fix are left to gather the scraps that 97.9 slings all over their airwaves. Now, Houston has been given up on and Party tries to target B/PA and knock KTCX off of it's #1 perch that it has occupied for a long time. Again, I pose the question what chance did you really give Party here in Houston? Given the mix of old and new school music that Party had the reputation for, dare I say, had it had a legitimate Houston signal such as the improved KAMA, or even Galveston's KOVE which has darn good coverage of Hou-Galv. I believe it could have taken The Box out back and paddled a little hiney. So, I close with the question on several people's minds here in the city, what chance did you really give Party here in Houston? The three formats that have followed Party on 104.9 and 93.3 have been a "smashing success" if the ratings for either are any indication.

I wholehearted hope to hear back from you, as I'm sure others are. You obviously are in the know within Univision, and I'd like to hear what the thought process is for these past moves within the Houston cluster.

..and I mean no disrespect to our main Univision board dweller, but I'd like to hear from someone else within Univision that's not going to put the consultant "spin" on it. Just the truth, please. I wait with baited anticipation.
 
purpledevil said:
DJ Cross said:
Okay,

Would you guys really like to KNOW what is going on? Here it is... Party 93.3 was a major player in the Beaumont - Port Arthur area. They competed against and dominated Magic 102.5, the local R & B station. After 93.3 switched formats, Magic no longer had any competition and 93.3 lost one audience and gained another. Univision has decided that they can have both of these audiences in the Beaumont-Pt Arthur area and dominate Magic once again. Thus, we have Party 105.3. It is still in it's development stages. They are still waiting on the T1 line to be laid, thus the funky playlist, which by the way, has been running of an "I-POD"! So, if you live in the Beaumont-Port Arthur area, be patient, Party will be back VERY soon.

Welcome to the board, dj Cross. I'd like to address something you have written in your above statement. You state that 93.3 was dominating 102.5 in Beaumont, while as we all know it struggled competing with 97.9 here in Houston. This of course was due to the lack of penetratable signal here in the market. My question is this, what chance did you really give Party here in Houston? I mean, honestly. I know I don't speak alone on this subject, but you guys had a good format on Party, featuring old school jams that The Box won't seemingly touch mixed in with new music that kept the playlist fresh and on a level ground with 97.9. The problem was always the same with Party. You first placed it on 100.7 out of Winnie. Didn't work there because of signal limitations, so it went to 104.9. Now this worked out very well for those in the City limits, but not so much for places like Conroe, Jersey Village, etc. So, an idea came about to increase the power of 104.9 and move its COL to Deer Park. The new signal for 104.9 reaches way in to the north now, stopping just north of Conroe, or Prairie View depending on what road you are on going north bound. This new strength should have put 104.9 on a level playing field with The Box but instead Univision pulls the format off of 104.9 for a format named "Amor" that didn't last a month and moved Party to Port Arthur's KQBU, a signal that has no chance of ever being a player in this market. Ever. Instead of moving Party back to 104.9 once "Amor" was yanked, they morphed the format into "Tu Musica" a format readily available at two other dial settings. All the while, those here in Houston looking for a Hip Hop fix are left to gather the scraps that 97.9 slings all over their airwaves. Now, Houston has been given up on and Party tries to target B/PA and knock KTCX off of it's #1 perch that it has occupied for a long time. Again, I pose the question what chance did you really give Party here in Houston? Given the mix of old and new school music that Party had the reputation for, dare I say, had it had a legitimate Houston signal such as the improved KAMA, or even Galveston's KOVE which has darn good coverage of Hou-Galv. I believe it could have taken The Box out back and paddled a little hiney. So, I close with the question on several people's minds here in the city, what chance did you really give Party here in Houston? The three formats that have followed Party on 104.9 and 93.3 have been a "smashing success" if the ratings for either are any indication.

I wholehearted hope to hear back from you, as I'm sure others are. You obviously are in the know within Univision, and I'd like to hear what the thought process is for these past moves within the Houston cluster.

..and I mean no disrespect to our main Univision board dweller, but I'd like to hear from someone else within Univision that's not going to put the consultant "spin" on it. Just the truth, please. I wait with baited anticipation.

Purpledevil, i couldn't agree with you more. Im waiting on the answer myself too now...
 
purpledevil said:
The problem was always the same with Party. You first placed it on 100.7 out of Winnie. Didn't work there because of signal limitations, so it went to 104.9. Now this worked out very well for those in the City limits, but not so much for places like Conroe, Jersey Village, etc. So, an idea came about to increase the power of 104.9 and move its COL to Deer Park. The new signal for 104.9 reaches way in to the north now, stopping just north of Conroe, or Prairie View depending on what road you are on going north bound. This new strength should have put 104.9 on a level playing field with The Box but instead Univision pulls the format off of 104.9 for a format named "Amor" that didn't last a month and moved Party to Port Arthur's KQBU, a signal that has no chance of ever being a player in this market.

Clarification... the 93.3 signal is better than the 100.7 signal. You seem preoccupied with the city of license, yet transmitters for most stations are not even in the city of license. What's important is the transmitter site, the power and the height.

104.9 phased out the "Amor" name in favor of "104.9 Tu Música" as the name was restrictive... the format didn't change, it just evolved as all stations do over time.

Instead of moving Party back to 104.9 once "Amor" was yanked, they morphed the format into "Tu Musica" a format readily available at two other dial settings.

"Amor" was not "yanked" but it simply evolved as stations like KLOL and KQQK made changes that created a nice position for the specific blend on 104.9.... which is doing really, really well for a lower powered facility.

Again, I pose the question what chance did you really give Party here in Houston?

Of course, Univsion is principally a Spanish language operator, and they now cover regional Mexican, talk/entertainment, adult hits and Hot AC on the four FMs in Spanish. In fact, of just under 24 Spanish language 18-49 shares, Univision has over 14 while the other FMs have under 9 shares and the remaining AMs have insignificant showings in the core Hispanic sales demo.
 
Ah yes, the spin. In my experiences with both the signals at 100.7 and 93.3, penetration into the Houston market is about the same. They both have fading signals here and there. Somedays one is worth than the other, other days it is in reverse.

I am extremely preoccupied with community...that's community of license. I wish that your company and others like it were as preoccupied with the community...that's community of license. That says something to me, Mr. Eduardo. All the years in the business, and you're not occupied with serving the COL your stations are licensed to? I know, I know, there's no money in Deer Park, or Winnie, or Rosenberg, etc. Gotta target Houston where the advertising is, I get that, but how about instead of doing the same news stories that all other 63 stations in Houston are doing, why not give the news from your specific COL? I mean if a plant blows up in Deer Park, shouldn't Deer Park be the first to know?

In all of your response, you gave my question no answer. What chance did you ever really give Party here in Houston? You are primarily a Spanish language operator. And? There are many English language operators that cater to other languages in this country. The primary one being Spanish, but what does this matter? The majority of your listening audience for Party was Hispanic. There are many people in this city of Latin descent that don't speak Spanish, or use Spanish as a second language. Do those Latinos not matter to you?

You state to us that Amor was not yanked...simply evolved. My question is again, why didn't Party get a chance on the new 104.9 signal?
Instead there are now 3 stations (KQQK,KLOL,KAMA) that rotate the same basic playlist, all the while Latinos, Whites, and Blacks are left with only one place to go for Hip Hop in this town. You indicate that KAMA has really good ratings for a low power facility. Don't you think Party would have had a chance at good ratings on that same signal considering it only had 1 competitor as opposed to the 2 that KAMA has? OK. There are my questions laid out again. Since the dj has obviously shut the turntables off on this discussion, please spin away.
 
purpledevil said:
Ah yes, the spin. In my experiences with both the signals at 100.7 and 93.3, penetration into the Houston market is about the same. They both have fading signals here and there. Somedays one is worth than the other, other days it is in reverse.

100.7 was sold, and not 93.3 because 93.3 has the slightly better signal.

I am extremely preoccupied with community...that's community of license. I wish that your company and others like it were as preoccupied with the community...that's community of license.

You are way off base. Reread, please. I said that the city of license has nothing to do with coverage, and a pretty significant majority of cases, going back to the 20's, station transmitters have not been inside the city of license. This is because the ideal location for most facilities is not in the city of license... it may be on a hill or mountain near the city or at an antenna farm in the case of FM or in an area of low and moist soil or perhaps where the directional will put most power over the city in the case of AM.

As I said, what is important (for coverage) on FM is the transmitter location, the power and the height. Not the COL.

That says something to me, Mr. Eduardo. All the years in the business, and you're not occupied with serving the COL your stations are licensed to? I know, I know, there's no money in Deer Park, or Winnie, or Rosenberg, etc.

When the FCC required ascertainment of community leaders to file for a license or to get each 3-year term renewal, broadcasters had to interview representative leaders from the community, not the city of license. When I did an application for a new FM for Chesapeake, VA, in 1970, I spoke with leaders in Norfold, Newport News, Virgina Beach, Portsmouth and various communities in North Carolina to the south of the Tidewater area... that was the community. When I organized on behalf of the San Juan Broadcasters Ascertainment Committee the interviews in a group setting for 8 stations in the San Juan metro, we spoke with leaders from Carolina, San Juan, Bayamon, Guaynabo, Cataño, Rio Piedras and other municipalities, as those, collectively, were the community we served.

While the city of license must have certain signal coverage minimums met, the community of service is a much broader concept. And it has been for many, many, many decades.

The FCC has allowed studios to be outside the city of license since the 40's or 50's, and at a location other than the COL or transmitter site since the 60's.

Gotta target Houston where the advertising is, I get that, but how about instead of doing the same news stories that all other 63 stations in Houston are doing, why not give the news from your specific COL? I mean if a plant blows up in Deer Park, shouldn't Deer Park be the first to know?

What guarantees that the station licensed to Deer Park is going to have the most listeners in Deer Park? If there are 40 signals covering that town, any of them could conceivably be getting more listeners there. Signals, unlike your mentality, do not stop at arbitrary township borders.

In all of your response, you gave my question no answer. What chance did you ever really give Party here in Houston? You are primarily a Spanish language operator. And?

The station was upgraded in facility from 100.7, and had a significant programming and promotion budget. But when the PPM "arrived" the shrinkage of both Black and Spanish language station shares changed the dynamcs of the market. And the result is a better performing group of stations, with improved shares among them.

There are many English language operators that cater to other languages in this country. The primary one being Spanish, but what does this matter? The majority of your listening audience for Party was Hispanic. There are many people in this city of Latin descent that don't speak Spanish, or use Spanish as a second language. Do those Latinos not matter to you?

Party tended to be a "no color line" station and often had as much or more non-Hispanic cume as Hispanic. But the core of the company, including its Internet, Radio, TV, Cable and related divisions, is Spanish language information and entertainment.

You state to us that Amor was not yanked...simply evolved. My question is again, why didn't Party get a chance on the new 104.9 signal?

The AC/Hot AC (it's simply called "pop" in Spanish) was on 104.9 long before the upgrade went on the air.

Instead there are now 3 stations (KQQK,KLOL,KAMA) that rotate the same basic playlist,

AC and Hot AC and Classic Hits have overlapping playlists, yet nobody would be as disingenuous as to say that those formats were the same. The three Spanish language pop variants have considerable differences... as the listeners who use them can clearly tell you.
 
Effective now, the concept of "Serving the public trust" has been deleted from all FCC requirements regarding broadcast radio.
Just ask the remaining 12-55 market that can't afford internet and a $20 music player.
S-379?
 
Ok. I tried to beat around the bush, but that didn't work so I'll be more forward. After 50 years in the business, you should know that a COL is a "Community of License" not a "City of License". There is no such thing as a "City of License", only a "Community of License" abbreviated "COL". It is no wonder why we are having this argument in the first place. That long in the business, and no clue as to what a COL is. No wonder communities aren't being served.

I don't mean to be disrespectful in any way, but that is ridiculous.
 
purpledevil said:
Ok. I tried to beat around the bush, but that didn't work so I'll be more forward. After 50 years in the business, you should know that a COL is a "Community of License" not a "City of License".

Au contraire. The broadening of the term "city of license" to "community of license" is due to the fact that stations may be licensed to cities, towns, townships, municipalities and even "places" (the administrative law basis for this came from the Humble, NM, application about 40 years ago when Humble was unincorporated and had no post office). So the broad term "community" is applied to the place a station is licensed to. The original FCC rules, and documents such as the earliest FM tables of allocations, referred to "cities" where stations might be licensed.

But as far as service is concerned, "community" (sans "of license") the "community" is the primary service area, incuding cities, towns, suburbs, townships and even rural areas or unincorporated places within the service area. When proactive ascertainment was required (such as including an appendix in each 3-year renewal application), applications would be returned or found lacking if just the COL (city or community at your option... they mean the same thing in that context) were ascertained. While the term was never used, anyone who had to file a license renewal (and I did too many of them...) knew that "community ascertainment" did not mean talking to leaders just in the place named on the station instrument of authorization.

Stations do, and must, serve the areas they cover with primary signals. There is no way to separate Hialeah from Miami, Pasadena from Los Angeles, Parma from Cleveland, Cicero from Chicago, etc., etc. And that is why the FCC does not look for just service to the place / community / city / jurisdiction the station is licensed to, but for service to the primary coverage area.

There is no such thing as a "City of License", only a "Community of License" abbreviated "COL".

The earliest FCC rules, and those well into thre 50's, used "city" and "community" simultaneously or with the same meaning. In references to the license, and even in those involving station IDs, the reference was simply to "location" (3.406 in the rules in force in 1948, for example).

In any case, you are confusing the use of "community" as in today's ID requirements (which in most cases is also the incorporated city of licnese) and the "community" that is served, which is much broader than the location the station is licensed to.

For example, "Los Angeles" is KFI's city of license (since Los Angles is a city) but all of LA, Orange, Ventura counties and much of Riverside and San Bernardino counties are community served.

It is no wonder why we are having this argument in the first place. That long in the business, and no clue as to what a COL is. No wonder communities aren't being served.

Communities are being served. And the community, city, town or jurisdiction of license is usually one of the components of the service-based community.

A classic case would be WIVV, Vieques, PR, which throughout the 60's and 70's broadcast entirely in English from the island Municipality of Vieques, PR. (PR has no cities, no towns, no communities... just Municiplalities). However, during that period, it is provable that not one English dominant person permanently resided in the Municipality of Vieques. However, in the community of service, which consisted mostly of the US Virgin Islands, English was widely spoken. While licensed to Vieques, the community of service was broader and the station served it, although in this case it gave absolutely no service to the place it was licensed to. During those years, the staiton went through 7 or 8 3-year renewals and did the required ascertainment... and, in fact, was given many awards and recognitions for its community service. Again, the community of service was not the location of license, where probably nobody listened due to language.

I don't mean to be disrespectful in any way, but that is ridiculous.

When you are able to talk about doing ascertainment and understand the differences in the service community and the strict location of the license, then you get a certain amount of credibility in this issue. As evidenced by your post, you don't understand what area has to be served and what a station is licensed to.

By the way, the link below contains the FCC rules in force for almost every year over a near-50-year span, including the years when extensive community ascertainment was a requirement (and where "community" meant service area, not the license location).
 
You posted "City of License" in your earlier post. Maybe it WAS a City of License in the 50's & 60's, but last I looked at the calendar it is 2009. I can't differenciate what you type and what you "meant" on a computer screen. Secondly, if the FCC is concerned with service to a station's primary coverage area, then please explain KQBU to me. It's primary coverage area is the Triangle, is licensed to Port Arthur, and yet targets Houston where the signal is abysmal at best. I know these next two are not in your company's portfolio, but KFNC and KHJK both fall into the same category as KQBU, targetting a major metro, where the signal does not have city grade coverage over said metro. If you meant Community of License then that is what you should have typed. Third, after all of this...my initial question has yet to be answered. What chance was really given for Party to compete with The Box on a level playing field with a comparable signal to that of The Box? If you can't answer that question, just indicate so. You don't have to continue the diversion. Houston listeners that selected Party for their listening pleasure over the last decade deserve a straight answer. Or maybe not. Perhaps we should all just keep taking it up the wazoo. I don't know what else to add. Radio continues to suffer....and you consultants wonder why.

The more I think about it...hell, give Party to Beaumont. They need it, after all of the stations Houston has stolen from them over the years.
 
purpledevil said:
You posted "City of License" in your earlier post. Maybe it WAS a City of License in the 50's & 60's, but last I looked at the calendar it is 2009. I can't differenciate what you type and what you "meant" on a computer screen.

No, you you did not get the point. The only reason that some "cities" of license are "communities" is that not all "locations" (a term used by the FCC) are actually cities. The issue is that now, a station can be licensed to an incorporated city, an unincorporated rural area (again, see the Humble, NM, case for the administrative law decision). Most metro area stations are licenced to cities, so the point is pretty much moot.


Secondly, if the FCC is concerned with service to a station's primary coverage area, then please explain KQBU to me. It's primary coverage area is the Triangle, is licensed to Port Arthur, and yet targets Houston where the signal is abysmal at best.

KQBU targets Hispanics. It has a more of a signal in Houston's MSA and more Hispanics are covered there than elsewhere.

As an example, KTJM, which operates from essentially an identical facility, gets an average or around a 3 share in both the Beaumont / Port Arthur and the Houston markets. But that share is produced by around 14,000 cumers in the Beaumont MSA and nearly 600,000 persons in the Houston MSA. Who do you think is the principal audience?

New York City has full B's licensed to Newark, Paterson and Lake Success. Do you think that WPAT, WKTU and WHTZ serve only the city of license (all three locations are incorporated cities) when the 60 dbu signal of each reaches over 15 million persons?

The term "community" in a license is used to include all forms of population centers... incorporated or not. The term, as used in operations and license renewal and ascertainment covers the areas where the station has a good signal and the segment of that area that the station has chosen to focus on, by age, ethnicity and other considerations.

I know these next two are not in your company's portfolio, but KFNC and KHJK both fall into the same category as KQBU, targetting a major metro, where the signal does not have city grade coverage over said metro.

The 70 dbu of KHJK covers two full counties of the Houston MSA with a 70 dbu, and a good portion of Harris itself. KFNC misses half of Orange County, but covers two Houston metro counties well, and pieces of several others.

If you meant Community of License then that is what you should have typed.

Even such respected sources as BIA call the place where a station is located "City of License" because in so few cases are stations licensed to unincorporated "communities." Oh, and of course, "city" is a shorter column header.

Third, after all of this...my initial question has yet to be answered. What chance was really given for Party to compete with The Box on a level playing field with a comparable signal to that of The Box?

Well, since the owner has no comparable facilities they could have tried that on, we will never know.
 
Does this station have a stream or something? I'm trying to recieve them via radiotime but the stream comes up in spanish.
 
d21ofnj said:
Does this station have a stream or something? I'm trying to recieve them via radiotime but the stream comes up in spanish.

If you are talking about KPTY, no they dont have one yet. Univision streams KQBU on that channel.
 
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