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Tivoli to produce an HD radio this fall!!

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Tivoli Audio® News
Tivoli Audio in Development with Model HD – Its First HD Digital AM/FM Table Radio
06.22.2006

Boston, MA – Tivoli Audio announces that it is in development of its Model HD digital AM/FM Table Radio. The new Model HD digital table radio receives HD radio and HD digital multicasts where available without the need for contracts, fees or subscription rates in order to obtain service.
“Tivoli Audio has resisted introducing an HD radio until we could engineer the sound quality in an HD radio that is comparable to our other products,” says Tom DeVesto, Tivoli Audio’s Chairman and CEO. “Our HD radio has to have the full and rich sound that critics praise and consumers come to expect of Tivoli Audio.”

Tivoli Audio has been working with iBiquity Digital Corporation and the newest chip set for inclusion in a Tivoli Audio HD Radio model. It is expected to be in the marketplace fall 2006 and will be sold nationwide at distinctive retail outlets and direct by calling toll-free to 877-297-9479 or online at www.tivoliaudio.com.

Model HD is a trademark of Tivoli Audio, LLC.
(HD stands for Hybrid Digital)
 
It is going to be interesting to see what happens, if the latest lobbying effort by the RIAA, which has gotten Congress to propose legislation for the addition of a "digital flag", and or encryption/decryption of digital streams in digital entertainment devices (to include HD/IBOC), to prevent unauthorized copying of media, will have on the production of HD/IBOC radios. This, along with pulling HD/IBOC off the FCC's agenda (there is no indication, when HD/IBOC will be revisited by the FCC), will undoubtly delay HD/IBOC technology.
 
"there is no indication, when HD/IBOC will be revisited by the FCC), will undoubtly delay HD/IBOC technology."


WRONG! C'mon, who do you think you are fooling with this nonesense. Are you really this naive? The digital flag if it is put in the bitstream will have the same effect of XM & Sirrius, but of course you didn't mention them. People don't buy radios to make tape recordings and even if a flag is put into the stream (which I doubt will happen, Can you imagine is radio told the RIAA it will stop airing their music?), there's nothing to prevent recording using an analogue output (like a line out) instead of right off the bit stream. For those who record off the radio it won't make a difference. Poor arguments and desperate ones too!!
 
You need to reread my posts - I am sorry, that you do not understand my points. If an encryption/decryption module is mandated by Congress, then this will have a severe impact of the number of available radios. Also, it was reported, by more than one source, that the FCC gave no indication, of when HD/IBOC would be revisited. If, by chance HD/IOBC went through (I only care about AM), there will be a slew of formal complaints, by broadcasters, about adjacent-channel interference, and probably a class-action suit, to boot.
 
Why do I bother? If the sky turned green would it be called grass? Why make suppositions based on the worst possible outcome. No responsible person has said that there is any chance of this happening but you have chosen to believe that the sky is falling. How about this, if the power companies turn their generators off these desktop radios will not work unless we buy generators, Oh My goodness :eek:

Oh, start calling attorneys now. Look in the phone book on the page marked 'frivolous lawsuits'. ::)
 
Again, selective responses - you did not give one viable response to my post, just an emotional response (that was the problem with the moderator on the "other" board) - remember, that type of behavior is typical, when one is not confident in their own beliefs.
 
Not emotional at all. I own a HD radio. Is there something about that sentence you don't understand? I am talking from experience, not emotion. Unless you have worked with this technology your comments amount to nothing, That's not too difficult to understand is it?
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
Your replies, shall be met with silence...
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Does that mean you are leaving????

autopaint seems to be offer a non-emotion based set of answers, that you seem not to be able to comprehend. What is YOUR experience with HD Radio? Have you listened to HD Radio? OR are you just basing your emotional comments on what you have read with your "happy ears"?
 
Sorry, to disappoint you - I am not going anywhere ;)

Until you can , "stay on topic", your replies, too, shall be met with silence. As typical, HD/IBOC supports try to make emotional issues, out of posted facts, when they can't respond...
 
"Sorry, to disappoint you - I am not going anywhere

Until you can , "stay on topic", your replies, too, shall be met with silence. As typical, HD/IBOC supports try to make emotional issues, out of posted facts, when they can't respond..."

Specifically what haven't we responded to? I read the comments from the gentleman from Ohio and I disagree with him. in NY we have 20 HD stations operating, most with second channel programming and a couple running their HD 3 streams. These provide program content otherwise not available over the radio. I-Pods have their place but because they are battery operated devices they have a limited period of usefulness before the must be recharged, they do not provide talk shows, sports or news broadcasts and at this time they are not capable of distributing live broadcasts. The satellite systems require a monthly fee for their use, forever. CD's like I-Pods were designed to distribute recorded programming. Terrestrial radio must take advantage of the latest technology to keep its audience. Sure it offers things which its competition doesn't but still they want to do what they can in an attempt to keep their audience base from eroding. When everyone of your fellow radio board posters come to the same conclusion about your postings, it may be time to look in a mirror and ask yourself why you can’t get along with others and why your repeated attacks on IBOC and its supporters get tiring after they are repeated a few hundred times. Also maybe it’s you who isn’t understanding our responses to what you post as opposed to us not understanding you. If you keep this up soon you will have no one to talk with as you respond to all of us in silence*

* (not such a bad thing when I think about it)
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
Sorry, to disappoint you - I am not going anywhere ;)

Until you can , "stay on topic", your replies, too, shall be met with silence. As typical, HD/IBOC supports try to make emotional issues, out of posted facts, when they can't respond...
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I am pretty sure I am on topic. And unlike you saying that you will respond, not only with facts, but the ability to support my statements.

I really dont understand your "emotional" comment. No emotions needed for this topic from my point of view.
 
It is not a matter of, "not getting along", it is a matter of IBOC supporters trying to intimidate anti-IBOC folks into submission. There are many points you have not responded to, such as, Dr. Conrad's anti-IBOC remarks and on the effects of the PERFORM ACT, will have on the HD/IBOC industry. Changing over to HD/IBOC, is going to do nothing to keep the AM/FM audience - the actual program content needs to change. HD/IBOC trashes the AM band and the audio quality on the FM band is not much better than currently and has only 60% over the coverage area. HD/IBOC has, "missed the technology boat", as compared to iPods, the Internet, cell phone music downloads, and satelite radio. I am not a supporter of satellite radio, but I was pretty impressed on my last visit to Best Buy, looked at the satellite radios (e.g., Sirius S50) and brochures - for only $13 a month, over a hundred programming channels. There are way too many issues, "right out of the starting gate", with HD/IBOC to ever be successful. What a joke, that Best Buy had one HD Raptor in the back with the boom-boxes and it wasn't even pluggeg in, or had the new dipole antenna (like THAT isn't an issue, itself) - like I, or anyone else, would spend $160 on an AM/FM radio (just like the over-rated CCradio+). The satellite radios, although in the back too, had a huge display area, included in the mobile communications/entertainment area - I wonder, why the HD Raptor wasn't in the same immediate area !

And, I have no need to get emotional, for I am confident in my own beliefs, unlike that moderator on the "sister" site.
 
"It is not a matter of, "not getting along", it is a matter of IBOC supporters trying to intimidate anti-IBOC folks into submission"

Paranoia takes many forms and this is but one. Who has tried to get you to submit to the power of HD radio? Is there someone out there with a gun to your back telling you that if you don't purchase an HD radio you will be executed? If so, I'd suggest contacting the police instead of spending time here offering up the views of those who don't care for HD radio.

"There are many points you have not responded to, such as, Dr. Conrad's anti-IBOC remarks and on the effects of the PERFORM ACT, will have on the HD/IBOC industry"

Many of us are familiar with the views of Dr. Conrad. You'll forgive us if we aren't shaking in our boots. His is but one opinion and even the great Dr can be wrong, believe it or not. Since I have purchased my Boston Acoustics HD I rarely listen to standard AM or FM any longer. Maybe I should have checked with the Dr. before I started enjoying the many new IBOC features.

"HD/IBOC trashes the AM band and the audio quality on the FM band is not much better than currently and has only 60% over the coverage area. HD/IBOC has, "missed the technology boat", as compared to iPods, the Internet, cell phone music downloads, and satelite radio."

But it can triple the number of programing choices. In NYC we arwe able to listen to musical formats and in two cases simulcasts of AM radio stations we otherwise couldn't hear clearly. On AM (And the good doctors work with IBOC was on his FM facility) it opens up the band to full fidelity reception which during this season of high static due to thunderstorms can be nearly unlistenable at times in analogue. If a radio station only wants to transmit it's current analogue signal via IBOC's HD 1 channel then I would agree with the Dr. However, IBOC is much more than just the rebroadcsating of a single audio feed, digitally.


"I was pretty impressed on my last visit to Best Buy, looked at the satellite radios (e.g., Sirius S50) and brochures - for only $13 a month, over a hundred programming channels"

Believe it or not, many peole don't want another addded monthly expense. that's why the sats aren't doing all that well. You say 13 a month, that's in addition to the TV bill (many people are spending near 100$ a month on that bill), The Cell phone bill, the high speed internet bill (another 50$ a month) not to mention things like gas, electric, mortgauge/rental, raising children, cars, fule for one's car, and on and on, so what's another 13 dollars a month... FOREVER!! I don't care if they offer 100 channels. How many channels does the average person listen to? In NYC I read people who are screaming for a country music station. With HD they have one. There's an all 70's channel, an oldies channel, a new music channel, a classic light channel and it goes on and on. You will say the radios are expensive. So were the XM & Sirrius radios when they first came on the market and again, once you buy the radio that's where the expense ends with HD radio. Get youir head out of the sand and face facts, HD radio holds far better cost per users numbers than the satellites. The point of IBOC is that it's compatible with analogue. The point is that at some time the analogue trransmissions will stop and the current AM & FM bands will become full digital bands and current radios will go the route of my Armstrong band wood box FM radio, a relic of the past.
 
Again, you have not countered my points, especially, with any facts. Do you really think people aren't going to be willing to spend $13/month on satelite radio - that's two trips to McDonalds ! Ridiculous ! Again, HD/IBOC only covers 60% of the analog signal, thus alienates much of the listener audience, as Dr. Conrad has pointed out. Why, don't you try countering his points and give us your view on the PERFORM ACT. It is also very debateable whether HD Radio offers better fidelity, as Dr. Conrad pointed out, PLUS HD Radio does not offer new programming choices, as satellite radio - that's HD Radio's problem, lack of new programming. HD Radio does not offer more programming choices, than AM/FM - it is only "glorified" AM/FM.

AND, is someone, "putting a gun to your head", to force you to respond to my posts ?
 
Please read this carefully, so I don't have to repeat myself again;

"Do you really think people aren't going to be willing to spend $13/month on satelite radio - that's two trips to McDonalds ! Ridiculous !"

Not true at all. We live in a world of inflated prices and stagnent saleries. People don't want to spend another 150 dollars a year when that money could be used for househild needs. Do you have any college aged children? I do, both in private college each costing over 40,000 a year. Next question?

"Again, HD/IBOC only covers 60% of the analog signal, thus alienates much of the listener audience, as Dr. Conrad has pointed out"

This is wrong but on the other hand, who cares? Most of the listening base is located well within a stations primary contour and that is welll covered by IBOC's digital signal. If a person loses digital coverage they still get the analogue, at least for now. What's the problem here? Wrong again Say no.

"It is also very debateable whether HD Radio offers better fidelity, as Dr. Conrad pointed out, PLUS HD Radio does not offer new programming choices, as satellite radio"

Nonesense. HD audio quality is significantly better on AM than analogue and as far as programing goes you can have the audience for 19th century zither music and I'll take those who want what HD offers, country, oldies and the like. Directv offers XM channels as part of its service. Why subscribe to something I already get as part of my TV subscription. Next!!


"PLUS HD Radio does not offer new programming choices, as satellite radio - that's HD Radio's problem, lack of new programming"

I guess you were serious when you said you've never heard HD. You sound like a foolish fussbudget. Your posts are just plain ignorant comments based on nothing. You are sounding more and more foolish with each post you make. get a life.

There, I have responded and when your attendent reads you my responses to your ramblings maybe you'll finally get the message that there are some in here who would rather see you go away and cut out this foolishness, then see the analogue component of the IBOC signal disappear [I got off track, my last comment wasn't a response to your posting. I guess I just ad-libbed a bit there. :) ]
 
How do you explain that there are 8 million satellite radio subscibers, currently, at $13/month. No, HD/IBOC, as is well known, that it only covers 60% over the analog signal, as Dr. Conrad explained. Dr. Conrad is just one, in many, who have said that HD/IBOC doesn't offer much improvement in audio quality. HD/IBOC is just plain old AM/FM, and no new programming - that is its problem, along with poor coverage and interference to adjacent frequencies - I hardly call that progress ! You still, haven't responded with any technical merit, to the articles, that I have posted, because you can't ! Funny thing, that millions and millions of people are willing to spend, at least, $15 - $45 on Internet providers ! iPods, cell phone music download capabilities, the Internet, satellite radio, etc. have left HD/IOBC in the dust !

So, let's here a technical response to the stalling of HD/IBOC, by the FCC, and RIAA/Congressional legislation. As typical, you still have not responded, with any technical merit, to the articles I have posted.
 
I am close to posting a topic, Say no to Say no. 8 Million at 13 dollars. Who do you think you are kidding. Hey, I have a great east river bridge you might want to buy.
 
Currently, satellite radio has 8 million subscribers, at $13/month - gosh, look at all the people hooked up to the Internet, at the very cheapest, $13/month ! Who are you kidding ! HD/IBOC is plain-jane AM/FM programming - nothing new in this technology ! Satellite radio, Internet streaming, cell phone downloads, and, last but not least, iPods have already given the death sentence to HD/IBOC. Just one HD radio in Best Buy (not even plugged in, or had the required dipole antenna), and a whole section devoted to satellite radio - what a joke !
 
So if we follow your reasoning the broadcasters on AM & FM will go out of business. You'll be DXing noise. It ain't happening pal. Radio has and will continue to survive and flourish against competitors. How many people listen to the satelites (and 3 million is a pipe dream of yours) compared with say Limbaughs audience? Where do you think the sats get their MLB coverage from? They aren't producing it themselves. They get it from syndicators who get their feeds from local flagship terrestrial stations. These stations go under and the sats will have to pay a lot moe for rights than they do now and also provide a staff to engineer the games. Same for Football and other sports they rebroadcast. Not techncal, but it doesn't have to be. It's correct and that's what matters.
 
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