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Trouble At Atlantic???????

Maybe he sold a good hot dog.
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topped with lots of BS!
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Can't say I would "blame" the investors. Even a jeweler can be sold a fake rolex once in a while. I figure, he fooled them, plain and simple.
Maybe with the group he was bringing with him, they thought he would make informed decisions based on the group's experience. We know now, he did not do that, but maybe just maybe they thought that.
 
d21ofnj said:
Now to something serious...where is it confirmed that JSE is flipping to Spanish?

I don't really think a format switch is ever confirmed until the switch happens. It's been reported/purported by multiple sources is all I know. My source is credible and was right about some of the other recent goings-on at Atlantic, so that's all I have to go on.
 
DOWNBEACH FAN said:
But in all fairness, I have to blame the  outside investors for this happening,  if the investors did there home work correctly they would of found out  that brett had zero experience in the radio management side of the radio business. Im just suprised it took them so long to figure that brett only biz experience was running a hot dog stand.

LETS FACE IT WOULD YOU INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH  SOMEONE WITH NO MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE IN THE RADIO BUSINESS. SO DUE TO WHAT EVER BRETT TOLD THEM THEY DID NOT DO THERE HOME WORK CORRECTLY.

Maybe he sold good pickeled relish.
 
Sam Lit said:
I think they're is a restraining order that doesn't permit him to within 300 feet of the property. That means when he drives through Linwood he has to detour around RT. 9 as to not violate the court order when he has to visit his probation officer or something.

Maybe he sold a good hot dog.
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So Sam... your saying that Brett was involved with fraud due to the Arbitron thing??? Nothing has been said to anyone about that, arbitron has done nothing about it, less of release another set of ratings... you are just shooting off your mouth.. but since we're on the subject of corruption, let's talk about payola and the DJs of the past... Let's talk about an article in "The Billboard" on 5/9/1960 where Hy Lit was said to take money from Bernie Lowe ($1,365) to tip off the record manufacturer on a record that would be a hit so that Lowe could purchase the master recording... link below... I have a lot of respect for what your father did in radio, but you are throwing rocks when you are in a glass house.

http://books.google.com/books?id=vh8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&d#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
Fine, then let me throw the stones since you went back to a 50 friggin' year old article regarding payola???!!! Please, let's just stop. I only know Hy Lit by name, never heard him, don't know him. Don't know Sam either. But you can't possibly compare a DJ taking payola 50 years ago when that was pretty much the norm, although I don't condone it, to a radio station ownership group either perpetuating or allowing Arbitron fraud under his watch. Compare the crime: 1. DJ gets extra cash, helps record manufacturer get rich - not sure who got hurt there, but okay it's not a good thing. 2. Radio group causes other stations to have lower ratings and potentially hinders their ad revenue while swindling advertisers into buying on their stations based on fraudulent beefed-up numbers. Hmm...I think #2 is worse. Especially in this day and age.

Now to the stone throwing. I said I would remain neutral on this board unless I felt something was obscenely wrong. What is wrong is the "handles" on this board that allow people to take shots while hiding, or on the other side pretend to offer a fair and balanced opinion of someone that is nothing short of putting them on a pedestal, all the while being a friend or colleague of that person...or in some cases, actually being that person.

It is pretty well known, albeit, undocumented, that Brett and his crew frequent this board and stir up trouble. Either pumping their station and jocks up artificially, or taking shots at other stations and jocks seemingly from some random, unaffiliated person.

Now, for Brett. First, as Sam said a while back, these things take time and the investigation is ongoing with Arbitron. If you know different, then you are actually Brett or one of his cronies, or you work for Arbitron, because you can't know any different.

As I stated a while back, there is evidence that I, and some others, are privy to that incriminates at least one person in the group as knowingly perpetuating this fraud. So, since it's evidence, I have to say it's alleged. I further stated, and maintain, that I will not mention what the evidence is because I don't want to give any other people ideas as to how to fraud Arbitron, nor do I want those folks correcting their mistakes and getting away with it next time (if they in fact allegedly did it - don't wanna get sued).

But the fact remains it happened under his watch. If he didn't know it, but allowed it to happen, he's a piss-poor leader at best; and my evidence indicates he knew about it, at the very least. If he did know about it, then he has no plausible deniability, and therefore is an accomplice. If he directed it to happen, then he is a conspirator. If he was the one who did it, then he's a fraud.

Tell me how he looks good in any scenario?
 
Who Cares said:
Fine, then let me throw the stones since you went back to a 50 friggin' year old article regarding payola???!!! Please, let's just stop. I only know Hy Lit by name, never heard him, don't know him. Don't know Sam either. But you can't possibly compare a DJ taking payola 50 years ago when that was pretty much the norm, although I don't condone it, to a radio station ownership group either perpetuating or allowing Arbitron fraud under his watch. Compare the crime: 1. DJ gets extra cash, helps record manufacturer get rich - not sure who got hurt there, but okay it's not a good thing. 2. Radio group causes other stations to have lower ratings and potentially hinders their ad revenue while swindling advertisers into buying on their stations based on fraudulent beefed-up numbers. Hmm...I think #2 is worse. Especially in this day and age.

Now to the stone throwing. I said I would remain neutral on this board unless I felt something was obscenely wrong. What is wrong is the "handles" on this board that allow people to take shots while hiding, or on the other side pretend to offer a fair and balanced opinion of someone that is nothing short of putting them on a pedestal, all the while being a friend or colleague of that person...or in some cases, actually being that person.

It is pretty well known, albeit, undocumented, that Brett and his crew frequent this board and stir up trouble. Either pumping their station and jocks up artificially, or taking shots at other stations and jocks seemingly from some random, unaffiliated person.

Now, for Brett. First, as Sam said a while back, these things take time and the investigation is ongoing with Arbitron. If you know different, then you are actually Brett or one of his cronies, or you work for Arbitron, because you can't know any different.

As I stated a while back, there is evidence that I, and some others, are privy to that incriminates at least one person in the group as knowingly perpetuating this fraud. So, since it's evidence, I have to say it's alleged. I further stated, and maintain, that I will not mention what the evidence is because I don't want to give any other people ideas as to how to fraud Arbitron, nor do I want those folks correcting their mistakes and getting away with it next time (if they in fact allegedly did it - don't wanna get sued).

But the fact remains it happened under his watch. If he didn't know it, but allowed it to happen, he's a piss-poor leader at best; and my evidence indicates he knew about it, at the very least. If he did know about it, then he has no plausible deniability, and therefore is an accomplice. If he directed it to happen, then he is a conspirator. If he was the one who did it, then he's a fraud.

Tell me how he looks good in any scenario?


First of all... I just want to point out that my post was only meant to give Sam food for thought... I do not believe that his father did anything wrong, I don't think he was convicted... and I'd have to say that Sam would say his father was a great man... and I'd probably agree... all I'm saying is looking from the outside and passing judgment is not the right thing to do... as proven by that article that makes it seem like Hy did something he probably didn't do... On to your first point... so, you are dismissing one crime because:

1) everyone did it back then
2) you believe there was no one hurt by the crime

is that correct? so by that logic I can take any law and so long as lots of people are breaking it, and no one get's hurt (as far as I'm concerned) then I can just break that law.. wow... I want you on the bench if I'm ever in court... this is a great theory...

You also seem to be saying allegedly, but pointing the finger in almost the same sentence...

You ALSO seem to be complaining about people using handles but unless you pull out your license and it says "Cares, Who" on it.. then you are now a hypocrite...

You can't blame Brett because he didn't know what every person in the building was doing all the time... he's not omnipotent, and if the person didn't tell him, then how would he know? again... you are pointing the finger while claiming that you are not...

It's out of hand this thread and the opinions stated on it... it's needs to stop... we're never gonig to agree...
 
WOW GUYS
THE ONLY RERASON WHY I STARTED THIS THREAD AGAIN WAS TO FIND OUT OF BRETT IS STILL WORKING AT ATLANTIC ???
DIDNT KNOW THAT IT WOULD LEAD TO THIS


BUT TOO ADD A THOUGHT TO THIS IS:

WHY HASNT THE MAIN STREAM PRESS EVEN INVESTIGATED THESE ALLEGATIONS IT WOULD OR SHOULD BE A BIG NEWS STORY.
PLUS IF THESE ALLEGATIONS HAVE ANY TRUTH TO THEM WHY HASNT ANY OTHER RADIO GROUP IN THE AREA TIPPED OF THE PRESS ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE SOUTH JERSEY RADIO MARKET. IN THE COMPETTITIVE RADIO ADVERTISING MARKET IM SURE OTHER RADIO GROUPS WOULD LOVE TO GET SOME OF ATLANTICS ADVERTISING DOLLARS ??? SO I AM HAVING TROUBLE BELIEVING THAT IT IS AS BIG AS A STORY AS STATED FROM SOME OF THE POSTS .
 
DOWNBEACH FAN said:
WOW GUYS
THE ONLY RERASON WHY I STARTED THIS THREAD AGAIN WAS TO FIND OUT OF BRETT IS STILL WORKING AT ATLANTIC ???
DIDNT KNOW THAT IT WOULD LEAD TO THIS


BUT TOO ADD A THOUGHT TO THIS IS:

WHY HASNT THE MAIN STREAM PRESS EVEN INVESTIGATED THESE ALLEGATIONS IT WOULD OR SHOULD BE A BIG NEWS STORY.
PLUS IF THESE ALLEGATIONS HAVE ANY TRUTH TO THEM WHY HASNT ANY OTHER RADIO GROUP IN THE AREA TIPPED OF THE PRESS ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE SOUTH JERSEY RADIO MARKET. IN THE COMPETTITIVE RADIO ADVERTISING MARKET IM SURE OTHER RADIO GROUPS WOULD LOVE TO GET SOME OF ATLANTICS ADVERTISING DOLLARS ??? SO I AM HAVING TROUBLE BELIEVING THAT IT IS AS BIG AS A STORY AS STATED FROM SOME OF THE POSTS .


Me too.... I don't think it will make billboard this month...
 
I feel many people on this thread have personal feelings towards this whole situation at Atlantic. The bashing I feel is going overboard. I keep seeing shots towards Brett about his ownership in Stewarts...so what didn' t we all have jobs before our radio careers (some of us have had to hold another job during our radio jobs due to low pay)? The next thing will be his qualification to be a GM. OK he may not have been qualified . I feel that had much more to due with his firing then this "arbitron mishap". I also have sources that have told me he was not in the know about the scam...it happened under his watch but that he was not directly involved...All is speculation. There are no articles in the press that point fingers at actually who is to blame and what has happened behind the scenes ay JSE...(if there are and I'm mistaken please spply the link).
JSE to Spanish equals disaster...big big mistake..I'd give the alternative format a chance with the new tower placement . Maybe a Rythmic CHR with a dance-lean?? IDK but spanish will be a waste of time .

I agree with the comment that people hide behind handles on this site. My air name is and always has been Instigator or Gator...(WDBK, WBSS, WAYV, Z889) . For the people behind te screen names please identify yourself if you want to spew this hot fire.
 
knowbody said:
So Sam... your saying that Brett was involved with fraud due to the Arbitron thing???  Nothing has been said to anyone about that, arbitron has done nothing about it, less of release another set of ratings... you are just shooting off your mouth.. but since we're on the subject of corruption, let's talk about payola and the DJs of the past... Let's talk about an article in "The Billboard" on 5/9/1960 where Hy Lit was said to take money from Bernie Lowe ($1,365) to tip off the record manufacturer on a record that would be a hit so that Lowe could purchase the master recording... link below... I have a lot of respect for what your father did in radio, but you are throwing rocks when you are in a glass house.

http://books.google.com/books?id=vh8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&d#v=onepage&q&f=false


That was only a down payment. And I'm surprised he did it so cheap. It's only because Bernie Lowe was a personal friend from the same South Philadelphia neighborhood that Hy grew up in as a kid or Hy would have asked for 25% like Dick Clark used to charge for a play on Bandstand.

Read the Hy Lit, Cameo Parkway story here.
 
Sam Lit said:
knowbody said:
So Sam... your saying that Brett was involved with fraud due to the Arbitron thing??? Nothing has been said to anyone about that, arbitron has done nothing about it, less of release another set of ratings... you are just shooting off your mouth.. but since we're on the subject of corruption, let's talk about payola and the DJs of the past... Let's talk about an article in "The Billboard" on 5/9/1960 where Hy Lit was said to take money from Bernie Lowe ($1,365) to tip off the record manufacturer on a record that would be a hit so that Lowe could purchase the master recording... link below... I have a lot of respect for what your father did in radio, but you are throwing rocks when you are in a glass house.

http://books.google.com/books?id=vh8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&d#v=onepage&q&f=false


That was only a down payment. And I'm surprised he did it so cheap. It's only because Bernie Lowe was a personal friend from the same South Philadelphia neighborhood that Hy grew up in as a kid or Hy would have asked for 25% like Dick Clark used to charge for a play on Bandstand.

Read the Hy Lit, Cameo Parkway story here.

Sam... First off.. thanks for taking the high road on this... I have no doubt that your father had as much influence as Dick Clark and many other legends... I'm also very certain that he could have made a ton more than $1,365. I will read the story... again... the intent of my post was to point out that anyone can look bad from the outside... you have been throwing daggers at Brett and I don't think it was fair...
 
Quote from knownoboy: "First of all... I just want to point out that my post was only meant to give Sam food for thought... I do not believe that his father did anything wrong, I don't think he was convicted... and I'd have to say that Sam would say his father was a great man... and I'd probably agree... all I'm saying is looking from the outside and passing judgment is not the right thing to do... as proven by that article that makes it seem like Hy did something he probably didn't do... On to your first point... so, you are dismissing one crime because:

1) everyone did it back then
2) you believe there was no one hurt by the crime

is that correct? so by that logic I can take any law and so long as lots of people are breaking it, and no one get's hurt (as far as I'm concerned) then I can just break that law.. wow... I want you on the bench if I'm ever in court... this is a great theory...

You also seem to be saying allegedly, but pointing the finger in almost the same sentence...

You ALSO seem to be complaining about people using handles but unless you pull out your license and it says "Cares, Who" on it.. then you are now a hypocrite...

You can't blame Brett because he didn't know what every person in the building was doing all the time... he's not omnipotent, and if the person didn't tell him, then how would he know? again... you are pointing the finger while claiming that you are not...

It's out of hand this thread and the opinions stated on it... it's needs to stop... we're never gonig to agree..."



1. No, I'm not dismissing the crime. I'm pointing out that you were going apples to oranges on the man for various reasons. You and I, and pretty much everyone in the country speeds on a daily basis (if you tell me you drive exactly the speed limit at all times, you're lying). Haven't we all then committed a crime? Besides, you're also talking about a DJ vs an owner. I think the owner would have to be held to a higher standard in this situation, but that's just me. And, it was 50 years ago!

2. I guess my sarcasm was lost on you. Yes, I'm saying allegedly because I personally have no physical proof of the claim, yet we all know the "crime" was committed.

3. Again, my tongue in cheek-ness didn't translate over the board. I know I have a handle. However, you will never see me on here as someone else, pretending to be a friend or foe of someone. What I meant by the hiding, in actuality, was the people on here that everyone knows have multiple handles and pretend to be other non-affiliated people, i.e. "Fake Name" posts a seemingly unaffiliated bashing statement towards WAAA-FM, or "Fake Name" posts a seemingly unaffiliated "so and so is the best" statement...all the while "Fake Name" is the competitor to WAAA-FM (jock, pd, owner, etc) in scenario one and either the "so and so" or a friend/colleague of "so and so" in the 2nd scenario. Etc.

4. The evidence I have been told about points specifically to a member of the ownership group (I will not say if it is Brett or not). Therefore, if it wasn't him, and if he didn't know about it, he should have. He darn well should've known about the people he chose to be in bed with.

Furthermore, if you have heard Brett speak on certain subjects, like his disdain for his former employer, or been privy to some of the antics his group of stations and/or certain personnel at his stations have done towards their competing stations, then you wouldn't be so quick to grant him sainthood - unless of course you are him or his "friend."

And, let's get back to the facts: http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/a...to-reissue-atlantic-city-fall-book?ref=search

That is All Access's reporting of it. If you saw the actual email from Arbitron, as I did, it specifically said 2 diaries from a media affiliated household. That alone would lend to Brett not knowing about it. Could've been anyone. Could've been the neighbor of a part-time jock. How would Brett possibly know about that?

However, the evidence shows it was much higher up than that. And, I'm sorry if I can't reveal the evidence, but I need to protect certain sources, as well as not wanting to give anyone ideas on how to fraud Arbitron.
 
DOWNBEACH FAN said:
But in all fairness, I have to blame the outside investors for this happening, if the investors did there home work correctly they would of found out that brett had zero experience in the radio management side of the radio business. Im just suprised it took them so long to figure that brett only biz experience was running a hot dog stand.

LETS FACE IT WOULD YOU INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH SOMEONE WITH NO MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE IN THE RADIO BUSINESS. SO DUE TO WHAT EVER BRETT TOLD THEM THEY DID NOT DO THERE HOME WORK CORRECTLY.

Maybe he got a good corner on Pacific Avenue from the pimps that control Pacific Ave after dark.
 
This just in: Brett Denafo is starting his own rumor that he is going to takeover/buy Atlantic Broadcasting and resume control. I kid you not. His broadcast delusion just won't end. Forget the Abritron fraud that he perpetrated. Forget all the delicate careers and the five stations he wrecked. Forget that Paul Kelly just got fired. Forget that he cannot come within 300 feet of the building. Forget that he cannot drive down Rt 9 in Linwood without violating a court order. . ...He's going to finance it by putting a hot dog cart outside that station and sell Sabretts at a premium when the station goes into receivership. Then he's going to dip into the Hot dog cart union funds to retire the debt.
 
C'mon Really: that was the intent of my original post a few days ago when I asked if there was another casualty. I've heard it from multiple sources that Paul Kelly is gone.
 
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