On Sunday Morning 6/19/11. In North Western Washington County ie Peters,McMurray, Stabane. WAMO 100.1 Very Strong, I Thought WCLG would Overpower It. WKFB 97.5 Better at Donaldsons CrossRoads Area than 770, WKHB 94.1 Also Very Strong. WANB 105.1 Not recevable until Passing Meadows Exit on I79. On AM WKZV 1110 ,WANB 1210 Sounding Good. 97.5 Very Good in North Hills Area Around Passavant Hospital.And Very Good through Out Westmorland county. A Friend in Monroeville Listens to 97.5 Only not 770. 94.1 Not at all in North Hills.
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Translator Signal Checks
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PHIL Z said:
Phil...do you know if any translator signals are left? That may be WKZV's only hope for survival at this point.
Translator check? C'mon...what about an old fashioned Boogie check! ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kMTjMxY-Nw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kMTjMxY-Nw
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mc_billy_bob
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Does the 105.1 signal for WANB come in well in the Washington area? I remember when I lived there, WQXK came in pretty well...so they'd have to overpower that station.
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FreddyE1977
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kenhawk1160 said:
Is 97.7 in Beechview still licensed? Was it ever actually on the air?
97.7 is licensed to West View. They were fed directly over the air from 88.9 WFRJ Johnston.
I haven't been over that way for a long time but I know as of 14 years or so ago 97.7 was in fact on the air.
I don't know who owned the thing but I don't think anybody ever maintained or even checked on it.
It would often automatically go off the air when it couldn't get a good input signal from WFRJ. Using less than a watt and a yagi antenna from Greentree aimed toward West View it was easy to blink it back on the air or completely take it over. It wasn't me but lets just say I know it could be done.
I haven't been over that way for a long time but I know as of 14 years or so ago 97.7 was in fact on the air.
I don't know who owned the thing but I don't think anybody ever maintained or even checked on it.
It would often automatically go off the air when it couldn't get a good input signal from WFRJ. Using less than a watt and a yagi antenna from Greentree aimed toward West View it was easy to blink it back on the air or completely take it over. It wasn't me but lets just say I know it could be done.
xm41 said:97.7 is licensed to West View. They were fed directly over the air from 88.9 WFRJ Johnston.
I haven't been over that way for a long time but I know as of 14 years or so ago 97.7 was in fact on the air.
I don't know who owned the thing but I don't think anybody ever maintained or even checked on it.
It would often automatically go off the air when it couldn't get a good input signal from WFRJ. Using less than a watt and a yagi antenna from Greentree aimed toward West View it was easy to blink it back on the air or completely take it over. It wasn't me but lets just say I know it could be done.
Radio locator has them listed: http://www.radio-locator.com/info/W249BD-FX
Of course radio loocator sometimes is R.L. is a little behind.
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FreddyE1977
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that's the old-old WJAS site above the Crane Village Apartments
Jkf said:
I don't think 99.3 ever was K-Love. Keymarket also uses 99.3 in Uniontown with full power for the Pickle.
One more translator we get over yonder (well, from Route 48 eastward in North Versailles and North Huntingdon) is 97.9 from Jeannette (He's Alive, rebroadcasting 88.1 out of Murrysville). It runs into WKKW from the Morgantown area moreso than it used to (I once could get He's Alive on 97.9 almost to East McKeesport on Route 30).
Some may not know that translators have no minimum HAAT(Height above average terrain) In other words, stations (translators) such as the new WAMO on 100.1 are operating at 925 feet above average terrain. This phenomenon has spread nationwide, with some operating at 2,000 feet or higher above average terrain. They are using the call signs for the AM station, and programming like an FM station. Some people don't even know they are a translator, as they are permitted to re-broadcast the AM stations signal. My company has been hired to investigate interference issues with such translators. Some 99 watt, and many 250 watt translators have signals that rival Class A stations. These things are popping up all over the place, again, "to rebroadcast an AM station"
The one thing that many may not know is translators cannot interfere with "any" reception area of another commercial or non-com station. So any regular listener is protected, no matter if they are in the protected (60dBu) contour or not. The burden is on the plaintiff, so the first step is to determine the listeners are in a receivable area. This is done by two methods, field strength and a spectrum analyzer. Demodulated audio is recorded and synced with the spectrum analyzer out to a laptop. The FIM and the spectrum analyzer both record the signal strength of the translator. A special directional antenna is then used to null out the translator and record the plaintiffs signal. This verifies the listener is in an actual "receivable" location, even though the rules do not call for this proof. Hopefully this helps anyone that may wonder "how in the hell some of these translators are reaching out so far?
The one thing that many may not know is translators cannot interfere with "any" reception area of another commercial or non-com station. So any regular listener is protected, no matter if they are in the protected (60dBu) contour or not. The burden is on the plaintiff, so the first step is to determine the listeners are in a receivable area. This is done by two methods, field strength and a spectrum analyzer. Demodulated audio is recorded and synced with the spectrum analyzer out to a laptop. The FIM and the spectrum analyzer both record the signal strength of the translator. A special directional antenna is then used to null out the translator and record the plaintiffs signal. This verifies the listener is in an actual "receivable" location, even though the rules do not call for this proof. Hopefully this helps anyone that may wonder "how in the hell some of these translators are reaching out so far?
Until I saw that with reference to an Atlanta station in Tom Taylor's report this morning, I really hadn't thought about that. Then again, with one local translator using KDKA-TV's tower and another planning to use the WYEP-FM tower (atop Calvary Cemetery at one of the higher elevations in Pittsburgh), that really isn't a surprise.
As for my reference to FM 97.9 in Jeannette, it extends another FM (88.1, Murrysville) that barely has more power than some of those translators you're talking about. In fact, I sometimes can scan for one of its simulcasts from Masontown, a full-power that still gets in on 106.9 right between WAOB-FM and WHJB-FM on Jacktown Hill outside Irwin.
As for my reference to FM 97.9 in Jeannette, it extends another FM (88.1, Murrysville) that barely has more power than some of those translators you're talking about. In fact, I sometimes can scan for one of its simulcasts from Masontown, a full-power that still gets in on 106.9 right between WAOB-FM and WHJB-FM on Jacktown Hill outside Irwin.
106.9 Was put on top of a large hill near Morgantown, WV when 106.7 and 107.1 moved years ago, pretty good for them being a class A station.
Were do Stations like WPTS 92.1 fall into this? They override WKPL 92.1 in the North Hills area Around Passavant Hospital ,13 Miles Line of Site Away. When they were on 98.5 They Carried over on to 98.3 WESA!fm-engineer said:Some may not know that translators have no minimum HAAT(Height above average terrain) In other words, stations (translators) such as the new WAMO on 100.1 are operating at 925 feet above average terrain. This phenomenon has spread nationwide, with some operating at 2,000 feet or higher above average terrain. They are using the call signs for the AM station, and programming like an FM station. Some people don't even know they are a translator, as they are permitted to re-broadcast the AM stations signal. My company has been hired to investigate interference issues with such translators. Some 99 watt, and many 250 watt translators have signals that rival Class A stations. These things are popping up all over the place, again, "to rebroadcast an AM station"
The one thing that many may not know is translators cannot interfere with "any" reception area of another commercial or non-com station. So any regular listener is protected, no matter if they are in the protected (60dBu) contour or not. The burden is on the plaintiff, so the first step is to determine the listeners are in a receivable area. This is done by two methods, field strength and a spectrum analyzer. Demodulated audio is recorded and synced with the spectrum analyzer out to a laptop. The FIM and the spectrum analyzer both record the signal strength of the translator. A special directional antenna is then used to null out the translator and record the plaintiffs signal. This verifies the listener is in an actual "receivable" location, even though the rules do not call for this proof. Hopefully this helps anyone that may wonder "how in the hell some of these translators are reaching out so far?
WPTS is 10 watts unprotected. You must be at a high elevation because in my experince the Pickle drowns them outeverywhere but Oakland and the Waterfront. If you live north of the city, you are closer to WPTS than you were toWESA, so in that case WESA was causing the interference, as they were permitted to do.
When WPTS was on 98.5 with 16 Watts they came in from 98.1 to 98.9 in our area Interfearing with 6,000 Watts WESA on 98.3. I called them And wrote the FCC. I Did time at WPGH in the 60's, Pitt's Carrier Current Station. One Night a DJ Conneceted a Cable to the CC Transmitter through it out the Window, We Got a Call from WWSW As we were Causing Interfearence to them. Not Saying thats What Happened. But Once Burned!Parttimer said:
Jkf said:
From what a friend told me. All analog FM stations bleed over one channel up and down due how stations are setup. The only stations's who do not do that are the HD stations since their digital streams are on the first channel up and down and cover that noise. Also depends on your receiver I suppose. Plus I suppose the louder they modulate the more noise on the side channels, WAMO is doing that really bad now.
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