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The sad truth about Air America

Re: Bemused!

>
> About all I can think of is that I took him to task for
> complaining that he couldn't get a radio job because of some
> vast, left-wing conspiracy.
> >
First, I never said there was any conspiracy!

As for my media experience:

I interned as a newsreader for an AM outlet about 40 miles south of Rochester before my senior year.

I also interned in the sports department of ABC-TV's Rochester affilate
during my senior year.

I have also written for several weekly papers, including one near NYC.

I briefly hosted a Monday night call-in show on a so-called "community" FM station in the early 1990s.

I was canned after four shows, because the station manager told me, in so many words, that I'm a conservative!

> As far as your experiences in media are concerned, your own
> statements indicate YOU DON'T HAVE ANY.

Be very careful what you say!


>
>
 
Re: and the point of this string?

> >
> >
> What is your source on that? Has your source, if you have
> one, seen their books? Soros and others have a legal
> right to invest their money in any way they wish. Free
> enterprise system. I still don't understand your beef. AA
> is a legitimate company - doing nothing immoral or illegal.
>
I've got two words for you: Gloria Wise.

As for sources, they're out there.

You're too damn lazy to look for yourself or to examine it honestly!
>
> > If you don't like it, fold it five ways and shove it!
>
> Sorry, I have arthritis.
>
In your case, that shouldn't stop you from trying!
 
Re: And we don't just run AAR

> You either don't know what you're talking about, despite the
> fact that you've been in this business for years, or you are
> a liar!

Neither.

> I have heard Levin call Ann Coulter a (w)itch.

Which places him in a very well populated group. It's not possible to listen to or read Ms. Coulter's irrational, paranoid rant without concluding she's either deliberately playing a cartoon conservative to get airtime and sell books, or in need of strong medication.

> I have heard him say to callers with opposing views, "you're
> full of crap."

Have you heard some of the callers? He's remarkably tolerant of stubborn people who rant on, and when someone drives him to that stage (a response far milder than what you'd hear from a Savage or a Grant) it's invariably someone who would have exhausted the patience of St. Francis of Assisi.

> I have also heard him someone have wrote a letter to the D
> and C's op-ed section with that he didn't like a
> "******bag."

Huh? Syntax/meaning unclear here. Did he supposedly have someone else write a letter, did he write one himself, was he commenting about someone else, or did he just say he wanted to see someone write to tell someone else off? It isn't clear from what you've posted.

> I could give you more examples, but that would like be
> wasting my time explaining Einstein's theory of relativity
> to a dog.

My dog, God rest his soul, would have understood all of this far better than many of those in power today (or many of those who support them). But isolated comments provoked by some of today's irrational agents provocateurs who enjoy creating on-air mischief with a telephone, hardly prove a thing.

> I contributed some material from industry web sites
> depicting Air America's plight, and you, Dampier, and the
> like have nothing better to do than to personally attack
> those with whom you differ and laud those who actions are,
> at best, questionable.

Trouble is, those sites don't have anything remotely approaching reliable and solid sourcing. Let's see what happens once the principals in this story lay their cards on the table, rather than depending on a couple of bloggers who use each other for confirmation.

> Did you know that, this morning, your hero talked about the
> arrest of the musician Yanni on a charge of domestic abuse
> stemming from an alleged incident with his girlfriend? He
> follwed his remarks with a clip from one of Yanni's tunes
> with the sound of a man hitting a woman in the background.

Which is one pungent way of satirizing Yanni's hypocrisy, and that was the intended message. It's humor designed to make a point about the phoniness of people who proclaim love while practicing abuse. Point made, IMHO. Guess you didn't get it.

> P.S.: Lonsberry and Savage are not "shock jocks."
>
> They are talk-show hosts.
>
Sorry, Larry King is a talk show host. Wease and Chet Walker are talk show hosts. I'm one. Lonsberry and Savage are shock jocks. I know you really know the difference.
 
Re: Bemused!

> >
> > About all I can think of is that I took him to task for
> > complaining that he couldn't get a radio job because of
> some
> > vast, left-wing conspiracy.
> > >
> First, I never said there was any conspiracy!

OK, so that was a slight exageration. What you did say was:

I tried getting into media right after I got my degree years ago, and I "played by the rules," as was suggested by those on the inside.

No luck.

Face it: if you don't know the right people, or if those in power don't take a shine to you, forget it!


Most of us in radio had similar experiences, then kept trying until we DID get a job.

> As for my media experience:
>
> I interned as a newsreader for an AM outlet about 40 miles
> south of Rochester before my senior year.
>
> I also interned in the sports department of ABC-TV's
> Rochester affilate
> during my senior year.
>
> I have also written for several weekly papers, including one
> near NYC.
>
> I briefly hosted a Monday night call-in show on a so-called
> "community" FM station in the early 1990s.
>
> I was canned after four shows, because the station manager
> told me, in so many words, that I'm a conservative!

Ah, there's the vast, left-wing conspiracy. I knew it was around somewhere.

> > As far as your experiences in media are concerned, your
> own
> > statements indicate YOU DON'T HAVE ANY.
>

Well, now that you have added more information, I guess we can say that you don't have any professional broadcast experience, and have some experience writing for unspecified weekly newspapers. Do they have a Pennysaver near NYC?

> Be very careful what you say!

Actually, I thought I was being pretty reasonable whilst hoisting you with your own petard.
 
Children, Children......
If you don't stop fighting we'll have to seperate you!
 
Re: Bemused!

> >
> > As for my media experience:
> >
> > I interned as a newsreader for an AM outlet about 40 miles
>
> > south of Rochester before my senior year.
> >
> > I also interned in the sports department of ABC-TV's
> > Rochester affilate
> > during my senior year.
> >
> > I have also written for several weekly papers, including
> one
> > near NYC.
> >
> > I briefly hosted a Monday night call-in show on a
> so-called
> > "community" FM station in the early 1990s.
> >
> > I was canned after four shows, because the station manager
>
> > told me, in so many words, that I'm a conservative!
>
> Ah, there's the vast, left-wing conspiracy. I knew it was
> around somewhere.
>
> > > As far as your experiences in media are concerned, your
> > own
> > > statements indicate YOU DON'T HAVE ANY.
> >
>
> Well, now that you have added more information, I guess we
> can say that you don't have any professional broadcast
> experience, and have some experience writing for unspecified
> weekly newspapers. Do they have a Pennysaver near NYC?
>
That publication was not a pennysaver!

It was a general audience weekly publication, a newspaper, in Oragne County!
>
I had also worked for two weekly newspapers near Rochester during a five-year span. Much of that time was spent as a freelancer!

All the while, I busted my --- trying to get into radio!

Eventually, I had to get a 40-hour job to pay my bills!

So you lied when you said I have no professional media experience.

Consider yourself lucky that your tantrums are being made in a web forum, and not somewhere more traditional.
 
Re: And we don't just run AAR

> > You either don't know what you're talking about, despite
> the
> > fact that you've been in this business for years, or you
> are
> > a liar!
>
> Neither.
>
Don't kid youreslf!

> > I have heard Levin call Ann Coulter a (w)itch.
>
> Which places him in a very well populated group. It's not
> possible to listen to or read Ms. Coulter's irrational,
> paranoid rant without concluding she's either deliberately
> playing a cartoon conservative to get airtime and sell
> books, or in need of strong medication.
>
It's not possible for you, because your a left-winger who can't stand someone who isn't afraid to tell it as it is, not someone who sugar-coats things and plays by your rules.

Your type selects "conseratives" you find easy to bully around.

But, when a Coulter strikes back, you (w)itch and moan, and cry foul.

> > I have heard him say to callers with opposing views,
> "you're full of crap."
>
> Have you heard some of the callers? He's remarkably tolerant
> of stubborn people who rant on, and when someone drives him
> to that stage (a response far milder than what you'd hear
> from a Savage or a Grant) it's invariably someone who would
> have exhausted the patience of St. Francis of Assisi.

"You're living in dream time!"
-- Hall and Oates

> I have also heard him someone have wrote a letter to the D
and C's op-ed section with that he didn't like a
> > "******bag."
>
> Huh? Syntax/meaning unclear here. Did he supposedly have
> someone else write a letter, did he write one himself, was
> he commenting about someone else, or did he just say he
> wanted to see someone write to tell someone else off? It
> isn't clear from what you've posted.
>
Let's clear it up: someone wrote to Gannett. Levin didn't like the letter.
He called the writer a ******bag.

You know damn well what I said.

> > I could give you more examples, but that would like be
> > wasting my time explaining Einstein's theory of relativity
> > to a dog.
>
> My dog, God rest his soul, would have understood all of this
> far better than many of those in power today (or many of
> those who support them). But isolated comments provoked by
> some of today's irrational agents provocateurs who enjoy
> creating on-air mischief with a telephone, hardly prove a
> thing.
>
Then, talk to your dog!

> > I contributed some material from industry web sites
> > depicting Air America's plight, and you, Dampier, and the
> > like have nothing better to do than to personally attack
> > those with whom you differ and laud those who actions are,
> > at best, questionable.
>
> Trouble is, those sites don't have anything remotely
> approaching reliable and solid sourcing. Let's see what
> happens once the principals in this story lay their cards on
> the table, rather than depending on a couple of bloggers who
> use each other for confirmation.
>

> > Did you know that, this morning, your hero talked about
> the arrest of the musician Yanni on a charge of domestic abuse
> > stemming from an alleged incident with his girlfriend? He
> > follwed his remarks with a clip from one of Yanni's tunes
> > with the sound of a man hitting a woman in the background.
>
>
> Which is one pungent way of satirizing Yanni's hypocrisy,
> and that was the intended message. It's humor designed to
> make a point about the phoniness of people who proclaim love
> while practicing abuse. Point made, IMHO. Guess you didn't
> get it.
>
I got it.

Levin has been verbally abusing people who disagree with him for years.

Go ahead. Keep kissing Levin's ring.

> > P.S.: Lonsberry and Savage are not "shock jocks."
> >
> > They are talk-show hosts.
> >
> Sorry, Larry King is a talk show host.

Larry King is a bootlicker.

Wease and Chet Walker are talk show hosts.

You might be half-right.

I'm one.

One who doesn't pull in numbers, because you bore most listeners to tears!

Unless you've forgotten, talk-radio is an entertainment genre. The hosts give opinions in an entertaining fashion. Some of them of them are passionate in their views, and some present their views with music and/or humor.

People don't tune into talk stations to hear a lesson from a college professor.

Lonsberry and Savage are shock jocks.

I'm no huge Lonsberry fan, but why don't YOU tell HIM that he's a shock jock to HIS face?
 
> Children, Children......
> If you don't stop fighting we'll have to seperate you!
>
Fighting?

Sounds more like a gang-bang to me!

I simply related my experiences in this forumand share what some in the industry have reported.

Unfortunately, Dampier, Smith and Roxalot don't like what's being said.

I'm simply defending myself.

Please tell the aforementioned parties to cease and desist.

Thanks.
 
Tantrums?

> So you lied when you said I have no professional media
> experience.

Hopefully, you're a more precise writer than you are a reader. I said:

> > Well, now that you have added more information, I guess we
> > can say that you don't have any professional broadcast experience


Note the word broadcast. Thanks for a slightly more complete description of your other media experience.

> All the while, I busted my --- trying to get into radio!

Hey, this is a new age. How about putting your demo up on a website so PDs all over WNY can evaluate your talent and approach. I hear WBEN is looking for a weekender to replace Jim Majors.

> Consider yourself lucky that your tantrums are being made in
> a web forum, and not somewhere more traditional.

Tantrums??? Perhaps you can show me exactly what you consider to be a "tantrum". Otherwise, I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Is it a threat? Should I be alarmed?
 
Re: Tantrums?

> This whole war started when you, Dampier and Smith started attacking me for providing information from sources other than "mainstream" sources fromwhich you parrot the party line.

I've been trying to get into the business since the late-1980s.

You questioned my experience.

This may come as as hock to you, but, in order to have work in most fields, you have to have experience, and vice-versa.

Internships, apparently mean little, if anything to you.

You get work any way you can, you elitist.

You can criticize me for my job-hunting experiences, my views on issues and my actual on-air experience.

Fine.

I would have absolutely no problem exposing people like you when I do go on-air.

For your sake, and for that of your aforementioned allies, I suggest you stop right now.
 
Tantric

> I would have absolutely no problem exposing people like you
> when I do go on-air.
>
> For your sake, and for that of your aforementioned allies, I
> suggest you stop right now.

Well, gee, since I'm in BROADCASTING, I wouldn't want to be exposed, now, would I?

But, I'll stop. This conversation has gone beyond silly.

Let me know when you get work so I can tune in.
 
Re: Tantric

> Let me know when you get work so I can tune in.

At the rate things are going, that will be:

1) "Can I take your order please?"
2) "Barnes, party of four, your table is ready."
3) "Thank you for listening to the NY State Department of Transportation Highway Advisory Radio Service... coming next, why liberals always tailgate."
 
> I simply related my experiences in this forumand share what
> some in the industry have reported.

But to have credibility you have to be accurate. Misquoting Arbitron and depending on bloggers of suspect credibility to substantiate your assertions didn't help you in this discussion.

> Unfortunately, Dampier, Smith and Roxalot don't like what's
> being said.

Can't speak for them. I like accuracy myself. Disagree with me if you like, that's all good. It would be a dull world if everyone agreed on everything. But here's some friendly advice; try not to base your disagreement with anyone on inaccurate sourcing and personal attack if you want credibility, or a cordial reception for your future posts.

> Please tell the aforementioned parties to cease and desist.

By the way, here's another piece of friendly advice. It isn't a good idea to try to act as self-appointed censor of other people's observations and/or expression of opinions, if you want to be cordially received here.

You've complained in the past about getting a hostile reception to your efforts to enter the broadcasting industry. I hope for your sake that you haven't approached potential employers with the same chip-on-your-shoulder hostility you show toward many of us here. That's not going to get you far in any venue.
 
Re: And we don't just run AAR

I'll repeat here what was said to you elsewhere...personal attack on people you disagree with, is not going to win you credibility anywhere including in this forum. Descending to the same level of bleat and rant as the Coulters of the world as you have done in your last reply in this thread is just going to convince the reader that what you have to offer is nothing more than bleat and rant.

It makes me understand more clearly why your efforts to crack the broadcasting industry have been fruitless. Do you approach everyone with this attitude?

Do yourself a favor. Step back, cool down, and recast your arguments as well-researched discussions, and you won't find so much resistance. Maybe it makes you feel good to attack me, or Phil Dampier, or anyone else who takes issue with you on this board. But understand well, making yourself feel good is all you will accomplish.
 
> > I simply related my experiences in this forumand share
> what
> > some in the industry have reported.
>
> But to have credibility you have to be accurate. Misquoting
> Arbitron and depending on bloggers of suspect credibility to
> substantiate your assertions didn't help you in this
> discussion.
>
> > Unfortunately, Dampier, Smith and Roxalot don't like
> what's being said.
>
That's not my problem!

First, I am quoting Arbtron ratings as reported by allaccess.com.

As for "bloggers," they quote other sources.

Why don't you go to radioequalizer.blogspot.com and read for yourself?

Since I may be an "outsider," I don't have access to, or funds to buy, a subscription to Abritron reports.

> You've complained in the past about getting a hostile
> reception to your efforts to enter the broadcasting
> industry. I hope for your sake that you haven't approached
> potential employers with the same chip-on-your-shoulder
> hostility you show toward many of us here. That's not going
> to get you far in any venue.
>
Chip on my shoulder?

Why don't you get off your high horse? You elitism and arrogance speaks volumes.

I'm not the only person on Earth who has tried to break in without success.

I've seen ex-athletes, politiicians, and every other non-broadacasting type get into this business, many of whom have NO TALENT!

They get in, more often than not, from name recognition, or from connections, or both.

Howard Cosell pointed out this sad fact for many years.

Cosell was a lawyer before signing on with ABC.

But, guess what?

He had more talent than you can dream of having.

As for potential employers, I wouldn't dream of applying for work with your organization, or any other PBS and/or NPR outlet.

The government is paying your salary.

You can't get around it.

Government has no business in running broadcast stations!

Try to have a nice day.
 
Re: And we don't just run AAR

> I'll repeat here what was said to you elsewhere...personal
> attack on people you disagree with, is not going to win you
> credibility anywhere including in this forum. Descending to
> the same level of bleat and rant as the Coulters of the
> world as you have done in your last reply in this thread is
> just going to convince the reader that what you have to
> offer is nothing more than bleat and rant.
>

Well, what do you think Dampier, Roxalot and others have been doing to me?

> It makes me understand more clearly why your efforts to
> crack the broadcasting industry have been fruitless. Do you
> approach everyone with this attitude?
>
> I research my arguments thoroughly. You just don't like my views.

And, no, I don;t approach everyone with this "attitude."

Just elitists like you and your friends.
 
>
> First, I am quoting Arbtron ratings as reported by
> allaccess.com.

They may or may not report all the listed stations; Radio & Records (www.radioandrecords.com) offers a much more complete accounting of all the rated stations in any market which hasn't been embargoed to the entire trade press.

> As for "bloggers," they quote other sources.
>
> Why don't you go to radioequalizer.blogspot.com and read fo> yourself?

I have, and find its sourcing suspect.

> Since I may be an "outsider," I don't have access to, or
> funds to buy, a subscription to Abritron reports.

Again, just use radioandrecords.com and you'll find out a lot of what you need to know.

> Chip on my shoulder?
>
> Why don't you get off your high horse? You elitism and
> arrogance speaks volumes.
> I'm not the only person on Earth who has tried to break in
> without success.

How hard did you try? Sure, Cosell (himself a man who became a superstar in the business despite lack of connections) said it's harder to crack the business if you aren't a star in some other field, but it's not only possible, it's still the normal way to go.

> I've seen ex-athletes, politiicians, and every other
> non-broadacasting type get into this business, many of whom
> have NO TALENT!
> They get in, more often than not, from name recognition, or
> from connections, or both.

> Cosell was a lawyer before signing on with ABC.
>
> But, guess what?
>
> He had more talent than you can dream of having.

Maybe so. But you know what? He proves talent wins. Thanks for making my point for me.

> As for potential employers, I wouldn't dream of applying for
> work with your organization, or any other PBS and/or NPR
> outlet.
> The government is paying your salary.
> You can't get around it.

Guess what? You're operating with bad information.

Do you know how much operating revenue our public radio stations actually get from all levels of government each year?

The answer, which applies to ALL public radio stations in New York State, is zero dollars and zero cents.

That's right. The operation of public radio stations in NY is 100% privately funded through membership and underwriting. Not a dime of taxpayer money. We call it listener-supported, because that's exactly what it is. And most of that money, the membership money, is not even tax deductible, unlike 100% of COMMERCIAL stations' revenue, which generates a tax deduction for the advertiser and therefore is indirectly subsidized by all taxpayers.

> Government has no business in running broadcast stations!

On that we agree. You'll be happy to know that in New York State, like all but a handful of states, government also has no ROLE in running or funding the operations of radio stations.

Happy for the opportunity to correct a common misconception.
 
Re: Public Broadcasting Funding

>> Guess what? You're operating with bad information.
>
> Do you know how much operating revenue our public radio
> stations actually get from all levels of government each
> year?
>
> The answer, which applies to ALL public radio stations in
> New York State, is zero dollars and zero cents.
>
> That's right. The operation of public radio stations in NY
> is 100% privately funded through membership and
> underwriting. Not a dime of taxpayer money. We call it
> listener-supported, because that's exactly what it is. And
> most of that money, the membership money, is not even tax
> deductible, unlike 100% of COMMERCIAL stations' revenue,
> which generates a tax deduction for the advertiser and
> therefore is indirectly subsidized by all taxpayers.

Bob, I'd be interested in hearing more about your belief that federal and state dollars are not allocated to public radio in New York. I know for a fact that WBFO, and I would assume other public radio stations, receive a Community Service Grant from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, the federal agency that allocates government funding for the nation's public broadcasting stations. Plus, I believe we each receive a small grant each year from the State Education Department. And the State University of New York provides funding and rent-free facilities to WBFO. Granted, listener support and corporate underwriting makes up 70 percent of WBFO's operating budget. But I don't want to leave people with the impression that we no longer receive government support.

People like Bill Franklin can argue that the government should not fund public broadcasting. But the majority of Americans do support it. Republican attempts to cut funding for public broadcasting were beaten back last year and in 1995 by Americans who see the value of NPR and PBS. Congressional representatives have said they had never heard more complaints from their constituents than when Newt Gingrich tried to zero out funding for public broadcasting a decade ago. The American people realize the few cents of their federal taxes they pay each year for public broadcasting is a worthy investment.
 
Re: Public Broadcasting Funding

> Bob, I'd be interested in hearing more about your belief
> that federal and state dollars are not allocated to public
> radio in New York. I know for a fact that WBFO, and I would
> assume other public radio stations, receive a Community
> Service Grant from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting,
> the federal agency that allocates government funding for the
> nation's public broadcasting stations.

Neither we nor WNED nor WNYC nor WCNY, AFAIK, have seen one of those for a long time.

> Plus, I believe we
> each receive a small grant each year from the State
> Education Department. And the State University of New York
> provides funding and rent-free facilities to WBFO. Granted,
> listener support and corporate underwriting makes up 70
> percent of WBFO's operating budget. But I don't want to
> leave people with the impression that we no longer receive
> government support.

You're in the unique position of being a SUNY-owned licensee so you're carried on the books as a SUNY department. You guys do a great job with the resources you get, and my hat's off to you. We aren't getting any help from Albany or Washington to keep the transmitters humming, and neither are WNED, WNYC, WAMC, WSKG or WCNY. We're all raising our own operating money for our radio stations and have to build our own facilities (and in our case didn't even get a dime from public sources to build the digital TV plant we brought on line). It makes a difference. The community licensees depend on the community, period.

There's nothing wrong with operating either one way or the other. There's a good argument to be made for more public support that would enable all of us to do more for our communities. But folks like Bill Franklin need to know that if they choose to listen to a WXXI or a WNED right now, it wasn't his tax dollars that made the programming possible or even built the transmitters and studios, it was money from people in the community who thought it was a good idea to have such a service and volunteered their efforts and cash.

> People like Bill Franklin can argue that the government
> should not fund public broadcasting. But the majority of
> Americans do support it. Republican attempts to cut funding
> for public broadcasting were beaten back last year and in
> 1995 by Americans who see the value of NPR and PBS.
> Congressional representatives have said they had never heard
> more complaints from their constituents than when Newt
> Gingrich tried to zero out funding for public broadcasting a
> decade ago. The American people realize the few cents of
> their federal taxes they pay each year for public
> broadcasting is a worthy investment.
>
On that we're totally in sync.
 
I don't know why I'm jumping into this, but...

> We aren't getting any help from Albany or
> Washington to keep the transmitters humming, and neither are
> WNED, WNYC, WAMC, WSKG or WCNY. We're all raising our own
> operating money for our radio stations and have to build our
> own facilities (and in our case didn't even get a dime from
> public sources to build the digital TV plant we brought on
> line). It makes a difference. The community licensees depend
> on the community, period.

There's a little more to it than that - there is, in fact, some state and federal grant money that's gone into the DTV conversion (and the upcoming digital radio conversion). At WXXI, there are specific programs (much of the educational programming, and the Reachout Radio reading service for the blind) that are funded by directed grants and by contracts with state agencies. There's certainly grant money funding the interconnect that's going in among the state's public broadcasters. (Bob is correct that the day-to-day operations of WXXI's radio and TV signals is funded entirely by members and underwriters.)

I'll gladly defend all of those, though. Among the things we're doing with our DTV bandwidth at WXXI is providing what amounts to a private video stream for local emergency providers, at no charge. The technology we're developing at WXXI could eventually be used by emergency providers around the country. Seems like a pretty good payback for a small public investment to me.

It's also important to remember - and very often forgotten - that in a sense, we taxpayers all subsidize the advertising on commercial radio and TV outlets, in the form of the tax writeoffs granted to businesses for the money they spend on those ads.

That wasn't really the point I wanted to make by jumping into this thread, though.

Bill's references to the "elitist" public broadcasters just simply don't ring true to me, and I say that as someone who's worked both sides of the fence. Pretty much everyone I work with at WXXI has spent time working in commercial radio or TV. We send our kids to public schools, we drive rusted-out used cars, and I'm pretty sure none of us snacks on Brie and chablis between newscasts. I suppose the WBFO and WNED folks might live a little higher on the hog, but I doubt it.

We do indeed have very nice new studios, as do WNED and WRVO - but they only came about after many years of making do with very old, downright decrepit facilities. I've never worked in a nicer plant than the current WXXI radio, but I'd also have to go pretty far back to think of a more rundown studio than our old digs.

In fairness, WHAM has new studios, too, and at the end of the day, while our styles may vary a bit (I don't think Bill Lowe gets to use 29-second cuts in his morning newscasts), we're both out there covering the same news conferences and sitting through the same long (and often deadly dull) meetings. Elitist? Not from my perspective. (But hey, I only work there.)

What I'm really not clear on here is exactly how Bill thinks one gets a job in radio. When I look around town - both on the commercial stations and the noncomms - what I see are a lot of people who have paid some very serious dues over a very long time to get where they are. Bob Lonsberry got where he is not just on the basis of his politics (though they certainly didn't hurt). He got there after years of newspaper drudgery, and he stayed there by virtue of being one of the hardest-working people anywhere in the business. Name a bad shift, and Bob's worked it, probably while working two more gigs at the same time. He makes it look easy. Believe me, it isn't.

In fact, I can't think of one person doing radio news or radio talk in Rochester who hasn't worked a whole string of cruddy jobs at (or below) minimum wage on the way to the "big time," or made huge personal sacrifices (moving alone to a strange city across the country) just to get that first break. And I guarantee you that all of them (present company very much included) were rejected a lot more often than they were hired along the way. It's not a question of applying at four places and being turned down. It's a question of applying at 40, or 80, or 100, before that big break comes along. I got my first paying job in radio news, back at WCAP in Lowell, Mass., by sending tapes and resumes to every radio newsroom in Massachusetts and most of New Hampshire and Rhode Island as well. If I remember right, only two of them even called me back.

It was a terrible field to try to break in to then, and it's only getting harder. The newsrooms that provided a "farm team" back in the day - WCGR in Canandaigua, WBTA in Batavia, WCJW in Warsaw, and so on - are either gone or reduced to one-person operations. If I'm counting correctly, there are a grand total of seven people in all of western and central New York employed full-time as radio talk show hosts. That's a hell of a tough club to break into. It's a little easier to get into TV, where there's always a need for producers and assignment editors, but even that's a challenge these days with the shutdowns of newsrooms at WNYO and WUHF and so on, which put some very experienced people back out on the job hunt, chasing perhaps 150 TV news jobs here and fewer in Buffalo. How many radio news jobs are there, total, in Buffalo and Rochester? I count about a dozen in Rochester, one in Batavia, one in Warsaw, and I'm guessing perhaps 20 on a good day in Buffalo. Those aren't good odds.

Don't get me wrong - there's a reason those of us who work in the business put up with all of this. When you finally get that break, and when you get behind the mike or in front of the camera, there's no greater feeling in the world. I consider myself incredibly fortunate to have worked where I've worked, and I wouldn't trade it for a desk job in a million years. But it's been a long, hard slog to get there for me, just as it's been for the other professionals who post here - and for all the good people I know (some of whom also post here) who still love the business but don't work in it anymore, whether by their own choice or otherwise. There are probably more talented radio people out of work, or severely underemployed, at any given time than there are actually in the business. (Cf. Neaverth, Danny.)

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