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There could be a sign for Smooth Jazz to come back

charles123 said:
van hespen said:
I know this has been discussed before, I just didn't follow it too closely....

What revenue and ratings success did the Smooth Jazz/the Oasis have in DFW before it was changed?

What makes the most sense for a format choice in the market today?

We know they are going to go after the biggest piece of the ratings and revenue pie. If my memory serves me correctly, the Oasis did not generate a stellar bottom line, but again, I don't remember too much regarding the previous discussions. If someone wouldn't mind a recap....thanks.

For one thing, a good strong signal. The signal on 107.5 isn't very good especially out of Dallas county.

MoViN' would do better if the signal were better - then again, I know not very many of you like their kind of music. Just sayin', though - since I live in Hunt County, a mere 60 miles outside the Metroplex going towards Texarkana, I have noticed, even today, that the signal is not all too great out here. For a time in the late 90's, and even going as recently as 2002, the signal at 107.5 had PLENTY of interference from L-3 Communications over in Greenville and even in a few other places that I don't know about. It got so bad during that time that I COULDN'T listen to Smooth Jazz for that reason. Then in 2002, I purchased a radio with a better antenna receiver.

I could go on about 96.7 The Twister - another station which I have struggled with signal-wise, even as Memories, which I still miss to this very day - but the relevant topic is Smooth Jazz, and for signal problems we'd have to start another forum topic. Signal problems - and the fact that most of the stations with great signals are all stuck playing Christmas music or some other form of junk - are the main reasons why I am struggling to find something to listen to today.
 
Doesn't 88.1 make it out there? They're licensed to Mckinney so I thought that signal would go further east than the stations licensed to Fort Worth or Dallas.
 
henderson_s454 said:
I could go on about 96.7 The Twister - another station which I have struggled with signal-wise, even as Memories, which I still miss to this very day - but the relevant topic is Smooth Jazz, and for signal problems we'd have to start another forum topic. Signal problems - and the fact that most of the stations with great signals are all stuck playing Christmas music or some other form of junk - are the main reasons why I am struggling to find something to listen to today.

The Twister is 1900 feet up with 90,000 watts - but their tower is between Bowie & Gainesville, a bit further than the usual Cedar Hill Gang.
 
jeffdfw said:
Smooth Jazz 97.1
Fort Worth - Dallas
ON AIR
5:00am – 9:00am The Ramsey Lewis Morning Show
8:00am – 9:00am The Commercial Free Music Hour
9:00am – 2:00pm Smooth Workday with Lynn Briggs
2:00pm – 7:00pm Dave Koz
7:00pm – Midnight Lights Out D/FW
Midnight – 5:00am Smooth Jazz all night long

Weekend Features...
Smooth Jazz Sunday Brunch
Allen Keppler’s Smooth Jazz Countdown

Coming Soon...
The Return of the Trip-A-Day Giveaway

Oooowe, Jeff. This looks like a salty line up. Ramsey's show is nice. I mean, good radio. Dave's show, eh, good tunes but he loves to ramble. Give me Tempe Lindsey for my drive home and I'm sold!
 
gradio said:
Doesn't 88.1 make it out there? They're licensed to Mckinney so I thought that signal would go further east than the stations licensed to Fort Worth or Dallas.

No, it really doesn't. While KNTU is licensed to McKinney (which is a whole 'nother story) their tower is still just north of Denton. They do run 100,000 watts ERP but their stick is very short by comparison (just under 450 feet) and they're somewhat directional: www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM506795.html
 
I think the Voice-over guy for DFW's Newest station which will debut on December 26th would be Bill Cochran. Cochran's Voice is heard on most Jazz stations, like KHJZ here in Houston-which is a distant 2nd behind KODA, in grabbing workday listeners.
 
Troy Goodwin said:
I think the Voice-over guy for DFW's Newest station which will debut on December 26th would be Bill Cochran. Cochran's Voice is heard on most Jazz stations, like KHJZ here in Houston-which is a distant 2nd behind KODA, in grabbing workday listeners.

That's a genius selection... but if they wanted to strike some local folklore, include Vanderslice in some bumpers. Just for nostalgia sake.
 
Now it has happened in Baltimore...

CC's smooth jazz WSMJ in Baltimore has added BA's Smooth Jazz Network Ramsey Lewis (mornings) & Dave Koz (PM drive) on Tuesday, Nov. 27.

WSMJ PD Lori Lewis remarked that the audience and the advertisers have responded with excitement over both talents. 8)

http://www.wsmj1043.com/main.html
 
jeffdfw said:
Here is the main network site if you are interested...

http://www.smoothjazznetwork.com/

See there, they are taking the ESPN approach to braodcasting... if they have success in the field, they must be great on-air.

Memo to idiot GMs, both Emmitt Smith (ESPN) and Kenny G (Smooth Jazz)...eh, not so much.
 
Why do stations go to the "canned" Ramsey Lewis show in the morning and "canned" Dave Koz station
in the afternoon, "other" than $$$$$.

Wouldn't it be best to have local talent on the air?

I always like Rick Vanderslice, Trevor Lay, and Tempie Lindsey, myself. Lynn Briggs as well, but she is in
Vegas now.
 
The question was brought up about the OASIS and its billing. Apparently from my dealings with them they seem to be changing mid management (sales managers) quite often. It led me to believe that CBS didn't have the right leadership for the format or they didn't give it time. I still think it can be a nice revenue generator if your creative with the station. It takes the right attitude to sell the format. Lets face it regardless of what KEGL does its all about the Benjamins. DFW is a great market for the format and when it comes to the business side of the format who wouldn't want to target their business to the Smooth Jazz listener.
 
We had a discussion here about that a few months ago. During my short stay there in 2003, the problem was that the long-term AEs were selling mainly KLUV and KVIL, and only sold for The Oasis upon request of a client. The AEs assigned specifically to KOAI were newbies. We did remotes at weird places like some new attorney's office in an ancient building on Commerce St downtown (Dallas;) some single-location, privately-owned beauty supply on Walnut Hill and Central; a tanning salon in south Arlington; a model home in Little Elm; and a CPA in that old rent-a-room office building on Forest Central next to Academy. Yeah, some real heavy hitters in there. Yes, those were REMOTES; nearly all with talent on hand.

Naturally, as we discussed before, the AEs, let alone the sales manager, had no clue about how to sell the station and to who. I remember them setting up a deal with a new club called the "Milk Bar" (on Lower Greenville; since closed.) After running a happy hour buffet and drink specials on one given night of the week (as an "Oasis Night" or something,) the Milk Bar management pulled the plug on the deal, *supposedly* and *alledgedly* saying that they didn't know the station catered to 'all these black people' and 'that's not the crowd we want in here.'

Another problem is when you have those aging AEs who have the choice, cherry accounts assigned to them, and they merely sit there and cash the checks. No need to peddle The Oasis to any of them; just keep 'em buying the safest bets (KVIL and KLUV) and laugh all the way to the bank. For every one Red Bird Ford and Massey Cadillac spot on KOAI, there were 10 for "Mega Tan" or "Vo'Nique's Beauty Supply" or whoever.

Selling a smooth jazz format to advertisers takes some work and research. But once you realize you have the affluent white AND black audience to peddle to, it's really not that tough. Higher-end cars...vacation packages...houses...financial advice...nighttime MBA programs...and much, much more.

But the other issue here is that when you bring in a cast of untrained newbies to do your selling, they get discouraged easily, as they are too pressured and focused on making SOMETHING happen quickly that they lose any sense of creativity and the time it takes to "work" an account. Management puts heavy expectations on them to produce NOW, and no matter what ace-in-the-hole you scored yesterday, well...that was yesterday, and what are you doing today? At KVIL, David Henry was giving short-term draws then cutting the AEs off after 3 months and onto straight commission. If you didn't make something major happen in 6-9 months, well, goodbye. Oh, and by the way, here's a list of accounts that are "claimed" and you can't sell to.

Getting no allegiance, no patience, and a constant "what have you done for me lately" attitude...frankly, I'm surprised the suicide rate isn't higher amongst media salespeople.

Back to the point, your typical AE who's selling a Smooth Jazz format had better come to grips quickly with the fact that it's not a 'just black' or 'just white' or a tight age demo format, and go sell it with the same confidence that you'd sell your top biller or top ratings-getter in your cluster. Can it really be that difficult?!?
 
MikeShannon914 said:
We had a discussion here about that a few months ago. During my short stay there in 2003, the problem was that the long-term AEs were selling mainly KLUV and KVIL, and only sold for The Oasis upon request of a client. The AEs assigned specifically to KOAI were newbies. We did remotes at weird places like some new attorney's office in an ancient building on Commerce St downtown (Dallas;) some single-location, privately-owned beauty supply on Walnut Hill and Central; a tanning salon in south Arlington; a model home in Little Elm; and a CPA in that old rent-a-room office building on Forest Central next to Academy. Yeah, some real heavy hitters in there. Yes, those were REMOTES; nearly all with talent on hand.

Naturally, as we discussed before, the AEs, let alone the sales manager, had no clue about how to sell the station and to who. I remember them setting up a deal with a new club called the "Milk Bar" (on Lower Greenville; since closed.) After running a happy hour buffet and drink specials on one given night of the week (as an "Oasis Night" or something,) the Milk Bar management pulled the plug on the deal, *supposedly* and *alledgedly* saying that they didn't know the station catered to 'all these black people' and 'that's not the crowd we want in here.'

Another problem is when you have those aging AEs who have the choice, cherry accounts assigned to them, and they merely sit there and cash the checks. No need to peddle The Oasis to any of them; just keep 'em buying the safest bets (KVIL and KLUV) and laugh all the way to the bank. For every one Red Bird Ford and Massey Cadillac spot on KOAI, there were 10 for "Mega Tan" or "Vo'Nique's Beauty Supply" or whoever.

Selling a smooth jazz format to advertisers takes some work and research. But once you realize you have the affluent white AND black audience to peddle to, it's really not that tough. Higher-end cars...vacation packages...houses...financial advice...nighttime MBA programs...and much, much more.

But the other issue here is that when you bring in a cast of untrained newbies to do your selling, they get discouraged easily, as they are too pressured and focused on making SOMETHING happen quickly that they lose any sense of creativity and the time it takes to "work" an account. Management puts heavy expectations on them to produce NOW, and no matter what ace-in-the-hole you scored yesterday, well...that was yesterday, and what are you doing today? At KVIL, David Henry was giving short-term draws then cutting the AEs off after 3 months and onto straight commission. If you didn't make something major happen in 6-9 months, well, goodbye. Oh, and by the way, here's a list of accounts that are "claimed" and you can't sell to.

Getting no allegiance, no patience, and a constant "what have you done for me lately" attitude...frankly, I'm surprised the suicide rate isn't higher amongst media salespeople.

Back to the point, your typical AE who's selling a Smooth Jazz format had better come to grips quickly with the fact that it's not a 'just black' or 'just white' or a tight age demo format, and go sell it with the same confidence that you'd sell your top biller or top ratings-getter in your cluster. Can it really be that difficult?!?

EXACTLY...Well said Mike!!!!!!!!
 
Mike YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY.......And when a Director of sales allows that type of thing to happen over and over, then the upper management should look at actually changing the DOS. Not the format. You described as a former boss of mine once called order takers. The type that just waits on Agency XYZ to give them the avail request, they fill it out and then they get the order, year after year. Any sales assistant (no offense to sales assistants) could handle their accounts. Since its just paper work anyway. Use to see them in Clear Channel, you saw them in CBS, and I have seen them at other companies. The Market Manager if he was aware of what D. Henry was doing should have made the change there. CBS blew it locally with the OASIS. If CC does Jazz I am thinking they will do a better job with it. Don't know how much better, but better. By the way, based on RAB info the formats 79% of the audience makes $75k. If your a guy, regardless of what flavor the audience is, you should be able to turn that audience into some serious cheddar as my little brother would say.
 
MikeShannon914 said:
"Vo'Nique's Beauty Supply"


Vo'Nique's is still open????????? ;D
 
Any new formats in DFW will be cheap formats. The days of full experienced staffs are history. Get ready for more JACK-FM formats and a lot more voice-tracking and syndication. The current corporate climate is all about running cheap and not about long-term investment. Get used to it. The McDonaldization of radio is here and it ain't going away anytime in the forseeable future.
 
Eye Lipson said:
Any new formats in DFW will be cheap formats. The days of full experienced staffs are history. Get ready for more JACK-FM formats and a lot more voice-tracking and syndication. The current corporate climate is all about running cheap and not about long-term investment. Get used to it. The McDonaldization of radio is here and it ain't going away anytime in the forseeable future.

:( :'(

R
 
Mike and Eye you are on it! Looking for Smooth Jazz to come back to Dallas would be the same as having gotten rid of HBO for awhile because you got tired of it, then getting it back because you missed it, but find it to be the same ol thing. And it's the same ol thing everyone else in the country gets. Same with Smooth Jazz. I used to love listening to SJ stations when out of town to hear different leanings of it. If/when Dallas gets it, it'll be the same as in Baltimore, Dayton, Columbus, most everywhere else. When you get it, we know you won't have it any differently. We'll hear the same hosts and music. Might as well listen to a stream until the same thing comes your way. It's basically Smooth Jazz on cable.

A thought. Dave Koz won a R&R Award for best afternoon show on WNUA I think. Well, couldn't ANY station claim to have an award winning afternoon host in Koz if you carry him, even if your station sucks in the ratings? I'm surprised no one's caught on to that yet. If any BA host wins a national performance award, all stations can lay claim to it and sell that, not just one station. How can one station run Koz better than another? Or Ramsey for that matter. It's like, WSMJ pushes the buttons better on Koz than WLVE, so WSMJ gets the award for the show?
 
stevezodiac said:
Vo'Nique's is still open????????? ;D

Actually, her sister, You'Nique, is running things now. ;D

Saw someone on Springer about 8 years ago named "Vo'Nique" and that name's just stuck in my head ever since. Of course, the apoxtrophe is mandatory.
 
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