Ticket Butt Smooching on this so-called board

[easttxtv]

And when the on-airs/board-ops/etc. there do talk about sports, they know so much more than I would ever learn...plus, how often *lately* have so many had the same good opinion about listening to any station in DFW?? Doesn't happen very much anymore, unfortunately.

Oh, and thread-starter, none of this message was brought to you by Charmin or whoever makes lip gloss nowadays either!!

 

[dfwtexn]

The Gentle Musers were supposed to have a funeral but if they did, I missed it.

 

[jdean]

Let's see. Build something completely unique in a highly competitive environment, and make it commercially succesful. Inspire passionate dislike, but vastly greater passionate affinity. Adapt to staff changes and become better over time. Be flexible enough to not only handle your stated focus with expertise, but unforeseen events and disaster with humanity, grace, and even humor.

Hmmm. Yeah, I'll smooch that butt.

Among the many things The Ticket has done well is to recognize that while alot of people are avid sportsfans, they also do not all live and breathe a constant discussion of stats, lineups, averages, yards per carry, draft choice, and combine performances. Such might be "real sports", but it is also narrow, myopic, and - to a huge degree - asinine. Just this side of the people who care about nothing else was (and is) a huge slice of people who think the fringe needs to get a life. What The Ticket did and does was offer one. Sports, through the prism of everything else...in perspective. Brilliantly done.

I take a look at very succesful stations or people such as Kraddick, Jay, Dorsey, Joiner, and many others and find what they've managed admirable and enviable. Some might say they've succeeded because of a lack of serious competition, but if it was that simple everyone could do it. Everyone can't. What they have done - Rhyner and his cast of looneys included - is put themselves out there on the limb, in public, where you either succeed or fall in full view of everyone. And - like the guy at the bar who thinks he knows how to quarterback in the NFL because he played in high school - you have to ask: Where's your ring?

 

[longtimelistener]

Very well said, Jody. Thanks.

 

[RADIO TRUTH]

No butt kissing here.....The Ticket is, by far, the worst, most amateurish sports talk station in a major market in the U. S. It sounds like almost everyone on the station has never worked in broadcasting before and the ticket idiots spend more time talking about non sports crap than sports. The ticket is far inferior to a station like WFAN.

 

[1Letterman]

No butt kissing here.....The Ticket is, by far, the worst, most amateurish sports talk station in a major market in the U. S. It sounds like almost everyone on the station has never worked in broadcasting before and the ticket idiots spend more time talking about non sports crap than sports. The ticket is far inferior to a station like WFAN.

Enjoying the sour grapes? Have some more. They're right next to the decaf there, which you might also want to try.

The Ticket is the best station of its kind in the country. But even if you don't like their sound, you can't argue with their level of success. Those guys are just very, very smart about what they do. And picking the right people to do it. And they've done it all--even if you don't like them on the air--with integrity and professionalism.

That anyone can dirty their diapers about the level of success they've built over the last 13 years is science fiction of the highest order.

 

[salemjedi54]

No butt kissing here.....The Ticket is, by far, the worst, most amateurish sports talk station in a major market in the U. S. It sounds like almost everyone on the station has never worked in broadcasting before and the ticket idiots spend more time talking about non sports crap than sports. The ticket is far inferior to a station like WFAN.

Hey Radio...did you help your station make 24 million dollars today? Did you help your station make 24 million dollars yesterday. If you did, they your station is a success like the little Ticket. Its as simple as black and white. If you don't like it, don't listen. I can't stand 97.9 The Beat or K104, so you know what....I DON'T LISTEN TO THEM. They are not programed to me, but I have to acknowledge their success.

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

Hmmm. Yeah, I'll smooch that butt.

In Ticket fashion, JD... "MARK THAT" ;D

No butt kissing here.....The Ticket is, by far, the worst, most amateurish sports talk station in a major market in the U. S. It sounds like almost everyone on the station has never worked in broadcasting before and the ticket idiots spend more time talking about non sports crap than sports. The ticket is far inferior to a station like WFAN.

Well, come on guys. When you are obviously broadcasting IBOC in Bismarck, N.D. like our colleague Radio Truth here, grandiose success and groundbreaking radio like KTCK is a little pill hada to swallow Oh, Truth? May want to check your memos, but even WFAN acknowledge the greatness of the little Ticket. No butt kissing, just stating...um... what to do they call that again? Uh, oh yeah... the truth.

 

[little1]

No butt kissing here.....The Ticket is, by far, the worst, most amateurish sports talk station in a major market in the U. S. It sounds like almost everyone on the station has never worked in broadcasting before and the ticket idiots spend more time talking about non sports crap than sports. The ticket is far inferior to a station like WFAN.

Hey Radio...did you help your station make 24 million dollars today? Did you help your station make 24 million dollars yesterday. If you did, they your station is a success like the little Ticket. Its as simple as black and white. If you don't like it, don't listen. I can't stand 97.9 The Beat or K104, so you know what....I DON'T LISTEN TO THEM. They are not programed to me, but I have to acknowledge their success.

Well, the guy is entitled to his opinion...And he may really think that the ticket is "the worst, most amateurish sports station in a major market in the US"

What makes me giggle about his opinion is that they JUST won the Marconi. So the experts in their field just picked them as the BEST sports station in the country. Yes, even beating WFAN.

But okay, maybe they've COMPLETELY snookered multiple judges on multiple levels and gamed the Marconi somehow...That they've got an award they don't deserve...

Then explain Saelmjedi's point. They are number one in their demo (M25-54), top 3 to 5 in the most heavily sold demo (A25-54) and (last I checked) the 2nd highest biller in the market, behind only WBAP.

In other words, they're viewed as a success amongst their peers, they're popular with their target market, and they're popular with advertisers...

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

In other words, they're viewed as a success amongst their peers, they're popular with their target market, and they're popular with advertisers...

And that was all with Greggo riding shotgun on the Hardline. (Non-sequitar, I know... but had to go there ;D)

 

[little1]

I guess I just have a huge problem with people who say something like "so and so SUCKS", but then have little to nothing to back it up except for personal opinion.

Because generally, the problem isn't, like in this case, that the Ticket "sucks", it's that they might not be this guys cup of tea.

And I can respect that. There are a number of stations in this market that i don't 'get', so I usually refrain from commenting on them.

For example, everybody here seems to hate Movin'. Since I'm not a 25-30-35 year old woman (their probable target audience) I don't really know if their music is 'right', if their contests appeal to that marekt, etc...

So I don't come on here and bash them and yearn for the return of Smooth Jazz, because I don't know enough about Movin', and don't care enough to research them to see if they're doing a good job or not...

If you want to tell me the Ticket sucks, go ahead. It's just hard to take that seriously when the industry, the audience and the advertisers all seem to disagree. Like I said, bring something to the table.

For those of you that don't like the Ticket, the usual complaint seems to be 'they don't talk enough sports'. Okay then, how much, exactly is 'enough'?

100%? What about days (like the day before and after MLB's all star game when there's no other games of any kind on) where there's no real sports to talk about.

If a gas distributor in downtown Dallas catches fire and there's fireballs shooting into the air, can they talk about that? What about a 9-11 type event?

"Hey Rocco Pendola here, There's 3000 dead in New York, the WTC has collapsed, but we're taking your fantasy football calls at 787-1310, Me, I'd take Brady over Manning, talk me out of it right now at 787-1310..."

 

[RADIO TRUTH]

If the ticket is making money, it just shows how bad the rest of the Dallas radio market is and has always been. Dallas, as a radio market, has never had the talent that you would think the 5th rated market would have. That is because Dallas radio stations pay their personalities next to nothing. That is why ABC Radio moved their 24 formats to Dallas around 1990 so they could pay next to nothing. Put the ticket in New York and nobody would know they existed.

 

[1Letterman]

If the ticket is making money, it just shows how bad the rest of the Dallas radio market is and has always been. Dallas, as a radio market, has never had the talent that you would think the 5th rated market would have. That is because Dallas radio stations pay their personalities next to nothing. That is why ABC Radio moved their 24 formats to Dallas around 1990 so they could pay next to nothing. Put the ticket in New York and nobody would know they existed.

1. IF The Ticket is making money? Can't you read? Don't you have even a blip of knowledge about this radio market? There's no IF. They ARE making money. Hand over fist.

2. If we're to believe your spurious claim, the REST of the market trails them. Why no "Movin' SUCKS!" or "The BONE SUCKS"? If we are to believe your logic, the REST of the stations pale in comparison to The Ticket. Why would you be so upset if the other stations are even worse? Logically, you should be railing against the LESSER stations and not burn the LEADER at the stake.

3. Dallas has NEVER had that kind of talent, eh? You do know what NEVER means, don't you? Ever hear of Verne Lundquist? I think he was pretty national, but started here. Norm Hitzges is a national caliber radio talent. Ron Chapman was a trend-setting pioneer nationwide. BY THE WAY, THE TICKET JUST WON A MARCONI. I don't know how much more national talent cred you need than that. I'm sure some longtime Dallas residents can tell you about much more.

4. Think The Hardliners or Musers don't make much money??? LOL! How 'bout Russ Martin? Define what "making nothing" is.

5. Put The Ticket in NYC and it would draw huge listenership. At the very least, the guys at WFAN have VERY often given cred to The Ticket. THEY appreciate them, but I guess you feel more comfortable speaking for them than listening to them.

6. You'll appear far less stupid if you stick to making accusations with some basis in reality on this planet.

 

[little1]

If the ticket is making money, it just shows how bad the rest of the Dallas radio market is and has always been. Dallas, as a radio market, has never had the talent that you would think the 5th rated market would have. That is because Dallas radio stations pay their personalities next to nothing. That is why ABC Radio moved their 24 formats to Dallas around 1990 so they could pay next to nothing. Put the ticket in New York and nobody would know they existed.

Yep, this whole market sucks. Both Marconi winners in town sucks, national talent like Kraddick, they all suck...

But enlighten us. If Dallas doesn't have talent, can you point us to some people in smaller markets that you think are 5th level market talent?

And where are you getting your info on payrolls? Because what I've discovered, is that AM and PM drive pay very well. It's nights and middays that lack somewhat. But then considering that most stations get a whole lot more for drives that 10-3p or 7p-Mid (not to mention ROS) that makes perfect sense. Why pay 60K for a position when you get the same or maybe even better ratings paying that person 30 or 40K.

And I thought ABC moved their studios here because office space was incredibly cheap in Dallas, because being centrally located was better timezone-wise for the vast majority of jocks and affiliates (IOW a 'morning show' on here 5-9a would be 6-10 EST, since those 2 time zones cover the most major markets) and because Texas was a right to work state and they had an easier time replacing engineers/b. ops/producers etc with no unions like in Chicago...)

And one last thing- maybe you're right that no one would listen to the Ticket in NYC. But remember one thing. Howard never made it to #1 in this market. Oh he did well, but he never could break through all that competition. Like the "Musers". They appeal to the same basic demo- you don't think that at least SOME people in NYC might listen? I don't remember what the ESPN affiliate up there is/was (1020?)but they never made much of an impact on the Fan, did they? Probably because they were doing the same basic thing, straight sports....That would be an interesting 'what if'. What if someone had tried a ticket style (sports and schtick both) sports station up against the Fan...
I think instead of having on Torre, etc all the time (like the Fan does) it might be entertaining to hear the Fake Torre argue with the fake A-rod...

 

[little1]

If the ticket is making money, it just shows how bad the rest of the Dallas radio market is and has always been.

And if this market is so bad, to paraphrase SalemJedi, what are you doing to make your station 24 million bucks a year? After all, if the rest of the market is so bad, it shouldn't be that hard to come in and dominate it, right? So show us radio truth. What's your plan to knock WBAP and KTCK off their perch? How long till we're singing your stations praises?

 

[Robert Bass]

I guess I just have a huge problem with people who say something like "so and so SUCKS", but then have little to nothing to back it up except for personal opinion.

Saying so-and-so sucks is the same as saying so-and-so is a great station. They are both opinions. Opinions don't need examples to back them up.

R

 

[salemjedi54]

If a gas distributor in downtown Dallas catches fire and there's fireballs shooting into the air, can they talk about that? What about a 9-11 type event?

"Hey Rocco Pendola here, There's 3000 dead in New York, the WTC has collapsed, but we're taking your fantasy football calls at 787-1310, Me, I'd take Brady over Manning, talk me out of it right now at 787-1310..."

Exactly. Some of the best radio The little Ticket has done was during 9/11/01 and the days following. I wish I could get a compact disc of their coverage. It was truly engaging radio.

 

[RADIO TRUTH]

Addressing the above.....

The ABC 24 networks moved to Dallas because of the non union environment and the ability to pay next to nothing in wages. Cheap office space didn't hurt either. If Verne Lundquist, Norm Hitzges and Ron Chapman are the best you can come up with, you make my point about the lack of talent in Dallas better than I could. That is nothing for a market the size of Dallas. There are smaller markets than Dallas that have yielded much more talent than Dallas. The best jock to ever work in Dallas was Dan Ingram, who was in Dallas at KBOX for the year of 1959, went to WIL, St. Louis in 1960, went to WABC, New York in 1961 and never looked back. Ron Chapman could never have made it in New York, L. A., Chicago or Philly. KLIF was a bland, bible belt sounding radio station in comparison to WABC, WMCA, KFWB, WCFL, WLS, WFIL or WIBG. Chapman was good for Dallas but, the standards are lower in Dallas. Another good Dallas jock was Russ Knight the weird beard. As far as people in New York listening to the ticket if it was in New York.....Not in a thousand years. New Yorkers are much too sophisticated to relate to the backwardness of the ticket on-air staff. The ticket personalities may woo the Dallas locals but, they would be way too corn pone to cut it in New York, L. A., Chicago or Philly.

 

[salemjedi54]

Addressing the above.....

The ABC 24 networks moved to Dallas because of the non union environment and the ability to pay next to nothing in wages. Cheap office space didn't hurt either. If Verne Lundquist, Norm Hitzges and Ron Chapman are the best you can come up with, you make my point about the lack of talent in Dallas better than I could. That is nothing for a market the size of Dallas. There are smaller markets than Dallas that have yielded much more talent than Dallas. The best jock to ever work in Dallas was Dan Ingram, who was in Dallas at KBOX for the year of 1959, went to WIL, St. Louis in 1960, went to WABC, New York in 1961 and never looked back. Ron Chapman could never have made it in New York, L. A., Chicago or Philly. KLIF was a bland, bible belt sounding radio station in comparison to WABC, WMCA, KFWB, WCFL, WLS, WFIL or WIBG. Chapman was good for Dallas but, the standards are lower in Dallas. Another good Dallas jock was Russ Knight the weird beard. As far as people in New York listening to the ticket if it was in New York.....Not in a thousand years. New Yorkers are much too sophisticated to relate to the backwardness of the ticket on-air staff. The ticket personalities may woo the Dallas locals but, they would be way too corn pone to cut it in New York, L. A., Chicago or Philly.

Lord help him, It seems he just does not understand...

 

[1Letterman]

Addressing the above.....

The ABC 24 networks moved to Dallas because of the non union environment and the ability to pay next to nothing in wages. Cheap office space didn't hurt either. If Verne Lundquist, Norm Hitzges and Ron Chapman are the best you can come up with, you make my point about the lack of talent in Dallas better than I could.

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You claimed NEVER. You know what NEVER means, right? I'm not FROM here. Yet, I named THREE people universally recognized as national talent. NEVER. Look it up in the dictionary.

You also COMPLETELY fanned on the income thing. Broad claims are dramatic, but you haven't backed yours up, while I've refuted every one of your claims. Without hardly an effort. Go back to the IF they make money.

I'll also point out, for the second time, you claim The Ticket is only good because of the fact that the rest of the stations "suck." OK, GENIUS. Then why would The Ticket be responsible for the market? LOGICALLY, you should complain about the LESSER stations, and not the market leader. But logic in one of your posts is like a hockey player in Ecuador.

That is nothing for a market the size of Dallas. There are smaller markets than Dallas that have yielded much more talent than Dallas.

Kindly begin naming these markets and talent. We also have Kraddock, as someone pointed out. I am not a native of Dallas. Yet we named four. You have offered ZERO of your "other smaller market" examples. Yet you seem to have offered up more Dallas talent again. Jeepers.

The best jock to ever work in Dallas was Dan Ingram, who was in Dallas at KBOX for the year of 1959, went to WIL, St. Louis in 1960, went to WABC, New York in 1961 and never looked back.

OK, so there's one more. Have you decided whether Dallas NEVER had talent or not? Which side are you arguing? You claim NEVER did Dallas have talent, then you go ahead and prove you were wrong with the above example.

And Dallas was not always a top 5 market. So you're holding Dallas to an artificially high standard. But it's OK. Big D is up to the challenge.

By the way, we have a Marconi winning team from Dallas. They're from THE TICKET. The Marconi is a NATIONAL award. But what do the Marconi people know compared to you?

Ron Chapman could never have made it in New York, L. A., Chicago or Philly.

Sez you, who doesn't know what NEVER means. And who brain glitches every time someone just says "explain the Marconi if The Ticket isn't national caliber. Ron Chapman was, rightfully, a legend. Not just here. I'm sorry if that fact flies in the face of your shaky, unsubstantiated opinion.

As far as people in New York listening to the ticket if it was in New York.....Not in a thousand years. New Yorkers are much too sophisticated to relate to the backwardness of the ticket on-air staff. The ticket personalities may woo the Dallas locals but, they would be way too corn pone to cut it in New York, L. A., Chicago or Philly.

Oh, wow. This is hilarious. As someone who just moved back to Dallas from NYC, I have to say--SOPHISTICATED??? NEW YORK??? ARE YOU WATCHING TURNER CLASSIC MOVIES??? Ride the Metro just one time. Just one. Take it from, say, Norwalk CT to Manhattan. Then tell me about the sophistication of the New Yorker. You'll have to wipe a lot of vomit and bum dung off your shoes, but darn--it's sophistication like Nick and Nora Charles when the crack dealer asks if he can sit next to you.

Then, LISTEN TO WFAN. Which you clearly haven't done. They take LOTS and LOTS of callers. Sophistication isn't the word that will come to mind when you hear them. And corn pone? Perhaps you're confusing The Ticket with Hee Haw? I don't recall any segments on The Ticket that are rooted in backwoods hillbilly sensibility. Perhaps you can enumerate some for us.

Because WFAN, in your view, talks about the Metropolitan Museum of Art and The Guggenheim.

Good radio is good radio ANYWHERE. And The Ticket is seen as one of, if not THE, best in their field. And a pioneer of "guy radio." Sports Illustrated regularly include The Ticket as one of the top 5 sports stations in the nation. But again, what do they know compared to you? The guy who thinks New York is SOPHISTICATED. Like Howard Stern is sophisticated. Right.


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