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The "Oldie" Debate

michael hagerty said:
Not even close.

The first big smooth jazz record---11 years before there was a radio format (hey, they needed time to build a library) was George Benson's "Breezin'":

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One of my favorites. I heard it in a cafeteria, asked about their music, and was given the wrong information because Muzak had an 800 number and I was told it was Bob James. Huh? He plays keyboard. Earl Klugh plays guitar. Who was on flute then? I forget when I first found out who it was, but this song has been on America's Best Music a lot, at least when I was still listening.
michael hagerty said:
...and that was only the first by virtue of making the charts, because George ripped off composer Gabor Szabo's 1971 original pretty much note for note:


Both Szabo and Benson were jazz artists, not soft rockers. And we can trace the line back even before '71---to much of Vince Guaraldi's material from the middle 60s and Stan Getz' collaborations with Charlie Byrd, Joao Gilberto and Antonio Carlos Jobim, which takes us back to 1962.
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I like Stan Getz and recently discovered who Jobim is. And I like him. Not that familiar with the others.
 
AbrahamJSimpson said:
from my focus group šŸ˜‚ Gen Z calls anything pre approximately 2010 an oldie, and thatā€™s if theyā€™re being polite enough not to use more colorful language.

Good lord old heads, understand your ā€œdefinitionsā€ have zero relevance today.
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www.insider.com

Meet the teens running fan pages for 2000s TV shows that aired when they were babies

Gen Z teens are running TikTok and Instagram fan pages for TV shows that aired in the 2000s. They say modern TV shows "try too hard."
www.insider.com www.insider.com

Even on the TV side I seen this article from the past year that early 2000's shows are becoming classic TV shows. But then again we are looking at this from the angle of GenZ. Sure its hard for me to accept that but I can see where they are coming from though. I was going to guess the median age for these classic tv shows would be 40 at first given that the early 2000's shows was originally meant to attract an audience that was born between 1979-1986 when these early 2000's shows were first released and the audience within these birth years were in High School and College at the time.
 
DavidEduardo said:
The format later called Smooth Jazz began as a new age format at The Wave in LA. As people tired of a Yanni cuts seemingly every 45 minutes along with tunes that included "wind chimes" in the credits, it moved to light jazz in the Kenny G and Dave Koz style.

Those of us who spent years playing Coleman and Coltrane and Dizzy and Brubeck did not see it as pure jazz, but it certainly had some roots... if any... in lighter "Sunday Brunch" jazz styles.
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Now I used to think of smooth jazz as a bad thing because I hated Kenny G and Dave Koz. There was one Yanni song I discovered I liked.

Brubeck's "Take Five", on the other hand ...:cool:
 
vchimpanzee said:
Now I used to think of smooth jazz as a bad thing because I hated Kenny G and Dave Koz. There was one Yanni song I discovered I liked.

Brubeck's "Take Five", on the other hand ...:cool:
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/Trivia mode on

Totally off track, but I heard Brubeck live at John Carroll University in Cleveland in 1961. He did Take Five and made a 15 minute piece out of it, with his own solo as well as ones by Desmond and Morello. And they did a great version of Blue Rondo with a terrific jam in the middle, too.

Both of those were from the first jazz album ever to sell over a million copies.

/Trivia Mode Off
 
Wicked-arse discussion!
Merely some observations here about those stinking labels and badges, if I may

I don't give a flying one what the genre is called. Give me HOOKS. Toss me some Mozart. Sling me out some Screaming Trees. Stagecoach me some Don Gibson. Have taxis drop me off at the intersections of Oscar Peterson & Billie Holiday, or at Itzhak Perlman & Ornette Coleman. Let me snort some Three Dog Night and get sand in my ears from the Beach Boys, or let me inhale those bus fumes from the corner of The Chiffons and Dion and the Belmonts. Lock me in the elevator of a 70-story building and play me some Frank Chacksfield or Jackie Gleason Orchestra.......

Thanks to the pre-mentioned Napster and Lime Wire and other sources, legit or otherwise, I've got enough music for a No-Repeat Retirement now, me being in that 55+ demo (in fact, I'm even older than 55 +). For those tolerant of classifications, there are Standards here, and early 90's Grunge, Chicken Rock, AoR's Country Rock, Bossa Nova/Bacharach, 50's crossover pop, Ed Zeppelin-era rock, Classical, late 60's C&W. There's even a file folder where all of that delightful racket is bundled all together ......

The last great American pop-songwriters to me were Lionel Richie and Dan Fogelberg. Your mileage definitely will vary, :) ........

I haven't read yet about Beautiful Music in this thread ; my oversight if that's the case. But when I started hearing things on WPAT like 'Thriller' by the Longine's Symphonette Orchestra or 'We're An American Band' by the Billion and One Tubas, that ended the magic for me. Gimme the previous stuff, please. If radio can't, or won't, then 'harrumph'. I have enough of the real stuff for a pacifier ......

Oldies / schmoldies.

You've provided some great points to ponder there, gang! Terrific summaries of eras and styles and predispositions and accord and memories, and well, communications based on music. For many of us, that's what this terminal radio addiction was always what communications was all about, eh?
 
Steve Green NEPA said:
There's even a file folder where all of that delightful racket is bundled all together ......
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If I did the same thing there would be a lot of variety. I have a few cassettes and some of my parents' old LPs, mostly Christmas music, if I could play them. But I haven't actually created my own collection.


There may be some overlap between those, and the master list for each has been expanded. Someone told me how to link to each list as it stands now, and in a way that allows me to keep updating, but I don't recall the details about how.

There needs to be one for country too.
 
It reminds me of the use of the word "Alternative", during the 1990s when what had been Alternative in the 1980s had become predominantly mainstream. Yet the moniker "Alternative" stuck, because radio used it to identify a format, and because, hey, it sounds cooler and edgier than the term "Mainstream", right?

Yeah, I know it's a big deal maybe on TikTok, but TikTok'ers seem to be mostly GenZ and GenY, so they're naturally going to have a different perspective. To them, Katy Perry, Pitbull and Keisha are "oldies". And don't forget Taio Cruz.
 
Steve Green NEPA said:
Wicked-arse discussion!
Merely some observations here about those stinking labels and badges, if I may

I don't give a flying one what the genre is called. Give me HOOKS. Toss me some Mozart. Sling me out some Screaming Trees. Stagecoach me some Don Gibson. Have taxis drop me off at the intersections of Oscar Peterson & Billie Holiday, or at Itzhak Perlman & Ornette Coleman. Let me snort some Three Dog Night and get sand in my ears from the Beach Boys, or let me inhale those bus fumes from the corner of The Chiffons and Dion and the Belmonts. Lock me in the elevator of a 70-story building and play me some Frank Chacksfield or Jackie Gleason Orchestra.......

Thanks to the pre-mentioned Napster and Lime Wire and other sources, legit or otherwise, I've got enough music for a No-Repeat Retirement now, me being in that 55+ demo (in fact, I'm even older than 55 +). For those tolerant of classifications, there are Standards here, and early 90's Grunge, Chicken Rock, AoR's Country Rock, Bossa Nova/Bacharach, 50's crossover pop, Ed Zeppelin-era rock, Classical, late 60's C&W. There's even a file folder where all of that delightful racket is bundled all together ......

The last great American pop-songwriters to me were Lionel Richie and Dan Fogelberg. Your mileage definitely will vary, :) ........

I haven't read yet about Beautiful Music in this thread ; my oversight if that's the case. But when I started hearing things on WPAT like 'Thriller' by the Longine's Symphonette Orchestra or 'We're An American Band' by the Billion and One Tubas, that ended the magic for me. Gimme the previous stuff, please. If radio can't, or won't, then 'harrumph'. I have enough of the real stuff for a pacifier ......

Oldies / schmoldies.

You've provided some great points to ponder there, gang! Terrific summaries of eras and styles and predispositions and accord and memories, and well, communications based on music. For many of us, that's what this terminal radio addiction was always what communications was all about, eh?
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Ed Zeppelin?
 
semoochie said:
Ed Zeppelin?
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Bill Zepplelin's brother. Together, they formed the short-lived band called "Dirigible". They did the hard rock version of "Up Up and Away" that briefly rose on the charts, but quickly plummeted.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Bill Zepplelin's brother. Together, they formed the short-lived band called "Dirigible". They did the hard rock version of "Up Up and Away" that briefly rose on the charts, but quickly plummeted.
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Dirigible recorded for the Blimp Records label, owned by Bill and Ed's brother, Ted Zeppelin. After "Up, Up, and Away" crashed and burned, they sold the label to Goodyear. šŸ˜‚
 
KeithE4 said:
Dirigible recorded for the Blimp Records label, owned by Bill and Ed's brother, Ted Zeppelin. After "Up, Up, and Away" crashed and burned, they sold the label to Goodyear. šŸ˜‚
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The use of flammable hydrogen - instead of helium - is the expected cause of the crash.......;)
 
boombox4 said:
It reminds me of the use of the word "Alternative", during the 1990s when what had been Alternative in the 1980s had become predominantly mainstream. Yet the moniker "Alternative" stuck, because radio used it to identify a format, and because, hey, it sounds cooler and edgier than the term "Mainstream", right?

Yeah, I know it's a big deal maybe on TikTok, but TikTok'ers seem to be mostly GenZ and GenY, so they're naturally going to have a different perspective. To them, Katy Perry, Pitbull and Keisha are "oldies". And don't forget Taio Cruz.
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Those three artists still get airtime (as gold tracks) on Chrs though.
 
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