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Thee end past its sell-by date???

Carolla is top 3 18-34 and Top 5 25-54. They have never had a morning show close to those numbers. Afternoon drive doesn't look as strong but has the number one cume 18-34 persons.

Why would they want to drop those shows and bring back old jocks who underperformed those numbers? The day parts that play music don't do as well as the talk intensive shows. If anything they should probably talk more. If people can get music when they want how they want, you are probably never going to please them with any of those bands you mentioned.

I'm out of demo (female) but I love Adam Carolla.
 
From what I have heard the last book was a total fluke for 107.7. KUBE got a 0.0 on one 'trend'? That is highly unlikely is it not?
And the kisw morning show dipped substantially? They have a whole (except Andy Harms) station that underperforms.
 
You can't say arbitron is wrong in one book and right in another. Perhpas the bad books KNDD has had were the fluke? They have had two good books in a row and three out of the last four. Fluke? I would not dump the station after two good books. I know a lot of stations that would like to have two "lucky" books in a row.

Who is Andy Harms?
 
Carolla is top 3 18-34 and Top 5 25-54. They have never had a morning show close to those numbers. Afternoon drive doesn't look as strong but has the number one cume 18-34 persons.

Why would they want to drop those shows and bring back old jocks who underperformed those numbers?
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Instead of quoting Carolla's latest trend, how bout letting us know how he has done overall since he has been on KNDD. As DJDAN has already mentioned, on average, he remains out of the top 5 in the end's demo. Look there is no denying this station has slipped over the years, so for anyone who think the bad books were flukes are definitely nuts. Whether they were your cup of tea or not whoisthatguyanyway, the end enjoyed it's best numbers when folks like Dick Rosedi, Kim Monroe, Andy Savage, Marco Collins and Bill Reed were around. The numbers don't lie, go back and take a look.

Could any of the above be successful again on the End with their current musical direction, probably not. Except for maybe Dick and Marco, the rest are just too old to be appealing to such a young demo. But then again, Carolla is 43 and Lazlo's wife sounds like she's 80.
 
So, let's just say numbers aside. Do you think that 107.7 is still a compelling listen?Musically,personality or otherwise.Not counting the sham that the Arbitron system is.Does it still serve its main audience it once had?
 
KNDD needs to quit the BS talk (Loveline, Adam Carolla) and get SERIOUS about the music. And that means getting adventurous.

Since Marco Collins left, the station has floundered, mostly in tired old selections from it's glory years of the early '90s. It's lost it's sense of adventure and some of the crap they played this year (Playing Regina Spektor anywhere outside of Guantamano Bay is just wrong) isn't helping.

The End CAN be saved if it re-focuses on what made it work so well in the first place. And it wasn't just grunge and the latest radio industry gimmicks....
 
I didn't listen to The End before Adam Carolla so I can't compare. I check out Adam and find myself listening to Lazlo a little. If I'm going to listen to the radio for music I will listen to Kiss or Jack.
 
I didn't listen to The End before Adam Carolla so I can't compare
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Ok so I'm confused?!?!? You didn't listen to the end before Adam but somehow you still claim (incorrectly I might add) that the ends current numbers are better than the jocks from the late 90's and early 2000's, when the station pulled better 12+ numbers than KISW?

Now the End is in the toilet and KISW completely dominates. That's because KISW is programmed better musically, has a very successful and local morning show, as well as an afternoon show that focuses their attention on Seattle instead of trying to appeal to folks in Seattle and Kansas City at the same time.

The End can be fixed without the need for a format change, but its time for Entercom to wake up and make the necessary changes to turn things around.
 
I didn't have to listen to The End to look up the numbers. I don't listen to KZOK or KMPS but I can look at numbers and see their success.

Don't get confused. None of it matters to me. I don't care if The End changes format. It will matter very little to me. I was just observing the conversation and decided to present some facts.

Sorry to interupt. I'll be on my way.
 
Coming from the perspective of someone that experienced KYYX during my "formative years," I have to say that I'd love to see (hear?) The End go back to their roots music-wise. However, I don't have a problem with Adam's morning show or Loveline. In fact, I'd love to see more "shows" -- retro, local, import... even ones with a bit more talk. My current impression of rock radio is that there are two types of programming -- annoying Lazlo types or replaceable cookie-cutter jocks. I would really like to see a station where each part of the day had a distinct personality and that the jock/announcer/whatever is actually interested in the music and knowledgeable about it.

Personally, I love shows where it feels like the host is actually talking to you and wants to share a particular piece of music with you. For example, some bit of trivia about the music piece is great. This, of course, is easier with retro or local or import shows, but could be done with current music. Jim Keller on The End does a good job and I'm sure there are at least a few others.

But other than a few good folks, there seems to be very little PERSONality in modern radio. They're all either carbon-copy jocks or loudmouths. I'd rather listen to saccharine John Tesh than a Lazlo type.
 
It's been great seeing all the feedback on this forum. I suppose the sad thing is that they'll sit up there in the 'spam can' building
and do nothing about any of it, congratulating themselves on a phony number representation of what success is so they can jack up
ad rates and pretend that there is still an audience that cares.Anyone who really cares about music already has an ipod or moved onto satellite (on my way after i hit 'post'!).Radio,funny industry,goes against everything that a successful business model is,in the 'give the people what they want' credo.Will the last one on 107.7 Thee End please turn the lights off + as it's approaching Thanksgiving, put a fork in your afternoon entertainment program.
 
ambandwidth: "Anyone who really cares about music already has an ipod or moved onto satellite..."

Actually, I found an even better option: my own, personalized radio station via LaunchCast (Yahoo's radio/music program). It takes some effort, but the more you put into it, the more you get out. You rate songs, artists and albums. From that, it takes what you like and compares it to a huge database of what others like and plays not only the favorites you've specifically chosen, but also songs it thinks you will like. What is fascinating is that it can find the one song you might like from an artist you otherwise can't stand.

While I love to listen to my favorite songs, I also very much enjoy when it does what radio used to do: introduce me to new songs and artists, especially obscure ones. The commercials are minimal (about one 30-second break every 3 or 4 songs) and I can hit "skip" if I don't want to hear a song. The only downside is that I can only listen at my PC (though a good speaker system, though). Upside is that I have the option of buying most songs or albums that they play.

You might think that the system would go haywire if your musical tastes are too disparate, but it handles my liking The Clash, Sinatra, DEVO, Gershwin and Nellie McKay just fine.
 
Most of what I have to say about The End I've said here before.

The current programming set-up leaves me with basically a four hour window when I can expect to hear music on The End during the day, and another four hours in the evenings. Is this a music station, or a talk station.

Lazlo's show is absolutely unbearable. Its not funny. Its not clever. His constant Bush/republican bashing gets old and makes this political moderate wonder whether I've tuned into a really bad Air America program.

The one thing Lazlo has done, however, is set up a good mix of music. I love the station musically - but there just isn't enough music playing. Weekends were a joy to listen to, but with with the recent weekend DJ shuffle (where oh where is Bobby Hough? Rob Femur?) it's not quite as good.

Some posters in this thread have suggested that the End should just go to a late 80s/90s heavy rotation and bring back all the old DJs. Really? There's lots of good new rock music out there - Seattle should have a station playing it.

As far as DJs go, I'd rather see a market as highly ranked as Seattle be able to bring in or develop, new, exciting talent - we don't need retreads. While I would love a Marco Collins return, do we need Kim Monroe back? Not really. Jennifer White? That woman sounded like she was on downers the whole time she was here. I'd keep DJ No Name around - he's an incredibly versatile talent and has the only show on the whole station that I'm interested in listening to.

Something needs to change at the End and soon or the station is going to loose even more listeners.
 
Re:Lazlo has set up a good mix of music? Come on, Andy Harms and Jim Keller put the playlist together.
As far as 'retreads' on air,KZOK is a good example of cherry picked 'retreads'.Yes,but alternative is new!
How could you get new and exciting personalities when the music they play is neither 'new' or 'exciting'?

Next...
 
Lazlo kicked ass in Kansas City. I'm just sayin'... I'm out of the market, but from Seattle and have been a Lazlo fan for years. I think he fits the Alt lifestyle of Seatown very well. Better placed in mornings instead of Adam Corolla. We have him here locally and although somewhat entertaining, not the morning show that it's hyped to be. If I could program the end, I would do THIS:


Mornings - Lazlo / Afentra / Slim Fast

Mid Days - Bill Reid.... Nuff said..

Afternoons - Dick Dale or Gooch from KOMP 92.3 in Vegas. [ tune in the stream, this kid is GOOD! ]

Nights -- ANDY SAVAGE RETURNS! I'd pay him what he's worth too.

[ *nights and afternoons are interchangeable ]
 
rockradio1017 said:
Lazlo kicked ass in Kansas City. I'm just sayin'... I'm out of the market, but from Seattle and have been a Lazlo fan for years. I think he fits the Alt lifestyle of Seatown very well. Better placed in mornings instead of Adam Corolla. We have him here locally and although somewhat entertaining, not the morning show that it's hyped to be. If I could program the end, I would do THIS:


Mornings - Lazlo / Afentra / Slim Fast

Mid Days - Bill Reid.... Nuff said..

Afternoons - Dick Dale or Gooch from KOMP 92.3 in Vegas. [ tune in the stream, this kid is GOOD! ]

Nights -- ANDY SAVAGE RETURNS! I'd pay him what he's worth too.

[ *nights and afternoons are interchangeable ]
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Lazlo and Andy Savage, huh? 8 to 10 hours a day of no music being played. That's what The End needs. ::)

And Bill Reid? On a format that is supposed to be cutting edge? Yeah, let's take the 40-something guy currently backselling Honky Tonk Women and put him on in middays.

Let's call up Norman B to do afternoons while we're at it? Better yet, let's get Robin and Maynard to work on The End! :D
 
I never said no music..

Break every ten minutes on the tens.. 2 minute breaks.. 2 minute talk sets.. phoner crazy with 2 songs in between.

Dont think it will work?

it does here..

I'd do it mornings / mid days / afternoons and n i g h t s .. --- Lazlo is the best thing to happen to Seattle radio in twenty years. Change is good..
 
rockradio1017 said:
I never said no music.

Break every ten minutes on the tens.. 2 minute breaks.. 2 minute talk sets.. phoner crazy with 2 songs in between.
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Do the math on that, see if that all adds up. Hint: it doesn't.


rockradio1017 said:
Dont think it will work?
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No.


rockradio1017 said:
Lazlo is the best thing to happen to Seattle radio in twenty years.
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Too bad the folks who fill out the Arbitron diaries don't agree.
 
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