I've heard a vp-8 that sounded pretty darn good.ANY good audio man can get a good sound out of a processor.Different strokes for different folks.Think about it...Heck, i'm running a 8100A/Ariane on a Classic Hits and literally LOVE the sound.Processing is subjective as we all know.I've had clients like a sound,i thought sucked.Really we take this stuff too seriously sometimes.Never had a listener call up and say"i love that 6EXI,DSP_X,Vorsis,Orban,etc. Get the big picture?????
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The Omnia.One: I was wrong about it
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everydayguy said:
Interesting how many in this group make some pretty verbose claims, so I enjoy taking them to task. All I did was point out how a Vorsis user went back to a better box. Also pointing out how a direct A/B comparison of one company's top of the line box could not beat out the other company's low cost box. Sure repositions Vorsis, and not in a good way either.
Kinda funny...ten years or so ago, Omnia came on the scene, and the Orban guys bashed Omnia. Then Omnia cleans Orban's clock, becomes the market leader, and now they have to defend themselves from a wannabee company that hasn't done much.
I know this is all subjective, but when these guys come on the scene, make wild claims, can't back them up, yet others defend them, I'm going to point that out.
PaulyBoy said:
OK, what "hard evidence" do you have to defuse these claims? Have you ever been able to compare the following boxes, at the same time via composite switching, into the same transmitter & antenna system, with the same source material and measured on an Audemat Navigator Modulation Analyzer
Optimod 8500
Optimod 8400
Optimod 8200
Omnia 6exi
Omnia 5EX
Omnia 3 Turbo
Omnia.FM
Omnia ONE
Vorsis AP-1000
Vorsis AP-2000
Vorsis FM-2000
Vorsis VP-8
Well, I have, more than once. I also have an AP-2000, DSP-X, Optimod 8100, Ariane Sequel, Ariane analog, Unity 2000, Omnia 3 Turbo, Omnia ONE, VP-8 and DSP-XMini, Mod Sciences CP-803 & Hnat Hindes CompRoc 2 composite clippers in my home lab with a QEI-691 modulation analyzer and Belar Wizard (with a Bext and BW exciter into either a dummy load or Jampro JLCP antenna) to test... not to mention the 8500 and Omnia 6exi I take care of every day (on the FM) and the two 9400's on the AM's, plus the VP-8 AM and Audemat 2/4 processors I have set up in the past year... not to mention the presets I have built for two stations using Aphex 2020 Mk III's. I've heard them all and spent many many many hours understanding each box. I think I am more than qualified to make a call about one particular box.
Thank you.
You're welcome. Please see the earlier thread comparing testifyin' vs braggin' 
Wait till next week. We will be discussing the relative merits of Windows vs OS X as operating systems for computers. Stay tuned.
littlejohn said:You're welcome. Please see the earlier thread comparing testifyin' vs braggin'
This is not about testifying or bragging, this is about someone attacking a certain product where the example was what he heard in a competitors booth on a trade show floor vs many weeks spent with that product in real world situations.
I'm not saying the Vorsis stuff is 100% perfect, but it is very very far from being bad.
Mike Erickson
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Pauly Boy, who are you? Stop hiding behind a handle
Office: 718-707-4041
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Pauly Boy, who are you? Stop hiding behind a handle
I've always heard good things about the CompRoc. Care to share your experience with the CompRoc? I have a mic maze by Hnat and hindes that works much better than most mic processors. Hnat and Hindes had some neat stuff. Your "lab" sounds like a great place to spend some time on a rainy day! Of course, with fresh brewed coffee that is!
wgliradio said:
fm-engineer said:
The CompRoc is pretty good if you use it within reason. The high speed limiter out front gets spongy quick, and is best suited with the Ultramod 2000 (which I need to fix). For interface with any other processor, the front end should be defeated
If you drive the clippers so they just ever so slightly peak (which indicates 2bd of clipping) you should be fine.
Careful monitoring of pilot injection stability will tell you when you have gone too far and need to back off. It's cool that the unit has 2 composite outputs for one composite in, which makes it a good choice for stations with only one processor split between two transmitters.
PaulyBoy said:
As an RF system contractor I've installed nearly a hundred big and small Vorsis here in Canada.
Did you know that with Vorsis processors you can unlock the factory presets, alter them, and then "factory" relock them again without a casual observer ever knowing it? I sometimes have to do this to protect certain kinds of customers from themselves so to me that makes the outcome of an A/B comparison at NAB moot.
Omnia used to have Orban processors in their displays back before Omnia became the top dog. So now there's a Vorsis in their display instead of an Orban? That tells me that each time I order another Vorsis for my customers I'm doing the right thing because Omnia has shown me that the Vorsis gear is good enough now to have them worrried!
PaulyBoy said:
Beat how? Did they have a transmitter in the display with a working and calibrated modulation monitor or analyzer as calibrated by the manufacturer? Did they have a Vorsis expert to counter the Omnia experts to set the processors? Was there a Vorsis manual? Could they prove both were being fed not only the same audio, but that both processors had the same level of headroom from whatever distribution system they used? Could you listen to source and processed audio via an audio switch? Was the Vorsis set level wise as per factory instructions? Were the internal stages properly set so that one stage wasn't over driving another? Were the playing prepackaged audio or were users allowed to sample their own audio? What type of monitors were used?
I wouldn't take anything from a box racked up in a competitors display. I remember seeing an 8500 in the rack with an Aphex 2020 at the Aphex display at NAB.... somehow the 8500 never sounded "right". Then again, neither did the 2020, so in that case it was a wash.
If you want to see what any of these boxes do, demo them, put them on the air. The NAB show floor is not the place to get critical about actual use, especially in a competitors booth. But most people who actually know processing know that already, right?
I remember hearing a "sample" of 8400 audio in the BGS/Telos booth back at NAB Philly in 2003. The sample sounded awful, yet I've worked with an 8400 and never got it anywhere as bad as that unless I totally cranked it.
To answer your question, Mike -
I personally wired up both units.
I altered nothing on the Vorsis, and both had the exact same program source. The units fed a Belar Wizard mod monitor so you can compare the two, the same audio path, and open & unlocked to anyone to adjust either processor as they wished. Nothing was hidden. No transmitter was used there -- folks were listening to the composite outputs of both processors.
Anyone familiar with the Vorsis could have come in at any point, and tweak away. Some folks familiar with both units were impressed with the Omnia.One.
I'm not saying this to start a pissing match...I try really hard to not get into that...I'm just answering your questions.
The Belar wizard is what Mark Manolio and I use to evaluate our own processing back at the factory, so it is a known good unit.
I have no idea who or how the test was set up that you heard, but I set up the Vorsis / Omnia.One demo / display, so I am able to tell you about that one.
-C
I personally wired up both units.
I altered nothing on the Vorsis, and both had the exact same program source. The units fed a Belar Wizard mod monitor so you can compare the two, the same audio path, and open & unlocked to anyone to adjust either processor as they wished. Nothing was hidden. No transmitter was used there -- folks were listening to the composite outputs of both processors.
Anyone familiar with the Vorsis could have come in at any point, and tweak away. Some folks familiar with both units were impressed with the Omnia.One.
I'm not saying this to start a pissing match...I try really hard to not get into that...I'm just answering your questions.
The Belar wizard is what Mark Manolio and I use to evaluate our own processing back at the factory, so it is a known good unit.
I have no idea who or how the test was set up that you heard, but I set up the Vorsis / Omnia.One demo / display, so I am able to tell you about that one.
-C
wgliradio said:
One word describes this whole discussion: subjective.
The thing that's clear though through all of this is Omnia has found a real winner in the Omnia One. Small market radio has found something that approaches major market processing at a price that's affordable. Who would have thought several years ago that a decent processor could be bought for 3k?
The thing that's clear though through all of this is Omnia has found a real winner in the Omnia One. Small market radio has found something that approaches major market processing at a price that's affordable. Who would have thought several years ago that a decent processor could be bought for 3k?
cgould said:
My point is that the show floor is not a place to make fact based final decisions. "Omnia ONE sounded good... let's demo it and see". I can't say I ever made up my mind by looking at something on the show floor.
I demo'ed an AGC after hearing it on the floor at NAB 08... Junger Level Magic. It sounded very transparet on the floor... on the other side of the coin, when used in a real world situation, it either made itself too audible or not effective enough when in an airchain in a working studio
I can appreciate where you are coming from, and would advise that to anyone -- and I do!
Get boxes out and try for yourself! This demo was built on feedback that people gave *us* when they did this same test in their facility while demoing a bunch of processors.
It was suggested to us to try the same thing to see if they did something wrong, or if the Omnia.One really does outperform the competitors top of the line. I was surprised and tried & verified the same thing in our lab.
This was something we couldn't pass up! Who could? I know *you* would have done the same thing if you were in my position, and had a mighty "little" processor you were proud of blow the pants off of something!
We've talked enough off-list that I can tell you have a competitive streak in you like that too
What you need to do, Mike, is to take a breath before typing. If you review what you posted earlier, you will see that this was not the point you were making. You went off and posted a lot of things that did not make this point at all. While you may be in a battle with this PaulyBoy person, you questioned this PaulyBoy person about the methods and procedures about something I created as if he had something to do with it.
So, I chimed in and answered. To my eye, you seemed to imply I cheated on the demo.
Regards,
-C
Get boxes out and try for yourself! This demo was built on feedback that people gave *us* when they did this same test in their facility while demoing a bunch of processors.
It was suggested to us to try the same thing to see if they did something wrong, or if the Omnia.One really does outperform the competitors top of the line. I was surprised and tried & verified the same thing in our lab.
This was something we couldn't pass up! Who could? I know *you* would have done the same thing if you were in my position, and had a mighty "little" processor you were proud of blow the pants off of something!
We've talked enough off-list that I can tell you have a competitive streak in you like that too
What you need to do, Mike, is to take a breath before typing. If you review what you posted earlier, you will see that this was not the point you were making. You went off and posted a lot of things that did not make this point at all. While you may be in a battle with this PaulyBoy person, you questioned this PaulyBoy person about the methods and procedures about something I created as if he had something to do with it.
So, I chimed in and answered. To my eye, you seemed to imply I cheated on the demo.
Regards,
-C
wgliradio said:
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