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The start of a new nationwide trend?

https://tvnewscheck.com/article/top-news/231732/wghp-launch-11-p-m-newscast/

Now Tribune has announced on May 1st WGHP-TV will have an 11pm Newscast for North Carolina

Tribune’s Fox affiliate WGHP Greensboro, N.C. (DMA 48), will premiere Fox8 News at 11 pm on May 1.

Building upon the success of its market-leading 10.5 hours of locally produced news each day, WGHP is adding another 30 minutes of local news coverage, upping its daily total to 11 hours of content every weekday.


“As the most watched local news station in the Triad, moving into the 11 o’clock hour is a natural extension. The Fox8 News at 11 pm will be a new and meaningful choice for local news that will provide viewers and users with the depth and quality that they have come to expect from WGHP,” said Jim Himes, the station’s president and general manager.
 
Have they missed something, or has nothing new happened? This is also an issue with all news radio. There is a cycle they follow, and as they say, they update it as events warrant. If events don't happen, they can't just invent something to fill the time, can they? So they repeat, and you have the option to either watch or change the station.

No, nothing new happened. Especially with the weather which is repeated ad nauseam every 15 minutes. Unless your area is in the midst of a terrible weather event repeating the forecast isn't new news. Traffic is the only segment where maximum coverage is important since it can change rapidly. Interestingly, traffic is repeated only about once per hour whereas weather is repeated much more frequently usually proceeded with filler and fluff.

Changing the station is of no use when all locals follow exactly the same format. Of course, traffic is always a bit behind real time anyway and I hope to gawd no one who is already in their car is watching TV while commuting.

It would be very nice for those of us who are interested in more than just headlines if at least one local station would invest in the "news behind the news". Seems like they always have time for happy news and fluff but not enough for "the rest of the story". In my market we get lots of stories about idiot hikers getting stranded on hiking trails or house fires but not nearly enough on the important stories which affect our pocket books.
 
It would be very nice for those of us who are interested in more than just headlines if at least one local station would invest in the "news behind the news".

That's exactly the idea behind NPR's All Things Considered. No repetition there. You'll hear about places you didn't know existed. Even you.
 
That's exactly the idea behind NPR's All Things Considered. No repetition there. You'll hear about places you didn't know existed. Even you.

I've listened to that show in the past but found that most of those stories are duplicated by the national network news (although they do go into slightly more detail usually). They don't cover local stories however and that is my biggest complaint about local TV news. House fires and auto accidents do not generally affect the majority of viewers but "if it bleeds, it leads" seems still to be the mantra of TV news orgs.
 
I've listened to that show in the past but found that most of those stories are duplicated by the national network news (although they do go into slightly more detail usually). They don't cover local stories however and that is my biggest complaint about local TV news. House fires and auto accidents do not generally affect the majority of viewers but "if it bleeds, it leads" seems still to be the mantra of TV news orgs.

Then there is BBC News if you want international stories. "if it bleeds, it leads" Yes I remember that mantra of Local TV News. That started when Al Primo the News Director in 1968-1969 of WABC-TV got Roger Grimsby to move from San Francisco to NYC to do Channel 7 Eyewitness News/ Channel 7 News Scene.

I heard stuff that when Al Primo got Roger Grimsby to Move from KGO-TV to WABC-TV that WABC-TV had the biggest ratings in New York at the time. Likewise Van Amburg and Jerry Jensen the people who took over Grimsby's San Francisco seat apparently had double digit ratings that beat the competition in the Bay Area in the 1970's though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyp3SCONbOk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyp3SCONbOk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8iMnUb5v14
 
Then there is BBC News if you want international stories. "if it bleeds, it leads" Yes I remember that mantra of Local TV News. That started when Al Primo the News Director in 1968-1969 of WABC-TV got Roger Grimsby to move from San Francisco to NYC to do Channel 7 Eyewitness News/ Channel 7 News Scene.

I heard stuff that when Al Primo got Roger Grimsby to Move from KGO-TV to WABC-TV that WABC-TV had the biggest ratings in New York at the time. Likewise Van Amburg and Jerry Jensen the people who took over Grimsby's San Francisco seat apparently had double digit ratings that beat the competition in the Bay Area in the 1970's though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyp3SCONbOk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyp3SCONbOk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8iMnUb5v14

I lived in SF in the late 60's and witnessed Grimsby/ABC and moved to NYC about the same time he did and witnessed the "happy news" outbreak on channel 7 there as well. They both did a major disservice to TV journalism.
 
I wouldn't call this exactly new, but it's definitely spreading across the country. There's a very simple reason for it too.

Once stations started doing 4 or 5 hours of news, it became fairly easy to expand to 6 or 7 hours. The staff is there and they don't have to hire many more people to add an hour or two to a show. So the added cost of adding an hour or two to a 4 or 5 hour show is not nearly as much as it costs to air a syndicated show. Additionally, with syndicated shows, stations usually have to split the ad time with the syndicator and usually only get to run 2-4 minutes of local ads per hour. With news, they can run 12-15 minutes (or more) of ads in an hour and keep all the revenue.

Once some stations did it and found success with it, it was bound to be copied by others and spread across the country. I'm not sure we need that much news, but I guess I'd rather have that than an hour of Wendy Williams.
 
https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/333172/syndicated-shows-endure-viewership-drop.html

Here is probably why Local Tv stations are expanding their newscasts its to respond to syndicated shows getting a viewership drop.

With half the 2018-2019 U.S. syndication TV season completed, viewership for top shows has declined by mid-single-digit percentages versus a year ago -- similar to the declines of broadcast and cable TV network programming drops.

CBS Television Distribution’s “Judge Judy” slipped 1% to 10.2 million viewers, according to Nielsen live program plus time-shifted viewing from September 3, 2018 through March 3, 2019.

Three game shows placed just behind “Judy” also declined slightly -- CBS’ “Wheel of Fortune” losing 1% to 10.1 million; CBS’s“Jeopardy” down 2% to 9.8 million; and Twentieth Television’s “Family Feud” falling 6% to 9.6 million.

Top entertainment magazines were down a bit more: CBS’ “Inside Edition” was 2% lower to 4.5 million; CBS’ “Entertainment Tonight” down 6% to 4.3 million; NBCUniversal’s “Access Hollywood” giving up 10% to 1.78 million; and Warner Bros. “TMZ” off 14% to 1.76 million.
 
In fairness, newscasts aren’t immune to viewer losses that impact the broadcast sector as a whole. That said, they’re still a logical investment when you keep all the inventory.
 
"pure" news watchers ain't that people who watch PBS Newshour, (Note Some areas like San Diego's KPBS has the PBS affiliate do Local News and Documentaries) or NPR News/Talk shows?

But there is another reason why local TV stations are expanding newscasts and in some cases do segments made by their Parent company (Example Hearst has Soledad O'Brien do a show Matter of Fact) for Hearst Owned stations like KCRA and KQCA in Sacramento. Or Gray Television has Greta Van Susteren do segments for the stations they own like WOIO Cleveland and KOLO Reno, Or Sinclairs Must run Segments that KOMO and KRNV has to air.

I remember a few years ago there was an article that in able for the FOX O&O to remain relevant to viewers was that they expand newscasts at 11pm and it was due to Fox responding to the issue of certain off network/syndicated sitcom and drama's losing their broadcast rights and having to deal with those shows moving to Netflix and Hulu at the time though.

https://variety.com/2017/tv/news/fox-stations-late-night-news-syndicated-comedy-1202555298/

Here is the article from 2017 on Why Fox O&O's were expanding Newscasts at the time though note KTVU was one of the first Fox owned stations to have an 11pm newscast at the time when other Fox O&O's were considering doing the same thing though have an 11pm News and a 4am Newscast though.

“For years, the idea was you had to have ‘Seinfeld,’” to compete with late-night shows on rival stations, says Frank Cicha, senior vice president of programming for Fox TV Stations, in an interview. “Those days are done.”

Fox Stations’ decision is likely to jolt companies that have gotten rich off the fees regularly paid for syndicated series. In several large markets, Fox controls two stations – including in New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas, San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Houston, Minneapolis, Phoenix, Orlando and Charlotte. Syndicators have been under pressure for several years, says Michael Nathanson, an independent media-industry analyst. “This has been a major long running theme for us, as both cable and station groups drop acquired programming to add originals,” he says. “The industry pipeline is rather weak and the focus on serialized content has hurt, too.”

As contracts to run certain syndicated programs come due, says Cicha, Fox Stations intends to replace the comedies with programming that is more of the moment. “The only way these stations exist in the future is to be live day and date, to be immediate,” he says. There could be another reason for jettisoning the funny stuff. Stations typically share advertising revenue from such shows with the syndicators. Running another news program would allow the Fox stations to keep all the advertising they sell.

Snaring the rights to favorite TV comedies used to sway audiences, but with so many programs available on Hulu, Netflix, Apple iTunes and other on-demand venues, “that makes it less immediate,” Cicha adds. “People can watch it whenever they want.” The stations might follow the late-night news with other shows that feature content that is fresh only once. Examples of such programming might include an episode of “TMZ” or “Page Six,” a new effort from Fox that plays off the famous gossip pages of The New York Post, a newspaper controlled by sister company News Corp.
 
Fox17 airs news from 4:30AM to 9AM they air Fox17 Morning Mix more fluff pieces and events around West Michigan, then Steve Wilox at 10AM, then back to news at 11AM with Fox17 Midday News then news from 4PM to 7PM then Fox17 News 10PM to 11:30PM.
 
Does anyone have access to approximate cost numbers of producing an hour of local news
vs. buying an hour of syndicated programming? That might enlighten this debate.
 
Does anyone have access to approximate cost numbers of producing an hour of local news
vs. buying an hour of syndicated programming? That might enlighten this debate.

Lots if variables, such as talent and technical costs, and if they're in fact producing a full original hour of local news, or just adding another hour of time, made up primarily of repeated stories.
 
https://www.ftvlive.com/sqsp-test/2019/6/28/less-people-watching-local-new

Here is a New Study on People who watch the news.

The Pew Research Center is out with new findings and it continues to show the declining audience in local TV news.

Pew finds that while television remains the most common place for Americans to get their news, with local TV outpacing cable and network TV, local TV news saw its audience decline across all time slots studied this past year.

What is really scary is the audience drop off is in double digits across the board.

The average audience (defined as the average number of TVs tuned to a program throughout a time period) for the morning news time slot decreased 10% in 2018. Local TV average audience for the late night and evening news time slots also declined (14% for both). Audience for the midday news (11 a.m. to 2 p.m.) and prime news (8 p.m. to 11 p.m.) time slots both declined 19%.

The good news is TV stations are still raking in big bucks.

In 2018, an election year, local TV over-the-air advertising revenue totaled $19.3 billion, a 12% increase over 2017, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of MEDIA Access Pro & BIA Advisory Services data. In comparison, local TV advertising revenue in the two most recent election years was $19.8 billion (2016) and $19.3 billion (2014).

https://www.journalism.org/fact-sheet/local-tv-news/

Here is the Original Study.
 
These numbers could use some context. Sure mid-day news is down, but just about everything is down from what it used to be. Prime time network shares are down. Sports coverage is down. It's the Balkanization of TV, just like musical taste and radio. So it's all relative. When you're selling, you don't bring up that this year is lower than last year. You point out how you're doing now compared to the competition.
 
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