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True Oldies 96.7

DavidEduardo said:
Still, even KLUV has weekend only stuff and specialty shows, doesn't it? The weekday playlist seems to be around 500.
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I had a thought - why doesn't CBS just lease 96.7 and program KLUV-HD2 on it? KLUV-HD2 is already real oldies - and 96.7, even with a supposedly weaker signal, had hundreds of times the potential listeners than HD radio.
 
I had a thought - why doesn't CBS just lease 96.7 and program KLUV-HD2 on it? KLUV-HD2 is already real oldies - and 96.7, even with a supposedly weaker signal, had hundreds of times the potential listeners than HD radio.
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I understand where you're coming from there, Bruce. But I think CBS is already maxed out in this market insofar as the number of stations it owns or controls. The last thing we need to do is to relax ownership guidelines.

Actually, we need a dramatic reduction in the number of stations an ownership group can run.
 
The problem is these companies own so many flippin stations that they can't operate them to their full potential. They do too many cutbacks to make ends meet. Radio stations should have local talent on every station from 6AM-Midnight. :)

Is KKDA/KRNB still locally owned?
 
The problem is these companies own so many flippin stations that they can't operate them to their full potential.
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I wonder if they could even operate ONE station to its full potential. I'd love to see that experiment. Get a test market. And then give ClearChannel, Cumulus, Citadel, CBS, etc., each one station. And then auction off the other frequencies to independent (surely some local?) ownership groups.

Who is more used to fierce local competition? These corporations? Or a bunch of random independent groups?

Predictions?

(And where is the true spirit of capitalism better reflected? In my scenario above? Or in today's relaxed-ownership environment? Hmmmm........)
 
SmokeRing said:
The problem is these companies own so many flippin stations that they can't operate them to their full potential.
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I wonder if they could even operate ONE station to its full potential. I'd love to see that experiment. Get a test market. And then give ClearChannel, Cumulus, Citadel, CBS, etc., each one station. And then auction off the other frequencies to independent (surely some local?) ownership groups.

Who is more used to fierce local competition? These corporations? Or a bunch of random independent groups?

Predictions?

(And where is the true spirit of capitalism better reflected? In my scenario above? Or in today's relaxed-ownership environment? Hmmmm........)
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Sure NOT capitalism...unless those owners could SELLTHEIR STATION(S) TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER
 
Gosh - I wish they would just put the country music out of its misery and at least STUNT true oldies!!!
 
SmokeRing said:
The problem is these companies own so many flippin stations that they can't operate them to their full potential.
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I wonder if they could even operate ONE station to its full potential. I'd love to see that experiment. Get a test market. And then give ClearChannel, Cumulus, Citadel, CBS, etc., each one station. And then auction off the other frequencies to independent (surely some local?) ownership groups.

Who is more used to fierce local competition? These corporations? Or a bunch of random independent groups?

Predictions?

(And where is the true spirit of capitalism better reflected? In my scenario above? Or in today's relaxed-ownership environment? Hmmmm........)
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That sounds fun. :)
 
Texaz said:
The problem is these companies own so many flippin stations that they can't operate them to their full potential. They do too many cutbacks to make ends meet. Radio stations should have local talent on every station from 6AM-Midnight. :)

Is KKDA/KRNB still locally owned?
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Yes they are
 
salemjedi54 said:
Texaz said:
The problem is these companies own so many flippin stations that they can't operate them to their full potential. They do too many cutbacks to make ends meet. Radio stations should have local talent on every station from 6AM-Midnight. :)

Is KKDA/KRNB still locally owned?
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Yes they are
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Service Broadcasting, Grand Prairie, TX?
 
Texaz said:
K104 does really good at being in top of the ratings with the corporate competition.
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I thought corporate radio was bad. If it is so hard to compete with, then it must, actually, be very good.
 
"I thought corporate radio was bad. If it is so hard to compete with, then it must, actually, be very good." Spoken like a true con sultant. White is black. Losses are profits. Right is wrong. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
 
OKCRadioGuy said:
"I thought corporate radio was bad. If it is so hard to compete with, then it must, actually, be very good." Spoken like a true con sultant. White is black. Losses are profits. Right is wrong. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
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Nice comeback, but I notice the ad hominem attacks don't actually refute what he said. Because if corporate radio is that bad, shouldnt they be easy to beat?

Or to put it another way, if corporate radio sucks so bad, why do corporate radio stations occupy the vast majority of the top 10 slots? Are the listeners just that stupid?
 
No, they just buy UP every available channel. It's sort of like the USSR TV back in the day. If you don't like channel 1 which is propiganda, you can go to channel 2 where there is someone on the set telling you to go back to channel one. Corporate Amerika's version of radio is very similar.. no choices, or at least good choices. Judging by the ratings of K104 I'd have to say that corporate isn't exactly THAT great, and that's even as K104 is coniderably less of a station than it was in the past.
 
Also, if Mr. E and some of his statistical friends put their caluculators to it, I'm sure they'd notice that stations of decent city-grade coverage of a market that are privately owned by smaller operators usually outpreform corporate time and time again. That's not ALL stations, but in general. With that being said those stats would basically prove we would be better off as an industry and for the public's sake to go back to the 7-7-7 rule.
 
Texaz said:
K104 does really good at being in top of the ratings with the corporate competition.
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Yes - but they do it by playing sexually explicit, and bigoted lyrics. Shock value. I'd rather listen to corporate radio which has some sort of broadcast standards.
 
OKCRadioGuy said:
Also, if Mr. E and some of his statistical friends put their caluculators to it, I'm sure they'd notice that stations of decent city-grade coverage of a market that are privately owned by smaller operators usually outpreform corporate time and time again.
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I don't see any general rule at all. I do see local clusters in some cases, like Memphis, doing well. But as a rule, in cases like KKGO in LA, what we see is quirky small groups... the sort of thing we dreaded working for in the 60's and 70's.

We sure don't need to go back to the era of great small owners like Richard Eaton, Don Burden, Max Richmond, etc. No benefits, arrogant and arbitrary management styles, on-the-spot firing, etc.
 
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