Is this the start of a new nationwide trend? Starting on April 8th Tribune is expand the morning newscast on FOX 61 in Hartford to 7 hours! Currently airing 4AM-10AM the newscast will be taking over the 10AM-11AM time-slot from the Wendy Williams show. Not sure what will be happening to The Wendy Show.
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The start of a new nationwide trend?
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It's not in a row, so it doesn't count. WHDH is also not an affiliate of any TV network.
For pure news watchers, this is a disaster. Because the repetition of news stories is quick and fast. That said, most viewers are not "pure" news watchers, instead tuning in for 10-20 minutes in the morning on average. It is the old "give us 20 minutes and we will give you the world", to use the phrase of all-news radio stations. The ROI is positive with these long newscasts, so they do it and continue to expand. However, NBC learned a lesson with the ill-fated Megyn Kelly hour, but that is a little outside the window of local news channels needing to fill time in the morning, like most Fox affiliates, and other rogue stations that pick up their local ABC, NBC, or CBS news product during the network prime time morning hours. As in "ABC (channel) news on the CW", etc./
Might as well call WHDH an All-News independent, since that's what they are. Could that be the trend? 24/7 LIVE news with no breaks on some major-market stations except for the mandated 3 hours of E/I? There are some stations that begin their morning news at 4:00AM, and they go on throughout the morning, take a very short break and come back at noon.
Since some stations have 24/7 news on a subchannel, I would guess that could work in some larger cities. And for my part it would be better than the trash talk, courtroom shows and infomercials that they would probably have instead.
In Cities like Los Angeles there's Spectrum News,
In New York there's NY1 News and News 12 they have been All News TV for the NYC Market for 30 years approximately.
Maybe this is a trend for other parts of the country? of All Local News TV?
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs
https://www.news12.com/
I Know for San Francisco and Sacramento there has been talks for CBS Television stations division to do Local edition All-News TV for the CBSN App using KOVR CBS 13 and KPIX 5 Staff but that's pending as of 2019 though.
https://www.fiercevideo.com/video/cbs-launching-local-news-streaming-services
https://cronkitenewslab.com/digital...do-ott-viewers-want-cbs-is-about-to-find-out/
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https://tvnewscheck.com/article/230831/kron-launches-24-7-news-app/
Here is another one KRON San Francisco the Nexstar owned station is going to do an all news app similar to CBSN but this only affects the Bay Area as of this posting and other Nexstar Owned stations might consider doing the same thing similar to KRON in their markets.
Here is another one KRON San Francisco the Nexstar owned station is going to do an all news app similar to CBSN but this only affects the Bay Area as of this posting and other Nexstar Owned stations might consider doing the same thing similar to KRON in their markets.
here in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, KDFW the Fox O&O station has their morning show "Good Day Dallas" air from 4 AM to 10 AM, making it the longest morning newscast in the market as they have a 30 minute head start on WFAA's Daybreak, KTVT's CBS 11 This Morning and KXAS's NBC 5 Today as they all start at 4:30 AM. and Good Day stays on an extra 3 hours as 5, 8 and 11 go to the respected network's national morning news shows at 7 AM.
8, 5 and 11's morning newscast last for 2 and a half hours, while 4's morning newscast is 6 hours long. and yes, KDFW knows their very long local newscast in the morning works cause it's the only live news show at 7-10 AM that's local, while Today, Good Morning America and CBS CBS This Morning airs on a 1 hour tape delay and the only time it's live would be for the local news/weather update or if the morning newscast end up going fully live for a breaking news event that happens in the morning (the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks would be the most famous example of this as it was onfolding while the morning shows were live in the Eastern time zone while the attacks was happening).
8, 5 and 11's morning newscast last for 2 and a half hours, while 4's morning newscast is 6 hours long. and yes, KDFW knows their very long local newscast in the morning works cause it's the only live news show at 7-10 AM that's local, while Today, Good Morning America and CBS CBS This Morning airs on a 1 hour tape delay and the only time it's live would be for the local news/weather update or if the morning newscast end up going fully live for a breaking news event that happens in the morning (the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks would be the most famous example of this as it was onfolding while the morning shows were live in the Eastern time zone while the attacks was happening).
Fox Minneapolis (KMSP) has what amounts to news from 4:30-noon M-F
4:30-10am is news
10-11 is the locally produced "Jason Show" which is more of fluff pieces but they do have news
then 11-noon again
Then they come back at 5-7 and 9-10:35pm. Throw in the hour from 7-8 on their sister station Fox9+ (WFTC) and you've got 12 hours of news daily....oh WTFC does have a rerun of the 10:00 news from KMSP and the 9pm news is replayed at 2am on Fox 9
Closest is KSTP ABC. 4:30-7am then 7-9 on sister station KSTC (Independent)...11-noon, 4:30-5:30, 6-7, 9-10 (KSTC) and 10-10:35
4:30-10am is news
10-11 is the locally produced "Jason Show" which is more of fluff pieces but they do have news
then 11-noon again
Then they come back at 5-7 and 9-10:35pm. Throw in the hour from 7-8 on their sister station Fox9+ (WFTC) and you've got 12 hours of news daily....oh WTFC does have a rerun of the 10:00 news from KMSP and the 9pm news is replayed at 2am on Fox 9
Closest is KSTP ABC. 4:30-7am then 7-9 on sister station KSTC (Independent)...11-noon, 4:30-5:30, 6-7, 9-10 (KSTC) and 10-10:35
The Fox stations are the ones that seem to do the most local news, primarily since they have the least network programming to clear. So their choice is between expanded local news and syndication. They make more money with local news, and it gives them a competitive edge with the other stations in the market.
Maury Povich once hosted Panorama on the Fox station in DC. It was a mid-morning talk show, similar to The View and The Talk. You still see a lot of those local shows in bigger cities that have celebrities appearing at area theaters. Back in the day, there was PM Magazine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PM_Magazine But if a station is going to have a local staff gathering news, they might as well use them for more than just a few hours a day.
Maury Povich once hosted Panorama on the Fox station in DC. It was a mid-morning talk show, similar to The View and The Talk. You still see a lot of those local shows in bigger cities that have celebrities appearing at area theaters. Back in the day, there was PM Magazine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PM_Magazine But if a station is going to have a local staff gathering news, they might as well use them for more than just a few hours a day.
This makes sense, they already have the anchors under contract. They can make more money on commercials as they don't have to pay for the syndicated programing. Plus they get a stronghold on local news and can be more competitive in the ratings.
While that is true the O&O's usually get roped into carrying specific syndicated programming. The drawback of that is when you have 2 FOX O&O stations they like to replay shows on WFTC that are already on KMSP. Examples
-Wendy (noon KMSP WFTC one week delay 9am)
-The Real (1pm KMSP, 6am WFTC)
-TMZ Live (2pm KMSP, 4pm WFTC)
-TMZ (11:35pm KMSP, 8pm WFTC, 2am WFTC, 3:30am KMSP)
The one advantage though is that FOX can shove alot of syndicated to the My affiliate when FOX has an agreement to carry something.
Meanwhile KSTP ABC carries only 3 syndicated shows M-F. Kelly & Ryan @9, Millionaire at 2 & 2:30 and Pawn Stars at 12:05am. The other slots (11-noon, 3-5:30, 6-7) are news or newsy type programs.
Thirty-five years ago I was a young skull o' mush, being asked by the news director of a Pittsburgh TV station
which local station I watched for news, and why.
My answer was "WPXI. Because their six o'clock news is in a 30 minute format, while yours is an hour.
And frankly not enough news happens in Pittsburgh to fill an entire hour every day. Most days frankly you
are really straining to cover the hour with fluff and filler."
Honest to Pete, I thought the man was going to break down and cry when I said that.
Of course now we have hours and hours and hours and hours of local news.
Clearly I did not win that debate.
which local station I watched for news, and why.
My answer was "WPXI. Because their six o'clock news is in a 30 minute format, while yours is an hour.
And frankly not enough news happens in Pittsburgh to fill an entire hour every day. Most days frankly you
are really straining to cover the hour with fluff and filler."
Honest to Pete, I thought the man was going to break down and cry when I said that.
Of course now we have hours and hours and hours and hours of local news.
Clearly I did not win that debate.
We have 4:30AM news on one of the stations here in central WA (KNDO/KNDU). The others start at 5AM. It wasn't long ago that KAPP/KVEW's Good Morning NW didn't start until 5:30! We have 7-9 news, from SPOKANE, on KFFX/KCYU (Good Day). Too cheap to pay Monty Webb and the other anchor for two more hours as KNDU produces the 10PM news on Fox. So we just get news from 3 hours away. Might as well simulcast Q13 Fox This Morning because it's just as far away! 
No noon news whatsoever. KIMA has Funny You Should Ask, KNDO has TMZ. We live in Ag-country, I'd think that a noon newscast would be necessary with stock market and farm updates...corn prices, cattle prices, etc. I'd much rather see 'NBC Right Now Local News at Noon' than TMZ.
No noon news whatsoever. KIMA has Funny You Should Ask, KNDO has TMZ. We live in Ag-country, I'd think that a noon newscast would be necessary with stock market and farm updates...corn prices, cattle prices, etc. I'd much rather see 'NBC Right Now Local News at Noon' than TMZ.
I dunno about "competitive edge" since they all seem to run multiple news programs in my market but the Fox O&O here runs virtually identical programs beginning very early in the AM. Watching later news programs on that same channel give you no new news.
Barring things that are actually changing, “new news” isn’t really the point. If I’m not an early bird, the 9 am hour of a block might be good for me. If I need to get out the door at the crack of dawn, I’m not watching the later hour.
The competitive aspect is capturing viewers on their schedule.
Those that choose to watch straight through...well, that’s their decision.
The competitive aspect is capturing viewers on their schedule.
Those that choose to watch straight through...well, that’s their decision.
Have they missed something, or has nothing new happened? This is also an issue with all news radio. There is a cycle they follow, and as they say, they update it as events warrant. If events don't happen, they can't just invent something to fill the time, can they? So they repeat, and you have the option to either watch or change the station.
"pure" news watchers ain't that people who watch PBS Newshour, (Note Some areas like San Diego's KPBS has the PBS affiliate do Local News and Documentaries) or NPR News/Talk shows?
But there is another reason why local TV stations are expanding newscasts and in some cases do segments made by their Parent company (Example Hearst has Soledad O'Brien do a show Matter of Fact) for Hearst Owned stations like KCRA and KQCA in Sacramento. Or Gray Television has Greta Van Susteren do segments for the stations they own like WOIO Cleveland and KOLO Reno, Or Sinclairs Must run Segments that KOMO and KRNV has to air.
I remember a few years ago there was an article that in able for the FOX O&O to remain relevant to viewers was that they expand newscasts at 11pm and it was due to Fox responding to the issue of certain off network/syndicated sitcom and drama's losing their broadcast rights and having to deal with those shows moving to Netflix and Hulu at the time though.
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