THE SINGERS AND STANDARDS FORMAT SHOULD BE ON WIP AM 610

[imhomerjay]

The irony is thick enough to cut with a knife.

 

[doowopvault]

And 2nd, I do not support him, but I DO support the people that leaked the memo's to prove the existence of pay for play corruption in this business, which I would hope you would support getting rid of too.Do not try to use the age old tactic of turning attention away from the issue, and redirecting it. The issue here is not Spritzer, it is the pay for play, payola,and the greedy corporate Stations that think they own the airwaves, which was proven with leaked memo's, VERIFIABLE FACTS!!!.

 

[luperm]

And 2nd, I do not support him, but I DO support the people that leaked the memo's to prove the existence of pay for play corruption in this business, which I would hope you would support getting rid of too.Do not try to use the age old tactic of turning attention away from the issue, and redirecting it. The issue here is not Spritzer, it is the pay for play, payola,and the greedy corporate Stations that think they own the airwaves, which was proven with leaked memo's, VERIFIABLE FACTS!!!.

I really appreciate your enthusiasm. However, you've failed to connect two important points.

Let's all accept for a minute your assertion (verifiable facts, as you call it) that there is this widespread conspiracy by record companies and radio to promote and play certain music...that you happen to not like. It very well may be true. In any case, in commercial radio the bills are paid by advertisers who wish to reach a particular segment of the population. For the sake of this broad discussion, let's call that anybody who is under age 55. You can argue all day and night that advertisers are misguided and that they ignore 55+ at their peril. However, that argument is not supported by any credible facts whatsoever...only anecdotal musings by people on message boards. Your job as a station owner is to attract listeners to your station to garner ratings points that show advertisers that you reach the "desirable" people...those under 55. What do you do?


Play what you consider to be "good" music in the highly unlikely hopes that at some point 18-34 year olds somehow see the light? Or do you play music that reflects what you believe are the tastes of your desired listeners? It's a no brainer.

You're using this concept of alleged payola as justification for commercial radio not playing what you personally like. It's simply not true. Perhaps you could argue that radio might play one song versus another if not for the alleged payola, but the fact remains that programming would sound more or less the same if the alleged payola did not exist.

 

[imhomerjay]

No, then there would simply be some other conspiracy to hide behind in an effort to avoid basic business realities.

 

[doowopvault]

First off, to use the word "conspiracy" is used by people to view ones statements as having no proof,rediculous, paranoid, misconceived, unfounded and outlandish, i.e to discredit that person.There is proof, which make it NOT a conspiracy. 2nd, you say that my argument is not supported by any credible facts, really, the fact that there are stations on the air right now, playing Standards, Oldies, Doo Wop etc proves, again, that it can and does work.

The FACT is with Standards, Doo Wop and all the other records from the 40's, 50's and early 60's, most of those lables were small and indepenent, they are gone, and have no lable to pay a visit to the Stations, i.e pay to play. Now, with the recordings being made today, as the leaked memo's stated, so many spins for this amount of cash.That's lot's of money to be made, and it has nothing to do with what is popular, it has to do with what the lables and the stations want you to think is popular, so you listen and buy it.Molding the publics tastes.

So as you say "you play the tastes of your desired listeners", that's to assume that your listening audience freely tunes in to listen. how can that be if the corporations are buying station after station and playing basically the same corporate molded, groomed artists or group that they have a ton of money invested in? you think that they want to give you free choice to listen to something else that they don't have a ton of money invested in? to think otherwise is naive and foolish.

 

[luperm]

First off, to use the word "conspiracy" is used by people to view ones statements as having no proof,rediculous, paranoid, misconceived, unfounded and outlandish, i.e to discredit that person.There is proof, which make it NOT a conspiracy. 2nd, you say that my argument is not supported by any credible facts, really, the fact that there are stations on the air right now, playing Standards, Oldies, Doo Wop etc proves, again, that it can and does work.

That's your bias, not mine. A conspiracy is just that. Where parties work in harmony to create a desired outcome. Nothing more, nothing less. You've tried to spin it in such a way as to deflect arguments that are contrary to yours. Arguments that are basic business realities in the radio industry. Yes, there are some stations out there playing standards, oldies, or whatever. Relative to other formats, however, they are the exception...not the rule. They become even moreso the exception as more spoken word programming continues to move to FM.

The FACT is with Standards, Doo Wop and all the other records from the 40's, 50's and early 60's, most of those lables were small and indepenent, they are gone, and have no lable to pay a visit to the Stations, i.e pay to play. Now, with the recordings being made today, as the leaked memo's stated, so many spins for this amount of cash.That's lot's of money to be made, and it has nothing to do with what is popular, it has to do with what the lables and the stations want you to think is popular, so you listen and buy it.Molding the publics tastes.

To state that "payola" is something new is just plain incorrect. I think a lot of people were surprised to learn that it was still going on, but it has always been around in radio, and it always will be. If there was no payola, there might be some other music that you dislike on the radio. But it would not be standards or doo wop. Again, just look at the demographics.

So as you say "you play the tastes of your desired listeners", that's to assume that your listening audience freely tunes in to listen. how can that be if the corporations are buying station after station and playing basically the same corporate molded, groomed artists or group that they have a ton of money invested in? you think that they want to give you free choice to listen to something else that they don't have a ton of money invested in? to think otherwise is naive and foolish.

Nobody has put a gun to anyone's head. You don't have to listen to Katy Perry or Rhianna. There are plenty of alternatives for those who look for something different. Unfortunately most of those places won't be on commercial radio.

 

[Seltzer]

First off, to use the word "conspiracy" is used by people to view ones statements as having no proof,rediculous, paranoid, misconceived, unfounded and outlandish, i.e to discredit that person.There is proof, which make it NOT a conspiracy. 2nd, you say that my argument is not supported by any credible facts, really, the fact that there are stations on the air right now, playing Standards, Oldies, Doo Wop etc proves, again, that it can and does work.

The FACT is with Standards, Doo Wop and all the other records from the 40's, 50's and early 60's, most of those lables were small and indepenent, they are gone, and have no lable to pay a visit to the Stations, i.e pay to play. Now, with the recordings being made today, as the leaked memo's stated, so many spins for this amount of cash.That's lot's of money to be made, and it has nothing to do with what is popular, it has to do with what the lables and the stations want you to think is popular, so you listen and buy it.Molding the publics tastes.

So as you say "you play the tastes of your desired listeners", that's to assume that your listening audience freely tunes in to listen. how can that be if the corporations are buying station after station and playing basically the same corporate molded, groomed artists or group that they have a ton of money invested in? you think that they want to give you free choice to listen to something else that they don't have a ton of money invested in? to think otherwise is naive and foolish.

If I recall, this witch hunt happened something like six years ago. Everyone involved settled. So whether or not this went on, it's now ancient history. And not relevant to the discussion at hand. WIP AM is not going to re-create The Station Of The Stars.

 

[doowopvault]

No, then there would simply be some other conspiracy to hide behind in an effort to avoid basic business realities.

As I said waaaaay back in this post, when DJ's took money to play music, it was seen as criminal, when station owners take it, it's called by people like you "Business realities"lol lol. As the old saying goes...."changing the name of a thing doesn't change what the thing is itself".Putting Rabit Ears on a Cow doesn't turn the Cow into a Rabit, does it. Get it?

 

[imhomerjay]

I "got it" way back on page 1, as did others. Whatever Spitzer did or didn't find is immaterial. Are we to believe we're some alleged misdeed not to hae happened that there would be an avalanche of interest in some niche music category? Because it most assuredly isn't the case.

 

[radiogodzilla]

we keep looking for corporate owned stations to do what we want but we all know they won't. The old farts who are now in their 70's and 80's who listened to Wee Willie Webber and Ken Garland can't afford health care, so why would they listen or spend money on a dead am with near dead listeners who are looking for freebies and groupons to an all you can eat buffet?
I am no young pup, but people on these pages seem obsessed with radio being what it once was. Those days are over. FM's flip every 6-months once the pie has been cut up for the flavor of the month format. Oldies stations are tired everywhere CBS programs them.
PANDORA is now on in bohemian coffee shops, homes, businesses and anywhere you want by programming in a genre of music. It will help kill free radio just like satellite radio has already severely damaged it.
So please gang, the technical stuff all reads well for the geeks on here, but the real radio people in the real world know radio is a toilet and anyone thinking about getting in should considering a trade like welding.

 

[doowopvault]

We can keep going round and round on this issue, so what is the point?. we agree to disagree. It doesn't matter what I, nore anyone else thinks. I have my show, which is doing quite well, with listeners starting in their teens and on up to their 70's. With more and more stations jumping on board, it really doesn't matter what the people on this board think, or have been told how it is, which just amounts to regurgitating someone elses thoughts, and putting it out there as the truth lol.I know what the listenership is on my show, among other oldies DJ's, so that's all I really care about, my music and listeners.

I will end with this, and I've experienced this in a few fields....you have two kinds of people, the people that know business and people that know THE business. And it has been my experience, among many others, when the people that know business get hold of a business, and they do not know THE business, they destroy it. And it is too damn bad that we do not have people in radio that know business and The business at the same time.