"U.S. automakers not jumping into HD Radio"

[Mike Walker]

The ipod is certainly a great seller, but at it's heart it's just a device to play recordings you already own. In that sense it's no more of a threat than were cassettes, eight tracks, lps, 78s, wax cylinders, etc. It occupies the same exact niche.

 

[noknownuser]

So, why did the US carmakers rush intergrating 3.5mm mini jacks into their factory car audio systems over the past two model years?

One word. Demand.

HD has a tough road to climb. It's nearly impossible to engineer demand for something when consumers could care less.

 

[R.F. Burns]

Mike and Burns have things totally backwards as usual.
Mike said:

Kids DO care about new music, and they can get it FREE on HD. I know they can get it free on the internet, but what they can't ever be is SURPRISED by what they hear.

Burns said:

Comparing I-pods to radio is like comparing Recordings to live events.

AM, FM and HD radio programming is predominantly the same old limited, over researched, frequently repeated, playola lists of recorded matter provided by a handful of dominant sources. Very little is actually live, and on HD radio, all is digitally delayed (recorded).

Virtually all SURPISES are from alternate fresh new sources, and the variety of many thousands of innovative internet streams. Yes, even sports, news, talk, and many formats unavailable on AM, FM, or HD from fresh new talent provides variety and SURPRISES old fashioned radio can only envy, and iBuzz about.

SO tell me where are new songs exposed? On I-Pods or on the radio as they have always been. People fill their I-pods with the songs they hear on the radio, or maybe from songs they hear at a friends house and where does the friend hear the music? On the radio. You don't seem to understand that music is only part of what radio does. How many live talkshows are there on your I-Pod, how many newscats. How about Baseball games, can you hear them with your I-Pod? How about traffic reports and weather, can your I-pod do that? Yes, the HD2's are just music or rebroadcasts of AM stations and at this point it's being done on the cheap, because there is no income supporting the programing. The I-Pod is a recording device. It's like a walkman with a very large choice of music. It isn't where people hear new music nor is it a place to hear fresh news. Give a listen to WCBS AM or WINS, both of whome stream on the internet and tell me how the I-Pod can replace that. Unless you have a disability which precludes a person from living a normal life, these recording devices won't replace broadcasting as we know it much as some obviously envious types wish it would.

 

[radiopilot]

SO tell me where are new songs exposed?

Try the internet... if alot of broadcasters are now streaming the music on the internet why would anyone need to turn on any radio to listen to the songs?

On I-Pods or on the radio as they have always been. People fill their I-pods with the songs they hear on the radio, or maybe from songs they hear at a friends house and where does the friend hear the music? On the radio.

Wrong again, as I said you now don't need terrestrial radio to know what new tunes are out there, the kids now have a choice of internet, satelite, and sharing Ipod music among friends!

You don't seem to understand that music is only part of what radio does. How many live talkshows are there on your I-Pod, how many newscats. How about Baseball games, can you hear them with your I-Pod? How about traffic reports and weather, can your I-pod do that?

Right... alot of young kids on Ipods are listening to news, dancing to baseball games, and jamming to talkshows... ask anyone anywhere what do they listen to on the Ipods... ha ha you almost make me laugh!

Yes, the HD2's are just music or rebroadcasts of AM stations and at this point it's being done on the cheap, because there is no income supporting the programing.

Who cares about HD2's, no one is listening to the main HD channel to start out with except the hardcore radio geeks with their cheeks planted one inch from the cheap HD receivers!

The I-Pod is a recording device. It's like a walkman with a very large choice of music. It isn't where people hear new music nor is it a place to hear fresh news. Give a listen to WCBS AM or WINS, both of whome stream on the internet and tell me how the I-Pod can replace that. Unless you have a disability which precludes a person from living a normal life, these recording devices won't replace broadcasting as we know it much as some obviously envious types wish it would.

Ipod is a recording device that allows the user to program the content he/she prefers to listen, if they wanted to listen to the radio, they would be using the walkman, ask any kid out there if they are listening to a walkman and get your answer along with strange looks!

Envious is in the eyes of the Ibiquity and NAB corporate rats that seek to try to strangle the satelite and now the internet websites from making them lose their market share... but guess what it will fall flat on their faces soon enough!

Radiopilot

 

[4dude]

"U.S. automakers not jumping into HD Radio"

EXCELLENT!!!!!

PLEEZ KEEP US POSTED ON THIS!!

 

[Mike Walker]

Yeah, PLEASE keep posting on this. And PLEASE make yourself available for comment when (inevitably) HD radios start rolling off the lines at GM, Ford, TOYOTA, etc. They certainly will. Ibiquity will beg, borrow, or steal whatever it takes to make that happen. Meantime, pocket HD radios will probably be on the market late this year, or early next.

 

[radiopilot]

Yeah, PLEASE keep posting on this. And PLEASE make yourself available for comment when (inevitably) HD radios start rolling off the lines at GM, Ford, TOYOTA, etc. They certainly will. Ibiquity will beg, borrow, or steal whatever it takes to make that happen. Meantime, pocket HD radios will probably be on the market late this year, or early next.

Thank you for admitting that Ibiquity were crooks! Keep hoping that those radios will be in the cars.. just make sure you buy a BMW or Jaguar or the Hyundai for that HD radio, make sure to fork up that $500 for the radio too... by the way I pre-ordered those portable HD radios for my children too they should have them by Christmas... Ha ha...

Radiopilot

 

[clouseau]

Thank you for admitting that Ibiquity were crooks! Keep hoping that those radios will be in the cars.. just make sure you buy a BMW or Jaguar or the Hyundai for that HD radio, make sure to fork up that $500 for the radio too... by the way I pre-ordered those portable HD radios for my children too they should have them by Christmas... Ha ha...

Radiopilot

I have watched these folks continue to proclaim that the radios won't come down in price. They will never be in cars. They will all be deaf. They're only in expensive cars. Oh wait, they're only in expensive cars and Hyundais. The system will never be approved. The chipset will never have a low enough power drain. It will never happen. Radio's will never be in main stream stores. It is NOT going to happen.

Bagdad Bob would be proud.

Maybe you could get some airtime to proclaim your truth on Al Jezeera.

Clouseau

 

[radiopilot]

Thank you for admitting that Ibiquity were crooks! Keep hoping that those radios will be in the cars.. just make sure you buy a BMW or Jaguar or the Hyundai for that HD radio, make sure to fork up that $500 for the radio too... by the way I pre-ordered those portable HD radios for my children too they should have them by Christmas... Ha ha...

Radiopilot

I have watched these folks continue to proclaim that the radios won't come down in price. They will never be in cars. They will all be deaf. They're only in expensive cars. Oh wait, they're only in expensive cars and Hyundais. The system will never be approved. The chipset will never have a low enough power drain. It will never happen. Radio's will never be in main stream stores. It is NOT going to happen.

Bagdad Bob would be proud.

Maybe you could get some airtime to proclaim your truth on Al Jezeera.

Clouseau

Right now I'm actually broadcasting to the public how lousy HD radio is and the corporate use of the FCC and how damage was done to the airwaves all in the name of greed right on the air as we speak....

Al Jazeera had HD too? Wow what a source of information Clouseau has turn out to be!

Radiopilot

 

[SUPERCASTER]

Bagdad Bob and Al Jezeera are involved in HD radio? (See clouseau's post, above).
How about Osama, Al Quida, and the Talaban? (Not the rock group).
I guess that is all part of the supposed connection (that keeps being posted here)between HD Radio, the Twin Towers, and September 11.
Are the HD radios supposed to be set to explode by digitally signaled remote control?
????

 

[PhilJSmith67]

Yes, all HD Radios can be triggered to explode via a special EAS signal. Don't try to tamper with the Model #C4 chip inside your receiver, either.

 

[RFLA]

When there is a big demand that people will go to another brand to get a car with that feature (such as the new input jacks for the i-pod) or the radio industry forks over huge amounts of money to the manufacturers to include it in their cars (sat radio) then we will see HD radio.. but with the shortcomings they are finding lately...It may take a FCC mandate to see it like digital TV

 

[radiopilot]

When there is a big demand that people will go to another brand to get a car with that feature (such as the new input jacks for the i-pod) or the radio industry forks over huge amounts of money to the manufacturers to include it in their cars (sat radio) then we will see HD radio.. but with the shortcomings they are finding lately...It may take a FCC mandate to see it like digital TV

This will never happen since the FCC has mandated that the transition by broadcasters and the public to HD radio will be made by the marketplace and of course if the public does not take well to HD radio, it'll go the way of the AM stereo which is why the major electronics manufacturers are not diving in head first as they did with AM stereo and 4 CH FM Quadraphonic earlier...

Radiopilot

 

[clouseau]

This will never happen...

So now you can see the future.

since the FCC has mandated that the transition by broadcasters and the public to HD radio will be made by the marketplace

Actually the phrase in the personal comments of one commissioner was the "SPEED of the transition"

and of course if the public does not take well to HD radio, it'll go the way of the AM stereo which is why the major electronics manufacturers are not diving in head first as they did with AM stereo and 4 CH FM Quadraphonic earlier...

OK now I'll admit I do not have exact facts yet, but I'm wondering... There's 40-50 varieties of HD radios today (a little over a month after final approval) Were there really that many more for AM stereo at one time EVER? Especially a month after they decided on CQUAM? I'm asking those that know and remember, not those that proclaim the future. I just don't recall them (Am I was a BIG fan of AM Stereo. Still am Actually)

Clouseau

 

[PhilJSmith67]

When I was looking for AM Stereo receivers in the mid 80s, I found about a dozen at any one point in time, tops. That included the very few handheld/Walkman units, after-market car radios, and home stereos. There could have been 40 or 50 over a two-decade span -- maybe. Some stock radios in cars had AM Stereo but, as was the case with my 1988 Chrysler, it wasn't publicized at all. There wasn't even a mention of it in the manual for the radio itself. It sounded nice, but I would bet that most car owners never realized that their radios were AM-stereo capable.

 

[clouseau]

When I was looking for AM Stereo receivers in the mid 80s, I found about a dozen at any one point in time, tops. That included the very few handheld/Walkman units, after-market car radios, and home stereos. There could have been 40 or 50 over a two-decade span -- maybe. Some stock radios in cars had AM Stereo but, as was the case with my 1988 Chrysler, it wasn't publicized at all. There wasn't even a mention of it in the manual for the radio itself. It sounded nice, but I would bet that most car owners never realized that their radios were AM-stereo capable.

That's pretty much what I remember. Again I'll state that was a long time ago and I wouldn't swear to it. I guess I'm wondering if time period to time period, there might be more HD radio models available then there were AM stereo models available. Of course the fact that it was only AM would influence that a lot.

Clouseau

 

[PocketRadio]

And the decision they'll make is to include it. Does anyone REALLY think HD won't be in the products of major car makers in a year or so? After all, terrestrial radio accounts for more then 90 percent of ALL radio listening!

Since HD radios are a $500 option on other vehicles, along with the $45 installation cost, this would be passed onto consumers, as either an option, or as an increase in the base price of vehicles - good luck.

Especially since no one listens to terrestrial radio in their cars... they are either listening to satelite, Ipods, or CD's, or retransmitting the mp3's through an FM modulator into the radio... My daughter NEVER listens to the radio she says... all her friends have satelite and or the connection for their Ipods to the radio....

Good Luck on selling HD radios in cars.... they're not even selling now in the stores!

Radiopilot

"Improving Car Reception - Antenna Talk"

"Especially now that I've got the HD Radio, poor reception issues can be an annoyance --- if I'm listening to a -2 station, it'll completely drop out."

http://tinyurl.com/22jd9f

Word will get around from the BMW and Jaguar owners, that HD reception in automobiles is just as poor as with table-top HD Radio - in-dash HD Radio will fail, too.

 

[clouseau]

DESPERAION - MISLEADING QUOTE ALERT!!

"Improving Car Reception - Antenna Talk"

"Especially now that I've got the HD Radio, poor reception issues can be an annoyance --- if I'm listening to a -2 station, it'll completely drop out."

Word will get around from the BMW and Jaguar owners, that HD reception in automobiles is just as poor as with table-top HD Radio - in-dash HD Radio will fail, too.

Article is about a car antenna. It starts out with...

"Improving Car Reception - Antenna Talk

So, my car has a pretty lousy antenna. I noticed it when I first got the car, that the reception isn't as good as my old car Old car had a slantyways antenna sticking up on the roof. This car has one of those grid things right on the rear windshield....

While the sentence you quote IS in there, you are distorting the meaning. You are begiinning to rely more and more on Smoke, Mirrors and out and out deception to advance your cause. Your recently new-found attempts to misrepreset other people's opinions as supporting your beliefs are curious. Are you having trouble finding people to support your position? Or are you just getting lazy?

And this in response to a post from over 3 weeks ago?

Times must be getting tough.

Clouseau

 

[PocketRadio]

Re: DESPERAION - MISLEADING QUOTE ALERT!!

Or are you just getting lazy?

Clouseau

"Is HD Radio Worth It?"

"HD radio sucks. If you have it in your car, and for some reason it can't pick up the HD signal, then it'll drop back to normal analog FM. But there's a difference in the broadcast time between the two, so it'll jump about 10 seconds forward or backward as you go between HD and analog radio. This could happen driving under powerlines, behind a building, in the mountians. Some stations fix this by time delaying their analog broadcast to sync it, but most don't. It's been reported that people have returned their cars which came with HD radios because it was "broken" because of this time sync problems. Then again, with satelite radio you are paying per month, which sucks. I say, stick with FM analog. It works."

http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/007853.html

Yea, I'm just getting lazy !

 

[notalent]

If you had an HD radio you would find that your above quote is just not true.

these problems do not exist with a properly installed HD radio listening to a properly set up HD radio station.

So just what is the reason that feel you must distort facts so cavalierly?