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Three 6 Mafia vs Commercial Appeal

Devil's Advocate time:

Who exactly are you trying to protect when you protest 3-6 being at the BSMF?

It's not like you're going to see a lot of parents bringing their 11-year-olds to the Festival.

Unless it's Alec Baldwin, but that 11-year-old probably wouldn't be at home to be picked up.
 
MemBirdman said:
It's not like you're going to see a lot of parents bringing their 11-year-olds to the Festival.


Yes, you (I) do. Many, many kids. Some younger...some in strollers. Thousands in thier teens.
 
Irony time #2
So, people do not approve of Three 6's Lyrics.....But we have a mansion devoted to a guy who's hips were considered dangerous and we not allowed to be shown on TV?
And I am sure all those toddlers in the strollers are packin' heat and can not wait to fire off some rounds when hearing Juicy J spout out some lyrics...No, they'll just be getting a contact high from their parents while watching the Allman Brothers..the same parents that think the Three 6 Lyrics are "the devil's words".
Double Standards: upholding America's hatred for over 200 years.
 
Comparing Elvis' swiveling hips to Three-Six's nasty lyrics is the silliest thing I've seen on this board in a while.
I never heard Elvis call anyone a "ho" on a record or in concert , much less include any of the far cruder things you'll hear on a Three-Six record.

On the other side, he has promised to clean it up some for the MIM crowd..so this very well may be much ado about nothing.

Finally, the parents you describe smokin' and giving the kids a "contact-buzz" are very likely NOT to be the same people that would be complaining about the Three-Six lyrics...and you KNOW that.

If you are going to impress us and make your point with "logic", at least be sure the "logic" part is real.
 
radiosaur said:
MemBirdman said:
It's not like you're going to see a lot of parents bringing their 11-year-olds to the Festival.


Yes, you (I) do. Many, many kids. Some younger...some in strollers. Thousands in thier teens.

Really? Geez, I wouldn't have thought so. Course, I saw four-year-olds brought by their parents into the theatre for "Training Day."
 
Meep,
Obviously you missed the point of my post. People complaining about an artist's words in 2007 is just as silly as people complaining about Elvis' hips gyrating 50 years previously. Back then people thought that was the "devil's music" and once kids heard it, they would start fornicating RIGHT THERE on the street.
The 60's had those Beatles hoodlums with their 'hair' and 'songs' ruining America's youth....they are now the same youth that are running corporations and buying Corvettes. No harm, no foul.
Then in 70's...it was KISS, Sabbath...the lyrics were going to prompt us to KILL KILL KILL! Last I checked, my dad hasn't killed anyone or himself for that matter. all KISS did was raise the sale of make up...
The 90's had Kurt Cobain and his 'dirty grunge' look and lyrics about suicide and rape....The Gen X'ers seem to be doing just fine. Just a little forgotten by the marketing world.
Now: Three 6, and their derrogatory(sp) lyrics towards women....Yep it's the words coming out of thier mouths that cause all the hatred and wife beating. Nope, can't blame society, upbringing, parenting. Must be the lyrics.
Let's blame someone, ANYONE, but ourselves.
As for my Allman Bros. comment. How do you know any better than me what the parent's are doing?
Oh, you're right. I've NEVER smelled any illegal substances being smoked by anyone over the age of 17 @ Music Fest, or anywhere for that matter.
Noone seems to mind that a guy that married his cousin is playing and 'influencing our youths' at music fest.
I guess actions DON'T speak louder than words.
 
Also, wasn't Elvis with his safe lyrics the one shooting guns off @ his house and partaking in 'extra' activites? I have to be careful to invoke the all holy 'Elvis' down here.
 
Well, okay. I guess it's a little easier to see your point.

The main difference is, that while we all know it was silly to have so many issues with Elvis' hips in the late 50's/early 60's, there's STILL NO GOOD TIME to be in front of children spewing the nasty lyrics. Kids back in the day only thought Elvis was dancing weird to the music he was playing. They wouldn't have known what he was being "suggestive" about.
It's pretty easy-once they've figured out language, to figure out what "Slap that nasty ho" or some such means-even for a young kid.

Next..I promise you that your Dad (nor pretty much anyone you know) was a harder rocker than me, (nor had longer hair, smoked more, or whatever), but read what I wrote again, please.

I NEVER said there weren't people there burning doobs, nor even doing it in front of their children.
What I said was...that those parents are most likely NOT THE ONES COMPLAINING ABOUT THREE-SIX.
Got it?
I don't mind someone being of a different opinion than me, I just like to make sure we're talking about the same point.

Besides, if "Juicy" cleans it up like he said he would...we're just wasting space.
If we're gonna waste space; let's do it with "Brad" posts or something.

Let me guess...you're a democrat, right?

(That's attempted humor, BTW!) ;D
 
NinjaBoot said:
Meep,
Obviously you missed the point of my post. People complaining about an artist's words in 2007 is just as silly as people complaining about Elvis' hips gyrating 50 years previously. Back then people thought that was the "devil's music" and once kids heard it, they would start fornicating RIGHT THERE on the street.
The 60's had those Beatles hoodlums with their 'hair' and 'songs' ruining America's youth....they are now the same youth that are running corporations and buying Corvettes. No harm, no foul.
Then in 70's...it was KISS, Sabbath...the lyrics were going to prompt us to KILL KILL KILL! Last I checked, my dad hasn't killed anyone or himself for that matter. all KISS did was raise the sale of make up...
The 90's had Kurt Cobain and his 'dirty grunge' look and lyrics about suicide and rape....The Gen X'ers seem to be doing just fine. Just a little forgotten by the marketing world.
Now: Three 6, and their derrogatory(sp) lyrics towards women....Yep it's the words coming out of thier mouths that cause all the hatred and wife beating. Nope, can't blame society, upbringing, parenting. Must be the lyrics.
Let's blame someone, ANYONE, but ourselves.
As for my Allman Bros. comment. How do you know any better than me what the parent's are doing?
Oh, you're right. I've NEVER smelled any illegal substances being smoked by anyone over the age of 17 @ Music Fest, or anywhere for that matter.
Noone seems to mind that a guy that married his cousin is playing and 'influencing our youths' at music fest.
I guess actions DON'T speak louder than words.

Shall we add in the rise in per capita rapes, murders, instances of sexually transmitted diseases, suicides, etc etc since the 50s to your history mix and see if there is a relationship?

It would be quite off topic, but there is evidence to back up the theory that a society's music has direct bearing on its civility. The notion goes all the way back to Plato. With todays' lack of parenting, upbringing, etc, where do the kids get their foundations for social interaction? From music.

We discussed this in a criminal justice class I took a few years back.
 
36mafia is all about the truth..wake up people the revolution is coming.Can you feel it. this ain't abunch of glen campbell and lone star world. Its hard out there for the havenots. Freedom baby.Living in america. If 93x can play ozzie and his sweet leaf and 102.7 can play lead zeplin ...then we can play on to. Clicky offy yer radio if u ain't happy. ms. thomas needs to wake up. ;D
 
What use to be ok is now wrong and what people use to know as wrong is now ok.. and just look around at the murder rate and crime rate in general!! This is not working!! Any common sence at all could see this!! Ray Charles could see this!!
 
haha, Meep.
I don't think myself a Dem, Rep, or Indie really. I see the political parties really as the same devil w/a different mask. This is why my ultimate plan is to move to Canada and live off the land for the rest of my days. With my PS2 and foozeball table of course.
This discussion has me thinking....what does Brad think about all this and how would he handle it? ..jk

If there is a direct correlation(sp) of music in society influencing the actions of that society, then we are in some serious trouble. I always believed that music was a relflection of society, not the other way around. Ex: Music during the Vietnam war. The music didn't start the conflict, the music was a representation of the thoughts, beliefs, and feelings of that generation.
When it comes to Three 6's lyrics, I would like to believe they are writing from a culture/society/generation that we do not understand. People write about what they know mostly (though the imagination is a WONDERFUL thing that humans gain early but are losing due to TV and constant sensory bombardment and it's hindering of the healthy growth of the imagination, but that's a topic for a different discussion). Sadly, from what I have been told, I believe that Three 6 may be writing some of their stuff not out of aggression of society placement, but more for the $$ and the ability to write what they think people want to hear. How can you claim the 'hood' when you went to Briarcrest? That's a conversation for a different time.
I would like to reitterate(sp) that I DO NOT condone the use of harsh words in describing ANYONE for that matter. The worse thing you could ever possibly do is harm a human being in any way.
Voltaire once said, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire was an optimist (haha)
It seems that every generation's evolvement of music has it's 'rough' trends in style. There will always be pop, classical, etc. It's the 'hardcore, crunk, oi, etc' that we now have to worry about affecting society. The lyrics in the music will decide the actions of the society, not the other way around. Kids will be born, the parents will forget them, and instead of plopping them down in front of the make-shift babysitter(the TV) they will just let them do what ever, listen to whatever, but not say whatever.

See, I can debate from both sides.

Maybe instead of complaining about a person's words, we should attempt to figure out why such hatred is said, and why it is accepted on such a grand scale.
When I was a kid, I was allowed to watch Roadhouse, Lethal Weapon, and Nightmare on Elm St., etc. but my parents took the time to explain to me the movies, why it was fantasy, and how such actions in society would not be right in any way shape or form.

I miss college. I could write a whole term paper about the discussions debated on this board. ....you think anyone does that?

What ultimaty worries me is that 'Freedom of speech' will be you being able to say what ever you want, but in a closed home w/the windows shut and noone else around. Corporations have become the new governement. They may not be able to stop your ability to say something, but they will pull the advertising from the owner of the microphone you are using.
I know you could just go and buy a radio station/microphone...but have you seen the price lately? This is not in the abilities of the average American.

This post has gone on WAY to long. I was not able to get into everything wanted, but that was out of being polite to those whose eyes have to go through all this.

Let's be honest....nothing'll change. We will go about our lives. Next week something else will be in the news, and all this will be forgotten.

Good thing there are 3 stages @ Music Fest. Parents will have choices on what the kids can hear. Just like a dial on a radio.....hmmmm

The soapbox is now open.
 
rapmaster said:
36mafia is all about the truth..wake up people the revolution is coming.Can you feel it. this ain't abunch of glen campbell and lone star world. Its hard out there for the havenots. Freedom baby.Living in america. If 93x can play ozzie and his sweet leaf and 102.7 can play lead zeplin ...then we can play on to. Clicky offy yer radio if u ain't happy. ms. thomas needs to wake up. ;D

Never mind that there's no "truth" whatsoever in the objectification of women--please tell me that mangling of grammar and verbiage was intentional, to make some sort of statement. I would be shocked to learn that "rapmaster" and "competent user of the English language" are mutually exclusive terms.

Shocked, I tell you.
 
Stop the presses!! I can see the headlines now::The show went on despite the CA editor's public outcry to stop them for coming home to perform.. Contrary to what they and many others believe, but the world is still spinning, no violent outburst, it was a huge and very diverse turnout, just entertainment to that portion of society. No big fan here, but I watched them from afar..Good performance, and it was funny when they slick brought up the whole newspaper issue and ask the crowd if they wanted them (the group- Three Six) to return to next year's festival and everyone shouted hell yeah in harmony, I'm sure the organizers will see those $$$ signs way before they see anything else, and yours truly still won't lose any sleep over the whole ordeal.
 
radio_head said:
Stop the presses!! I can see the headlines now::The show went on despite the CA editor's public outcry to stop them for coming home to perform.. Contrary to what they and many others believe, but the world is still spinning, no violent outburst, it was a huge and very diverse turnout, just entertainment to that portion of society. No big fan here, but I watched them from afar..Good performance, and it was funny when they slick brought up the whole newspaper issue and ask the crowd if they wanted them (the group- Three Six) to return to next year's festival and everyone shouted hell yeah in harmony, I'm sure the organizers will see those $$$ signs way before they see anything else, and yours truly still won't lose any sleep over the whole ordeal.

Actually, there were several violent outbursts...but to be fair, there was also trouble at the Jerry Lee stage.

But you are right. the $$$ will prevail..and Sum41 was nasiter than Three 6.
 
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