Ticket Butt Smooching on this so-called board

[firstimelongtime]

somebody help me with the "not enough sports" on The Ticket

You hear on a weekly or near weekly basis: Ron Washington, The Little General Avery Johnson, Jerry Jones is on twice a week I think, Troy Aikman, Jason Whitten, the great David Feherty, the Rangers Jon Daniels, Razor Rey.

They carry, to their detriment I think, every single Rangers and Cowboys press conference and announcement. They even carried, live, the resignation of SMU coach Phil Bennet.

Comparing, by listening, to the larger markets there is no way that WIP, WFAN, WQAM compare, and KSPN in Los Angles....please!

 

[jdean]

For anyone who doubts the impact that this market has had on radio in general, spend about two minutes reading the membership of the Texas Radio Hall of Fame. Count the Marconis. Count the industry awards. Some - if not most - of these people chose to stay here in order to be big fish in a relatively large pond, rather than just another fish in a very big pond - but many of them either could have or did make it up the food chain. Anyone who wants to argue that is either bitter, ignorant, or both.

Maybe New York is too sophisticated for the legends produced in these parts...or perhaps DFW is simply too sophisticated for you. Or the industry sucks. Or we're just unenlightened bumpkins. Please forgive us. I'm sure we just had no idea what we were missing.

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

I guess I just have a huge problem with people who say something like "so and so SUCKS", but then have little to nothing to back it up except for personal opinion.

Saying so-and-so sucks is the same as saying so-and-so is a great station. They are both opinions. Opinions don't need examples to back them up.

R

And to that, sports fans, what the adage, "Opinions are like @$$ holes... " And we all know the only people that compares junk in the trunk are the fellas at Hooters. Ironic how arguments come full circle, huh? ;D

 

[Robert Bass]

I still chuckle at the RI fine print:

Postings on Radio-Info.com are the opinions of the people who post them. Views expressed do not necessarily represent the views of Radio-Info.com or its parent in3 media, inc. In fact many of the views expressed here are just plain wrong. But they are opinions and this site allows us all to discuss those opinions. Any reliance on information posted is done so at the user's own risk.

R

 

[little1]

I guess I just have a huge problem with people who say something like "so and so SUCKS", but then have little to nothing to back it up except for personal opinion.

Saying so-and-so sucks is the same as saying so-and-so is a great station. They are both opinions. Opinions don't need examples to back them up.
R

Yeah, they kind of do. Especially if you're trying to sway me to go along with your opinion.
As in this case, where some dude is saying teh Ticket sucks. Okay, that's his opinion, he's entitled to it. But what I'm looking for is the why, the 'evidence' if you will to back that up.

For example, there are a number of people on this thread that have said the Ticket is 'greatness'. Also an opinion. But it's a lot easier to buy into that opinion if you say 'I think they're great because they're doing well in teh ratings, doing well in revenue, and doing well nationally (Marconi, SI nod, etc). that's an opinion, but it has some meat on the bone.

As opposed to "The Ticket sucks" Okay why? "They just do".

That's what I don't have the time or patience for.

You're right, opinions don't HAVE to have examples to back them up. But it certainly helps if they do. For example, if someone is telling me why Shrillary Clinton will make a great president, I'd like to hear why they think that. Or Mitt or Rudy, or whoever. Okay, WHY is that you're opinion? What evidence can you muster to bring me around to your hypothesis?

The Ticket sucks? Fine, your opinion, you're entitled to it. But WHY do you think that? WHat criteria are you using to make that decision? That's what I'm looking for.

 

[longtimelistener]

I have seen a lot of posts on this board over the years that made me think the poster was terribly uninformed, biased, inexperienced, silly or just plain from the shallow end of the gene pool. I nominate Radio Truth for THE macaroni award.

 

[Robert Bass]

I have seen a lot of posts on this board over the years that made me think the poster was terribly uninformed, biased, inexperienced, silly or just plain from the shallow end of the gene pool. I nominate Radio Truth for THE macaroni award.

I'll second that nomination!

R

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

I have seen a lot of posts on this board over the years that made me think the poster was terribly uninformed, biased, inexperienced, silly or just plain from the shallow end of the gene pool. I nominate Radio Truth for THE macaroni award.

I'll second that nomination!

R

Here. Here. All in favor, say, "eh." ;D

 

[RADIO TRUTH]

Calling yourselves unenlightened bumpkins is about the most accurate thing that I have seen in this thread. There are many assumptions above that are not valid. 1-Your profitability is an indicator that you are high quality. Well friends, Mc Donalds and Burger King make big bucks and their food is still nothing that I would consume. Some hookers and strippers make good bucks but, do I really think a hooker or a stripper is my dream girl? Enron stock was once very high in price. Was the price justified or just a bunch of hype? It's all about perception. This is also true about winning broadcasting awards. Usually, the stations that win the awards have bombarded the various organizations with tons of publicity hype. And.....What do winning the awards do for the stations? Absolutely nothing. The bottom line is that even the worst radio stations in a market the size of Dallas can make money (KAAM being a great example). Even with the revenue that the ticket takes in, I still think it is an amateurish radio station for many reasons. One of them being, they get off subject talking about other stuff than sports way too often. I don't find it interesting to listen to male female relationship issues from a bunch of unenlightened bumpkins. As far as the rest of the market goes, I still stand by what I said above. There is minimal talent here. It is no surprise that Dan Ingram, probably the greatest top forty dj ever, got out of here as quickly as possible. By the way, he was originally from Long Island. Dallas was the minor leagues for him until he got to New York and WABC. There has never been any dj in Dallas that approaches the quality of some of the jocks who have worked in New York, L. A., Philly, Chicago and Miami through history. In the heyday of WCBS-FM, New York, when they were a true oldies station, they had a number of the former WABC and WMCA jocks. Compare that to KLUV who consistently have had nothing but liner card reading robots. If this was not true, how would a guy as mediocre as Chuck Brinkman have lasted at KLUV as along as he did? Dallas is a boring, untalented radio market and profitability and awards don't equate to talent. Want to buy some Enron stock?

 

[MikeShannon914]

If you hate the area, talent and the people here in general so much, why are you even posting on THIS board?

Every city acts if they are the center of the universe. As far as radio goes, our city seemed to serve us local listeners just fine for a lot of years.

BTW, where are YOU from and what's the center of YOUR universe?

I don't know what market ranking Dallas had in 1961-ish when Dan Ingram left KBOX, but without the coupling of Dallas AND Fort Worth in the mid-70s (for Arbitron purposes,) I doubt this was THE market to aspire to anyway. Being in the Top 5 these days casts a different light on things.

I would take one Mike Selden over a hundred Dan Ingrams anyday, myself.

Brinkman was a Yankee LONG before he joined KLUV in 1988, and had a decent career then and thereafter. I don't think Pittsburgh is too bad a market to establish yourself in, for the first 20 or so years of your radio career.

Let's list a few of those "untalented" people who have passed through, or still thrive in, this market: Bob Schieffer, Kidd Kraddick (nationally-syndicated radio personality,) Mark Elliott (senior meteorologist for The Weather Channel,) George Gimarc (inventor and pioneer of the Classic Rock and Alternative formats,) Jay Hoker (former VP of PAX TV and owns TV stations now,) Ted Cassidy (Lurch,) Noah Nelson (local radio and TV, then an actor and NBC reporter,) Jim Fry (Washington reporter for ABC,) Bob Brown (ABC reporter and anchor,) Travis Linn (head of CBS News-Southwest and later an RTVF professor in Nevada,) Jim Lowe, Millie Jackson (singer,) Bill Mack (now a nationally-syndicated personality,) Johnny Taylor (singer,) Giles Miller (NFL team owner,) Ken "Hubcap" Carter, Ron Chapman, Lee Woodward (Tulsa weatherman for over 25 years,) Alex Burton, Harold Taft, John Hare (president of ABC Radio,) Jim Miklaszewski (currently with NBC News,) Rush Limbaugh (trained at Elkins in DALLAS,) Willie Nelson, Barry Cope (now known as "Elvis Duran" on WHTZ-New York,) Eddie Barker, Wes Wise (later Dallas mayor,) Chris Marrou (longtime news anchor at KENS-TV in San Antonio,) Dan Rather, Ron Engelman, Charlie Van dyke, Russ "Weird Beard" Knight, Gordon McLendon (one of the fathers of the Top 40 format,) Rod Roddy, Gary Owens, George Michael (of the syndicated "Sports Machine,") Harry Birrell (spent 1968-1993 at KNX-Los Angeles,) "Captain" Mike Ambrose (retired from over 25 years as a San Diego TV weatherman,) Brant Miller (currently does weather on WMAQ-Chicago,) Jim Oldman aka "Jumpin' " Jim O'Brien, Pete Gent (former Dallas Cowboys star and author of "North Dallas Forty,") Charlie Payne, Porter Randall (voice of the Texas State Network,) Frank Glieber, Robin Jones (head of Radio Disney,) Rick Teddlie (co-creator of CONELRAD emergency system,) Durward Tucker, Scott Ginsburg, Norm Alden (noted actor,) Kent Burkhart, Bill Enis, George Carlin, Jim MacKrell (game show host,) Mac Curtis (later with KFI-Los Angeles,) Paxton Mills, Michael O'Shea, Rusty Reynolds, Misty Fincher, Jack Burns (later half of "Burns and Schreiber" comedy duo,) Bill Ward (later headed Goldenwest radio-TV group for Gene Autry,) Tony deHaro (later headed Metromedia's news division,) John Borders, Roger Barkley (spent 18 years at Los Angeles' KFI,) Ken Gaines aka Ken Scott (currently a VP with Salem,) Don Keyes, Jimmy Stewart and Bing Crosby (noted actors; both owned stations here,) and Bill Boyd and Sid King (later country singers.) And those are ones who just graced the Dallas-Fort Worth **AM** dial. We'll do FM later if warranted, and visit some of the others who have clocked 20+ successful years in this market.

 

[1Letterman]

Mike,

I'm new here, but I just want to thank you for your research. The person we're dealing with obviously has an axe to grind--and just as obviously won't benefit from the proof you've offered up.

And thanks, also, for your amazing website.

Tom G.

 

[muzzled]

[EDIT]

To rail against DFW radio and dismiss its history is just plain naive.


[EDIT-inflammatory]

 

[TheRover]

Addressing the above.....

The ABC 24 networks moved to Dallas because of the non union environment and the ability to pay next to nothing in wages. Cheap office space didn't hurt either. If Verne Lundquist, Norm Hitzges and Ron Chapman are the best you can come up with, you make my point about the lack of talent in Dallas better than I could. That is nothing for a market the size of Dallas. There are smaller markets than Dallas that have yielded much more talent than Dallas. The best jock to ever work in Dallas was Dan Ingram, who was in Dallas at KBOX for the year of 1959, went to WIL, St. Louis in 1960, went to WABC, New York in 1961 and never looked back. Ron Chapman could never have made it in New York, L. A., Chicago or Philly. KLIF was a bland, bible belt sounding radio station in comparison to WABC, WMCA, KFWB, WCFL, WLS, WFIL or WIBG. Chapman was good for Dallas but, the standards are lower in Dallas. Another good Dallas jock was Russ Knight the weird beard. As far as people in New York listening to the ticket if it was in New York.....Not in a thousand years. New Yorkers are much too sophisticated to relate to the backwardness of the ticket on-air staff. The ticket personalities may woo the Dallas locals but, they would be way too corn pone to cut it in New York, L. A., Chicago or Philly.

I don't know about NY.... but I do know that The Ticket had been continously building a very fun and interesting station to listen to.

But lately, thangs have changed, and The Ticket, while sometimes still very interesting, is now having more and more times when I just turn them off. I think I've heard just too much "Norm". He's good for a comment, but I can't handle "Norm Radio".... where it's all about Norm, all of the time.... NOBODY is that interesting!!!!

Some of the talent added in the last year, I do not like. They seem as out of place as an out of place cast member on SNL. One of these new additions, and I don't know his name, barely has a grip on the English language, as I know it. I cannot relate to this person. I just feel dumbed down EVERY time he speaks!

But hey.... This new guy, maybe he is relating to an audience that I'm not aware of!!!! He just seems out of place to me. If I was going to get used to him, I would have, by now... Everything is fine.... until he open his mouth. (It's not "what" he's saying.... but "how" he says it---- Like I said, I feel dumbed down EVERY time he speaks.....

So, The Ticket has previously already reached it's pinnacle for me. I don't know what kind of bland existence is ahead. With some personel changes, The Ticket might be as great as used to be.

Would that fit NY standards????? That, I don't care about.

 

[Robert Bass]

Calling yourselves unenlightened bumpkins is about the most accurate thing that I have seen in this thread. There are many assumptions above that are not valid. 1-Your profitability is an indicator that you are high quality. Well friends, Mc Donalds and Burger King make big bucks and their food is still nothing that I would consume. Some hookers and strippers make good bucks but, do I really think a hooker or a stripper is my dream girl? Enron stock was once very high in price. Was the price justified or just a bunch of hype? It's all about perception. This is also true about winning broadcasting awards. Usually, the stations that win the awards have bombarded the various organizations with tons of publicity hype. And.....What do winning the awards do for the stations? Absolutely nothing. The bottom line is that even the worst radio stations in a market the size of Dallas can make money (KAAM being a great example). Even with the revenue that the ticket takes in, I still think it is an amateurish radio station for many reasons. One of them being, they get off subject talking about other stuff than sports way too often. I don't find it interesting to listen to male female relationship issues from a bunch of unenlightened bumpkins. As far as the rest of the market goes, I still stand by what I said above. There is minimal talent here. It is no surprise that Dan Ingram, probably the greatest top forty dj ever, got out of here as quickly as possible. By the way, he was originally from Long Island. Dallas was the minor leagues for him until he got to New York and WABC. There has never been any dj in Dallas that approaches the quality of some of the jocks who have worked in New York, L. A., Philly, Chicago and Miami through history. In the heyday of WCBS-FM, New York, when they were a true oldies station, they had a number of the former WABC and WMCA jocks. Compare that to KLUV who consistently have had nothing but liner card reading robots. If this was not true, how would a guy as mediocre as Chuck Brinkman have lasted at KLUV as along as he did? Dallas is a boring, untalented radio market and profitability and awards don't equate to talent. Want to buy some Enron stock?

Man alive, you are so out of touch with reality!

Mike did an outstanding job replying to most of your rubbish, so I'll just add one item. The reason talent is becoming rare in DFW radio these days, is the direct result of where the commercial radio industry is going. Hence, the cheap side. All those liner card readers are not being allowed to grow and develop their skills, because the corporate CEO's will not allow it.

Everyone wants to operate CHEAPLY nowadays, and most of them don't give a flying chicken about nurturing growth. And didn't The Edge just lay off a very loyal and dedicated employee?

I thought so...

Whatever axe you have to grind, you're wasting your time with your present approach here.

Robert "Bumpkin" Bass

 

[RADIO TRUTH]

I have no ax to grind, in response to the above. I'm just expressing an opinion which is what I thought was this board's purpose. My opinion may not be the popular opinion among the Dallas bourgeoisie of broadcasting but, this does not matter to me. I will address the so-called list of talent above in a future post. Also, the poster above didn't mention that a few hit records were recorded in the Dallas area including.....Hey Paula, Hey Baby, Western Union and Do It Again (Just A Little Bit Slower)

 

[RADIO TRUTH]

One other thing.....In response to.....The reason talent is becoming rare in DFW radio these days, is the direct result of where the commercial radio industry is going. Hence, the cheap side. All those liner card readers are not being allowed to grow and develop their skills, because the corporate CEO's will not allow it.

This is true about all radio markets today, not just Dallas.

 

[Robert Bass]

One other thing.....In response to.....The reason talent is becoming rare in DFW radio these days, is the direct result of where the commercial radio industry is going. Hence, the cheap side. All those liner card readers are not being allowed to grow and develop their skills, because the corporate CEO's will not allow it.

This is true about all radio markets today, not just Dallas.

Well no kidding :

And what exactly do you feel needs addressing to all the names Mike posted? Is it your opinion that most of them suck? Maybe some of them don't live up to your standards?

R

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

Let's list a few of those "untalented" people who have passed through, or still thrive in, this market: Bob Schieffer, Kidd Kraddick (nationally-syndicated radio personality,) Mark Elliott (senior meteorologist for The Weather Channel,) George Gimarc (inventor and pioneer of the Classic Rock and Alternative formats,) Jay Hoker (former VP of PAX TV and owns TV stations now,) Ted Cassidy (Lurch,) Noah Nelson (local radio and TV, then an actor and NBC reporter,) Jim Fry (Washington reporter for ABC,) Bob Brown (ABC reporter and anchor,) Travis Linn (head of CBS News-Southwest and later an RTVF professor in Nevada,) Jim Lowe, Millie Jackson (singer,) Bill Mack (now a nationally-syndicated personality,) Johnny Taylor (singer,) Giles Miller (NFL team owner,) Ken "Hubcap" Carter, Ron Chapman, Lee Woodward (Tulsa weatherman for over 25 years,) Alex Burton, Harold Taft, John Hare (president of ABC Radio,) Jim Miklaszewski (currently with NBC News,) Rush Limbaugh (trained at Elkins in DALLAS,) Willie Nelson, Barry Cope (now known as "Elvis Duran" on WHTZ-New York,) Eddie Barker, Wes Wise (later Dallas mayor,) Chris Marrou (longtime news anchor at KENS-TV in San Antonio,) Dan Rather, Ron Engelman, Charlie Van dyke, Russ "Weird Beard" Knight, Gordon McLendon (one of the fathers of the Top 40 format,) Rod Roddy, Gary Owens, George Michael (of the syndicated "Sports Machine,") Harry Birrell (spent 1968-1993 at KNX-Los Angeles,) "Captain" Mike Ambrose (retired from over 25 years as a San Diego TV weatherman,) Brant Miller (currently does weather on WMAQ-Chicago,) Jim Oldman aka "Jumpin' " Jim O'Brien, Pete Gent (former Dallas Cowboys star and author of "North Dallas Forty,") Charlie Payne, Porter Randall (voice of the Texas State Network,) Frank Glieber, Robin Jones (head of Radio Disney,) Rick Teddlie (co-creator of CONELRAD emergency system,) Durward Tucker, Scott Ginsburg, Norm Alden (noted actor,) Kent Burkhart, Bill Enis, George Carlin, Jim MacKrell (game show host,) Mac Curtis (later with KFI-Los Angeles,) Paxton Mills, Michael O'Shea, Rusty Reynolds, Misty Fincher, Jack Burns (later half of "Burns and Schreiber" comedy duo,) Bill Ward (later headed Goldenwest radio-TV group for Gene Autry,) Tony deHaro (later headed Metromedia's news division,) John Borders, Roger Barkley (spent 18 years at Los Angeles' KFI,) Ken Gaines aka Ken Scott (currently a VP with Salem,) Don Keyes, Jimmy Stewart and Bing Crosby (noted actors; both owned stations here,) and Bill Boyd and Sid King (later country singers.) And those are ones who just graced the Dallas-Fort Worth **AM** dial. We'll do FM later if warranted, and visit some of the others who have clocked 20+ successful years in this market.

And the words of another talentless bum in radio, "and that's the rest of the story."

BTW, you scroll down that iconic list on your dashboard while doing traffic reports? ;D Nicely done, indeed.

 

[jdean]

If Radio Truth's grasp of talent is anything like his grasp of sarcasm, that would explain much.

'Fact is, there's a rather substantial list of noteworthy personalties and deejays who fared much better elsewhere than here. Don Imus, Steve McCoy, Wolfman Jack, and many others - but the comparison either direction is patently unfair and irrelevant. A great coach does only one thing well: he puts players in positions where they stand the greatest chance of success. The same thing is true of any career or profession - and it has as much to do with timing and territory as talent. Could "legends" from here have done well elsewhere? Yes. They not only did, but still do. But it takes all three components to make it work.

It's also worth mentioning that for many years, stations from across the country would send representatives to this market to assess morning shows - and try to figure out how to either emulate or steal them. That, they still do. What most programmers figured out is that you can't do the same thing without the same people. But since they couldn't "get" a Suzie Humphries, they found that the precise formula couldn't be repeated - and thus, had to do something else.

Ron Chapman had many offers to go elsewhere, most from "bigger" markets. He liked it here, and stayed. He was far from the only one. As for being bumpkins, this area is home to some of the largest aerospace, legal, financial, commercial, aviation, energy, technological, medical, and defense entities in the world. Please refer your view of us to UT Southwestern, Lockheed, EDS, Exxon, Baker & McKenzie, TI, American Airlines, etc. Hardly a den of dummies. And as for KLUV being nothing but a bunch of "card readers", you haven't listened much lately, have you?

But then, listening evidently isn't your strong suit.

I try not to get riled, but suffice to say that I understand your presence on this board - since with such an attitude it must be difficult to find people to communicate with outside of cyberspace.And that's my opinion.

Signed,

Boerg...burgeo...boojwah...bijou. Aw, ferget it. Dang big werds.

 

[salemjedi54]

Addressing the above.....

The ABC 24 networks moved to Dallas because of the non union environment and the ability to pay next to nothing in wages. Cheap office space didn't hurt either. If Verne Lundquist, Norm Hitzges and Ron Chapman are the best you can come up with, you make my point about the lack of talent in Dallas better than I could. That is nothing for a market the size of Dallas. There are smaller markets than Dallas that have yielded much more talent than Dallas. The best jock to ever work in Dallas was Dan Ingram, who was in Dallas at KBOX for the year of 1959, went to WIL, St. Louis in 1960, went to WABC, New York in 1961 and never looked back. Ron Chapman could never have made it in New York, L. A., Chicago or Philly. KLIF was a bland, bible belt sounding radio station in comparison to WABC, WMCA, KFWB, WCFL, WLS, WFIL or WIBG. Chapman was good for Dallas but, the standards are lower in Dallas. Another good Dallas jock was Russ Knight the weird beard. As far as people in New York listening to the ticket if it was in New York.....Not in a thousand years. New Yorkers are much too sophisticated to relate to the backwardness of the ticket on-air staff. The ticket personalities may woo the Dallas locals but, they would be way too corn pone to cut it in New York, L. A., Chicago or Philly.

I don't know about NY.... but I do know that The Ticket had been continously building a very fun and interesting station to listen to.

But lately, thangs have changed, and The Ticket, while sometimes still very interesting, is now having more and more times when I just turn them off. I think I've heard just too much "Norm". He's good for a comment, but I can't handle "Norm Radio".... where it's all about Norm, all of the time.... NOBODY is that interesting!!!!

Some of the talent added in the last year, I do not like. They seem as out of place as an out of place cast member on SNL. One of these new additions, and I don't know his name, barely has a grip on the English language, as I know it. I cannot relate to this person. I just feel dumbed down EVERY time he speaks!

But hey.... This new guy, maybe he is relating to an audience that I'm not aware of!!!! He just seems out of place to me. If I was going to get used to him, I would have, by now... Everything is fine.... until he open his mouth. (It's not "what" he's saying.... but "how" he says it---- Like I said, I feel dumbed down EVERY time he speaks.....

So, The Ticket has previously already reached it's pinnacle for me. I don't know what kind of bland existence is ahead. With some personel changes, The Ticket might be as great as used to be.

Would that fit NY standards????? That, I don't care about.

What show is this new person on?