I just ordered a 1973 copy of the NC TVG on eBay. It didn't have the multiple network configuration for WWAY and WECT, but it did have a couple of bloopers on the channels listed page, WRET-36 Charlotte was shown with a white bullet and as channel 27 (???), and WNCT was simply called "WNC". I'm assuming that was just the work of some careless setup person, and that WRET appears as channel 36 in the listings. It should be here in a few days.
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I just ordered a 1973 copy of the NC TVG on eBay. It didn't have the multiple network configuration for WWAY and WECT, but it did have a couple of bloopers on the channels listed page, WRET-36 Charlotte was shown with a white bullet and as channel 27 (???), and WNCT was simply called "WNC". I'm assuming that was just the work of some careless setup person, and that WRET appears as channel 36 in the listings. It should be here in a few days.
I got the 1973 North Carolina TVG today, and it was in remarkably good condition as very old TVGs on eBay go.
- The channel 27 glitch on the channels listed page for WRET was just that, a glitch. The listings show it as 36, black bullet, white numbers, in tandem with the other Charlotte stations.
- UNC TV is listed as "E", but in the listings, "E" comes between channels 2 and 3 (WFMY and WBTV/WWAY). Evidently this was a nod to WUND-2 Columbia NC, the first in the list of the various UNC TV stations. (Fun fact, the COL for WUND was moved a few years ago to Edenton, so that it would fall within the Norfolk market and thus force satellite carriage.)
- Wilmington seems to have gotten a fairly standard schedule of ABC (WWAY) and NBC (WECT) programming, I couldn't find any CBS programming on either channel. Evidently at that time, Wilmington-area viewers were getting by with WNCT and WRAL, or WBTW if they were far enough west or south for OTA or cable carriage. The three de facto network affiliates for Myrtle Beach were WWAY, WECT, and WBTW, in fact, when my parents moved there in 1996, I fixed them up with rabbit ears to get the three networks they were used to seeing, until they could get cable installed, and those were the channels they got.
- WBTW was interesting. It had a mix of CBS and ABC programming, with pretty much the straight CBS schedule in prime time, and roughly split between ABC and CBS in daytime. I did see one ABC football game on Monday night, carrying sports from whichever network had a particular game wasn't uncommon for multiple-network affiliates in those days. They also carried network news from both ABC (6:00 pm) and CBS (7:00 pm), with local news sandwiched between them at 6:30 pm.
WTVD, but did they have their tower south of Raleigh back then?Evidently at that time, Wilmington-area viewers were getting by with WNCT and WRAL
I got the 1973 North Carolina TVG today, and it was in remarkably good condition as very old TVGs on eBay go.
- The channel 27 glitch on the channels listed page for WRET was just that, a glitch. The listings show it as 36, black bullet, white numbers, in tandem with the other Charlotte stations.
- UNC TV is listed as "E", but in the listings, "E" comes between channels 2 and 3 (WFMY and WBTV/WWAY). Evidently this was a nod to WUND-2 Columbia NC, the first in the list of the various UNC TV stations. (Fun fact, the COL for WUND was moved a few years ago to Edenton, so that it would fall within the Norfolk market and thus force satellite carriage.)
- Wilmington seems to have gotten a fairly standard schedule of ABC (WWAY) and NBC (WECT) programming, I couldn't find any CBS programming on either channel. Evidently at that time, Wilmington-area viewers were getting by with WNCT and WRAL, or WBTW if they were far enough west or south for OTA or cable carriage. The three de facto network affiliates for Myrtle Beach were WWAY, WECT, and WBTW, in fact, when my parents moved there in 1996, I fixed them up with rabbit ears to get the three networks they were used to seeing, until they could get cable installed, and those were the channels they got.
- WBTW was interesting. It had a mix of CBS and ABC programming, with pretty much the straight CBS schedule in prime time, and roughly split between ABC and CBS in daytime. I did see one ABC football game on Monday night, carrying sports from whichever network had a particular game wasn't uncommon for multiple-network affiliates in those days. They also carried network news from both ABC (6:00 pm) and CBS (7:00 pm), with local news sandwiched between them at 6:30 pm.
With the note of WBTW airing football from ABC on a Monday night, did WWAY air CBS NFL games on Sunday afternoons?
WECT carried As the World Turns until Days of Our Lives expanded to an hour at 1:30, at which point WWAY began carrying ATWT. In 1973 WRAL was an ABC affiliate, so more than likely Wilmington got CBS on either WNCT or WBTW. I remember in 1976 I knew a woman in Wilmington who watched Y&R at 1, so she had to have been watching WNCT because WBTW carried it at 12. In the '90s and early 2000s, North Myrtle Beach got two NBC affiliates: WECT and WIS Columbia, SC. WBTW was CBS and WPDE, which wasn't even on the air in 1973, was ABC. WMBF came on the air in 1998 and replaced both WECT and WIS as the NBC affiliate. For such a relatively-new station WMBF quickly became number two, behind WBTW. (I never understood why ABC does so poorly in South Carolina; I don't think there are any affiliates ranking higher than third in their markets. NBC tends to be number one in Greenville and Columbia; CBS, in Charleston and Florence.)I got the 1973 North Carolina TVG today, and it was in remarkably good condition as very old TVGs on eBay go.
- The channel 27 glitch on the channels listed page for WRET was just that, a glitch. The listings show it as 36, black bullet, white numbers, in tandem with the other Charlotte stations.
- UNC TV is listed as "E", but in the listings, "E" comes between channels 2 and 3 (WFMY and WBTV/WWAY). Evidently this was a nod to WUND-2 Columbia NC, the first in the list of the various UNC TV stations. (Fun fact, the COL for WUND was moved a few years ago to Edenton, so that it would fall within the Norfolk market and thus force satellite carriage.)
- Wilmington seems to have gotten a fairly standard schedule of ABC (WWAY) and NBC (WECT) programming, I couldn't find any CBS programming on either channel. Evidently at that time, Wilmington-area viewers were getting by with WNCT and WRAL, or WBTW if they were far enough west or south for OTA or cable carriage. The three de facto network affiliates for Myrtle Beach were WWAY, WECT, and WBTW, in fact, when my parents moved there in 1996, I fixed them up with rabbit ears to get the three networks they were used to seeing, until they could get cable installed, and those were the channels they got.
- WBTW was interesting. It had a mix of CBS and ABC programming, with pretty much the straight CBS schedule in prime time, and roughly split between ABC and CBS in daytime. I did see one ABC football game on Monday night, carrying sports from whichever network had a particular game wasn't uncommon for multiple-network affiliates in those days. They also carried network news from both ABC (6:00 pm) and CBS (7:00 pm), with local news sandwiched between them at 6:30 pm.
When TV Guide merged the Eastern Virginia and Central Virginia editions to make the Virginia State edition, they dropped WVVA along with WFMY, WRAL, WGHP, WTVD, and WXII, all North Carolina stations in the Central Virginia edition. The other Bluefield stations, WOAY and WVSX, were also dropped.Other quirks in the 2004 TVG edition map, where they telescoped many editions into consolidated ones (and, for some reason, quit putting channel guides in some editions):
- The Virginia State edition didn't include WVVA-6 in Bluefield, even though Mercer County was in its circulation area.
- The Southern Ohio edition (more or less combining the largely redundant Cincinnati and Dayton editions) was circulated in Ross County (Chillicothe), no doubt because WHIO-7 is carried on cable there.
- The Eastern North Carolina edition has that little appendix-looking thing where it was circulated in Marion County SC, probably to provide both Florence/Myrtle Beach and Wilmington stations, even though Horry County always had the South Carolina edition (even when it was part of the Wilmington DMA). You could get the Eastern NC edition at stores in North Myrtle Beach, and when I lived in MB, I subscribed to that edition by special request.
Once upon a time, like the early '60s, there was a Virginia edition which carried WCYB and WJHL from the Tri-Cities; they eventually moved into the Carolina-Tennessee and then the Bristol-Kingsport-Johnson City editions.
I would have figured you could buy both Eastern North Carolina and South Carolina in North Myrtle Beach, although I could never find the ENC one there.
Yes.With the note of WBTW airing football from ABC on a Monday night, did WWAY air CBS NFL games on Sunday afternoons?
WTVD, but did they have their tower south of Raleigh back then?
You're right WTVD was the CBS affiliate at that time, I had it firmly in my mind that it was WRAL.
Per the 1972 Television Factbook, WTVD's transmitter was between Clayton and Auburn NC, near the Wake-Johnston county line. If it's the same location as now, it is in Wake County (near the present WNCN tower).
With the note of WBTW airing football from ABC on a Monday night, did WWAY air CBS NFL games on Sunday afternoons?
The TVG that I got shows such a game on Sunday afternoon. I didn't think to look there.
WECT carried As the World Turns until Days of Our Lives expanded to an hour at 1:30, at which point WWAY began carrying ATWT. In 1973 WRAL was an ABC affiliate, so more than likely Wilmington got CBS on either WNCT or WBTW. I remember in 1976 I knew a woman in Wilmington who watched Y&R at 1, so she had to have been watching WNCT because WBTW carried it at 12. In the '90s and early 2000s, North Myrtle Beach got two NBC affiliates: WECT and WIS Columbia, SC. WBTW was CBS and WPDE, which wasn't even on the air in 1973, was ABC. WMBF came on the air in 1998 and replaced both WECT and WIS as the NBC affiliate. For such a relatively-new station WMBF quickly became number two, behind WBTW. (I never understood why ABC does so poorly in South Carolina; I don't think there are any affiliates ranking higher than third in their markets. NBC tends to be number one in Greenville and Columbia; CBS, in Charleston and Florence.)
My TVG shows ATWT at 1:30 pm and DOOL at 2:00 pm, both on WECT. ATWT is the only CBS show on WECT that I can find on the fly.
When TV Guide merged the Eastern Virginia and Central Virginia editions to make the Virginia State edition, they dropped WVVA along with WFMY, WRAL, WGHP, WTVD, and WXII, all North Carolina stations in the Central Virginia edition. The other Bluefield stations, WOAY and WVSX, were also dropped.
Once upon a time, like the early '60s, there was a Virginia edition which carried WCYB and WJHL from the Tri-Cities; they eventually moved into the Carolina-Tennessee and then the Bristol-Kingsport-Johnson City editions.
I would have figured you could buy both Eastern North Carolina and South Carolina in North Myrtle Beach, although I could never find the ENC one there.
I was able to get the ENC TVG in NMB regularly (Food Lion IIRC, and maybe Boulineau's IGA too), and finally began subscribing to ENC by special request when I lived in Myrtle Beach.
If your TV Guide is from earlier than 1975 it would be correct. Days did not go to an hour until April 1975. WECT carried Edge of NightMy TVG shows ATWT at 1:30 pm and DOOL at 2:00 pm, both on WECT. ATWT is the only CBS show on WECT that I can find on the fly.
when it was on at 3:30 (1963-1972) and Secret Storm when it was at 4 PM (1962-1968). Edge moved to ABC in 1975 and WWAY picked
it up.
As many times as I have been in Boulineau's I never saw an ENC edition; maybe they quit carrying it. But one day I was down there, wanted to get a SC edition, and got--you won't believe it--a South Florida edition!I was able to get the ENC TVG in NMB regularly (Food Lion IIRC, and maybe Boulineau's IGA too), and finally began subscribing to ENC by special request when I lived in Myrtle Beach.
As many times as I have been in Boulineau's I never saw an ENC edition; maybe they quit carrying it. But one day I was down there, wanted to get a SC edition, and got--you won't believe it--a South Florida edition!
Once in a great while, the "wrong" edition would get placed by news distributors.
Sometime back in the 1990s, they started bringing the Washington edition into Pendleton County WV, whereas they had previously gotten Eastern Virginia, and before that, Central Virginia. I asked the clerk about it at the grocery store in Franklin, and she told me that they'd been getting many complaints about that. It didn't carry WHSV from Harrisonburg, which is their "local" station. I never understood why the Washington edition didn't list WHSV, it could easily have been added, no more incongruous than listing WGAL from Lancaster PA, which was always in that edition.
I have seen WHSV's listings in the Washington Post's Sunday TV insert (this would have been in the '70s and/or '80s) and it would have made sense to include it in the Washington-Baltimore edition. It was always in the Eastern Virginia edition but was removed from the Central Virginia and replaced with WOAY in Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill. It reappeared in the Virginia State edition just before TV Guide stopped publishing the digest-size magazine, but again, I agree that it could have been in Washington-Baltimore.Once in a great while, the "wrong" edition would get placed by news distributors.
Sometime back in the 1990s, they started bringing the Washington edition into Pendleton County WV, whereas they had previously gotten Eastern Virginia, and before that, Central Virginia. I asked the clerk about it at the grocery store in Franklin, and she told me that they'd been getting many complaints about that. It didn't carry WHSV from Harrisonburg, which is their "local" station. I never understood why the Washington edition didn't list WHSV, it could easily have been added, no more incongruous than listing WGAL from Lancaster PA, which was always in that edition.
I have seen WHSV's listings in the Washington Post's Sunday TV insert (this would have been in the '70s and/or '80s) and it would have made sense to include it in the Washington-Baltimore edition. It was always in the Eastern Virginia edition but was removed from the Central Virginia and replaced with WOAY in Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill. It reappeared in the Virginia State edition just before TV Guide stopped publishing the digest-size magazine, but again, I agree that it could have been in Washington-Baltimore.
I remember that too, from the Washington Post Sunday TV insert. I do remember that WHSV was eventually dropped from the Central Virginia edition, which is most likely why the edition for Pendleton County became Eastern Virginia (before their news distributor switched to the Washington TVG). At one time, WDBJ and WSLS were carried on Franklin cable (which would have made the Central Virginia TVG make sense for them), along with WSVA/WHSV and WDTV Weston/Clarksburg. That is one of the most remote, inaccessible counties on the east coast, and TV reception of any kind always posed a challenge, to say the least. You would see huge antennas pointed towards Harrisonburg to get WHSV via knife-edge propagation.
I don't remember the calls but Harrisonburg was in my TV Guide. Channel 3 was usually ABC but occasionally it was NBC.I remember that too, from the Washington Post Sunday TV insert. I do remember that WHSV was eventually dropped from the Central Virginia edition, which is most likely why the edition for Pendleton County became Eastern Virginia (before their news distributor switched to the Washington TVG). At one time, WDBJ and WSLS were carried on Franklin cable (which would have made the Central Virginia TVG make sense for them), along with WSVA/WHSV and WDTV Weston/Clarksburg. That is one of the most remote, inaccessible counties on the east coast, and TV reception of any kind always posed a challenge, to say the least. You would see huge antennas pointed towards Harrisonburg to get WHSV via knife-edge propagation.
I don't remember the calls but Harrisonburg was in my TV Guide. Channel 3 was usually ABC but occasionally it was NBC.
In the WSVA days, they were a little bit of everything at one time or another. They were also a secondary Fox affiliate at one time.
I seem to remember they dropped CBS by 1968 and in the '70s carried NBC's game shows in the morning and AFC football on Sundays. By the early '80s they were exclusively ABC.In the WSVA days, they were a little bit of everything at one time or another. They were also a secondary Fox affiliate at one time.
I seem to remember they dropped CBS by 1968 and in the '70s carried NBC's game shows in the morning and AFC football on Sundays. By the early '80s they were exclusively ABC.
At one time they were reliant upon WMAL for their ABC programming (and possibly WRC for NBC).
Got to wonder how good that signal was, by the time it got to Harrisonburg.
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