TWISTER

[davideduardo]

Check your field strengths, David - its placement was a masterful stroke - about the only place where it suffers is Mesquite and South Dallas. I get HD with no problems 50 miles away in Plano - that ought to tell you something about their signal right there. The tall stick and high ERP, combined with flat terrain don't hurt either!

It's still a rimshot. The 70 dbu covers only 688,000 persons, while KHKS does 4,590,000. Since about 80% of all in home and at work listening takes place in the 70 dbu contour, there is no way this station can be anything but a secondary or tertiary player. It ain't a Cedar Hill facility.

Heck, even KDXX covers nearly 200,000 more people in its 70 than that one does.

 

[LouP]

A billboard from '96-'97.... How is that possible?

That was the era when the wrap-around billboards began to be used, allowing (presumably) for less expense in switching them out. Every now and then a storm will blow through and blow off the wrap-around, revealing the last old-style billboard. That happened in Tampa a few years ago, revealing a billboard for the long-defunct 107.3 The Coast.

 

[charles123]

It has been confirmed that Allan Peck is leaving The Twister, I talked to him yesterday and he told me his last day is next Friday, I bet you they'll change then. Any thoughts.

 

[MikeShannon914]

A billboard from '96-'97.... How is that possible?

A Q102 billboard popped up a few years ago in Plano off 75-Central, under similar circumstances.

I found a car in the junkyard a few weeks ago that had, "I flipped for Jimmy Rabbit" painted on the bottom. Hee hee. ;D

 

[CW]

Twister is a real rimshot; it can not possibly compete meaningfully with Kiss, KHKS, the CHR in the market.

Check your field strengths, David - its placement was a masterful stroke - about the only place where it suffers is Mesquite and South Dallas. I get HD with no problems 50 miles away in Plano - that ought to tell you something about their signal right there. The tall stick and high ERP, combined with flat terrain don't hurt either!

Its placement was determined by adj and co channel spacing...not much else....The tower is impressive but then so are the other 2000footers out there on the Wise Co prairie land......and NONE cover Dallas worth a flip.....the original antenna (a Jampro knock off and not sure WHO made it) on 96.7 was "optimized" for signal toward Dallas in the vertical plane.....and I could BARELY hear it on a clock radio near the Galleria (the "typical" home/office listen radio; no outside antenna or rabbit ears, etc) AND only if I held the wire just right and put my left foot in a bucket of salt water ....then they went to that Shively POS.......and then I think to an ERI...not sure what they have now...but no rimshot out that far can cover Dallas with city grade signal....the ones due north of Dallas dont even have city grade south of LBJ.....You canna change the laws of physics!! (kudos to Capt Montgomery Scott

 

[busyradioguy]

the ones due north of Dallas dont even have city grade south of LBJ.....You canna change the laws of physics!! (kudos to Capt Montgomery Scott

Also, don't forget the fact that there's Klingons on the starboard bow.

 

[MacOConnor]

the ones due north of Dallas dont even have city grade south of LBJ.....You canna change the laws of physics!! (kudos to Capt Montgomery Scott

Also, don't forget the fact that there's Klingons on the starboard bow.

Outside the 70dBu contour There's Life, Jim, But Not As We Know It

 

[rbrucecarter5]

It's still a rimshot. The 70 dbu covers only 688,000 persons, while KHKS does 4,590,000. Since about 80% of all in home and at work listening takes place in the 70 dbu contour, there is no way this station can be anything but a secondary or tertiary player. It ain't a Cedar Hill facility.

Heck, even KDXX covers nearly 200,000 more people in its 70 than that one does.

I don't think radios or listeners care about the 70 dBu contour. I tried 96.7 on the cheapest radios I own, it powers right through without a problem. Even being a second adjacent to 96.3 - on one of those autoscanning radios with no dial (and no ceramic filter at all), it come in clear and strong. All listeners care about is whether they can hear it or not, not its relative strength to other locals.

 

[davideduardo]

I don't think radios or listeners care about the 70 dBu contour. I tried 96.7 on the cheapest radios I own, it powers right through without a problem. Even being a second adjacent to 96.3 - on one of those autoscanning radios with no dial (and no ceramic filter at all), it come in clear and strong. All listeners care about is whether they can hear it or not, not its relative strength to other locals.

In extrensive reviews of diary entries for in home and at work listening (about 70% of all listening) shows for FMs that 80% is in the 70 dbu and only another 15% is in the 64 dbu.

Listeners care whether they can hear a station or not. In the case of 96.7, they get nearly no diary mentions outside the 64, and most are in the 70... just as one would predict. The listener does not know the signal strength, of course. They just know whether it comes in easily or not.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

The listener does not know the signal strength, of course. They just know whether it comes in easily or not.

Thank you, David, you just eloquently made my point about HD radio!!!

 

[txchipk]

The listener does not know the signal strength, of course. They just know whether it comes in easily or not.

Thank you, David, you just eloquently made my point about HD radio!!!

It also eloquently makes the point, based on years of data (i.e. with or without HD radio being radio), regular radio listeners (i.e. non-DXers/radio hobbyists) do not tune in to weak out of market stations (i.e. people in Dallas dont' care about listening to KLBJ 590 Austin, KNIN 92.9 Wichita Falls, or KOOI 106.5 Jacksonville-Tyler, etc.).

Since your point is almost always KLIF is "illegally jamming" KLBJ from Dallas listeners, that obviously isn't true since KLBJ has no meaningful listeners here whether or not HD is turned on or not. It has never registered even the minimum number of listeners to show up in the local ratings over decades worth of ratings in this market. KLBJ can't even find enough listeners in Waco to show in their ratings and they are 100 miles closer and not blocked by KLIF's "jamming."

I don't have a HD radio, nor do I have interest in one since none of the programming looks worth the investment. So, I don't care if it is on or off...I just find it silly people on both sides put forth false and ridiculous arguments (i.e. Brucie hates it so it is a never-end parade of silly and false arguments that masses of folks are upset about not being able to hear some far off station that masses ignored before there was HD radio; the pro- side arguing this will "revolutionize" radio with stations offering automated, niched formats that appeal to few people, etc.).

 

[constantine]

All the country stations in this town need to put HD on the back burner and focus on thier regular stations. The Wolf, KSCS & The Twister need to get the programming focused again.

I miss KASE 101! (grew up in Austin)

 

[CW]

All the country stations in this town need to put HD on the back burner and focus on thier regular stations. The Wolf, KSCS & The Twister need to get the programming focused again.

Ahhh that can be applied to ALL the stations, country or not

 

[eliseatheduck]

indeed..and when country actually returns to country.

 

[radioguyntx]

KLBJ can't even find enough listeners in Waco to show in their ratings and they are 100 miles closer and not blocked by KLIF's "jamming."

I live in Waco, and daytime it is a very weak signal in my car... At night, might as well forget it. Don't get me wrong, I love Alex Jones but, it is too much hassle to try to listen to this station.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

KLBJ can't even find enough listeners in Waco to show in their ratings and they are 100 miles closer and not blocked by KLIF's "jamming."

I live in Waco, and daytime it is a very weak signal in my car... At night, might as well forget it. Don't get me wrong, I love Alex Jones but, it is too much hassle to try to listen to this station.

I'd consider a new radio if I were you - KLBJ ought to sound like a local in Waco. I'll check next time I go down 35, but as strong and clear as they are in Plano, TX, they could only be much stronger down that way. That is when not jammed by legal jamming. I never said illegal.

 

[MikeShannon914]

Even in the 70s and 80s, long before I considered myself a radio enthusiast or historian, I was DXing just to find something else on the air...music AND personalities...just to hear what was going on out of the area, and to see how different the music and talent was elsewhere. KDNT 106.1 Denton, KWTX 97.5 Waco, KRBE 104.1 Houston, WACO 99.9 Waco, KTBB 600 Tyler, KWFT 620 Wichita Falls, WLS 890 Chicago, KIKM 910 Sherman were some of my regulars, and even some of the Fort Worth stations were like rimshots to me then (me, being on the east side of Dallas)...KXOL, KFJZ, KNOK-AM/FM, etc.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Even in the 70s and 80s, long before I considered myself a radio enthusiast or historian, I was DXing just to find something else on the air...music AND personalities...just to hear what was going on out of the area, and to see how different the music and talent was elsewhere. KDNT 106.1 Denton, KWTX 97.5 Waco, KRBE 104.1 Houston, WACO 99.9 Waco, KTBB 600 Tyler, KWFT 620 Wichita Falls, WLS 890 Chicago, KIKM 910 Sherman were some of my regulars, and even some of the Fort Worth stations were like rimshots to me then (me, being on the east side of Dallas)...KXOL, KFJZ, KNOK-AM/FM, etc.

Be careful - you will be labelled as obsolete, irrelevant, a throw back, and a heretic for suggesting that you can get some unique programming by listening to out of market stations. The pro-HD gestapo is coming, be ready!

 

[salemjedi54]

Even in the 70s and 80s, long before I considered myself a radio enthusiast or historian, I was DXing just to find something else on the air...music AND personalities...just to hear what was going on out of the area, and to see how different the music and talent was elsewhere. KDNT 106.1 Denton, KWTX 97.5 Waco, KRBE 104.1 Houston, WACO 99.9 Waco, KTBB 600 Tyler, KWFT 620 Wichita Falls, WLS 890 Chicago, KIKM 910 Sherman were some of my regulars, and even some of the Fort Worth stations were like rimshots to me then (me, being on the east side of Dallas)...KXOL, KFJZ, KNOK-AM/FM, etc.

I got KOAI 106.1 crystal clear when I lived in Waco. That was in 1988 to 1990. it was a breath of fresh air coming from a hardcore K104 p1.

 

[radioguyntx]

it isnt just on my car radio (kenwood cd player), its on my home stereo (sony MHC-GX450) and a little portable radio. Of course I do live close to an AM broadcasting site.... so that could be it. But I have been able to pick up stations from NO, LA and such.