How do/does the station(s) that play urban and/or rap music do in Indianapolis?
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Urban in Indy
- Thread starter Stench_Dog
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Since Emmis finally decided to go after WFMS' sole position as Indy's country station, will anyone go after Radio One's sole possession of the urban crowd?
bigtime said:
WHHH's signal is downright horrible southeast of Indy. It starts bumping severely with the Austin 96.3 not too far from just north of the Johnson-Shelby county line on I-65...a mere 20-25 miles from WHHH's tower.
... Which is perfectly normal for a class A FM. Spacing between co-channel A stations is only required to be 42 miles if memory serves.
If anyone would go after WHHH, it would be one of the "classic rockers," as Steppenwolf calls them. Wouldn't be Q because they rate top 5 12+ and probably better male 25-54. Probably wouldn't be Oasis because classic hits has broader demos than WHHH. The Track might flip again to try to get out of the cellar, but not for six to nine months.
If anyone would go after WHHH, it would be one of the "classic rockers," as Steppenwolf calls them. Wouldn't be Q because they rate top 5 12+ and probably better male 25-54. Probably wouldn't be Oasis because classic hits has broader demos than WHHH. The Track might flip again to try to get out of the cellar, but not for six to nine months.
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TalkRadioGeek
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The Track? That would be stupid... If you had arbitron ratings, you'd see that The Track is starting to really catch on, it takes a little more then 6 or 9 months for a station to gain footing.
How about Emmis flips WIBC... It's dropped more then any other station, from an 8 share to a 5 share in the 12+... WIBC must be broken, since it is mired in the 5th spot in the market, and with HD radio now, Urban and Rap would really be a smart move for the talker.
How about Emmis flips WIBC... It's dropped more then any other station, from an 8 share to a 5 share in the 12+... WIBC must be broken, since it is mired in the 5th spot in the market, and with HD radio now, Urban and Rap would really be a smart move for the talker.
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radio2100
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PTBoardOp94 said:
What cellar? Have you seen the latest numbers?
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Ann Tenna
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TalkRadioGeek said:
Yes, get ahead of the HD curve now by turning WIBC into a rap station. Those 50 or so people in the city that have HD radios will LOVE that deep thumping bass...at least until sunset!
Do you think that HD will end up with the same fate as AM stereo? If and when the day comes that HD radio comes as standard equipment in vehicles, it might survive. If HD's future is dependent upon people buying a new car radio to be able to pick it up, it's not going to last.
Ur-A-Dawg said:
Radio2100: I have now seen the latest Arbs and was rather surprised to learn how high the Track is.
Steppenwolf: HD on AM doesn't seem like an idea that will win many fans. The biggest deal promoting FM HD (to me, anyway) is additional channels. That won't happen on AM. Then again, I haven't heard an actual HD radio, just a few clips posted by users of this and the "other" site.
Steppenwolf: HD on AM doesn't seem like an idea that will win many fans. The biggest deal promoting FM HD (to me, anyway) is additional channels. That won't happen on AM. Then again, I haven't heard an actual HD radio, just a few clips posted by users of this and the "other" site.
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TalkRadioGeek
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Sarcasm, my friends.
I really don't think HD sounds much different, the couple of times I've heard it, but I head it at a Best Buy, not out roving on the street. If anyone has heard HD in a car, is it much different? I know there are two channels, and WZPL has a comedy channel, so that is cool. But it's still out of my price range.
I really don't think HD sounds much different, the couple of times I've heard it, but I head it at a Best Buy, not out roving on the street. If anyone has heard HD in a car, is it much different? I know there are two channels, and WZPL has a comedy channel, so that is cool. But it's still out of my price range.
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little_sister
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Back on topic--
If anyone in the market is going after WHHH, it's WNOU. I'm sure this has always been a priority on the list of things to do, but it seems as if they are actually taking steps in the right direction these days. Notice, I said "steps." They have a long way to go. I'm sure the "what's next" stunt just disappointed people. It did me, at least. Glad I didn't make it a priority to wake up at 7 am to hear that you can text message a vote, see Nelly Furtado at their Christmas show, and hear a new host during middays.
If anyone in the market is going after WHHH, it's WNOU. I'm sure this has always been a priority on the list of things to do, but it seems as if they are actually taking steps in the right direction these days. Notice, I said "steps." They have a long way to go. I'm sure the "what's next" stunt just disappointed people. It did me, at least. Glad I didn't make it a priority to wake up at 7 am to hear that you can text message a vote, see Nelly Furtado at their Christmas show, and hear a new host during middays.
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Ann Tenna
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TalkRadioGeek said:
As one of the few (but growing ) numbers who actually have both a home and auto HD receiver, I can say that without pretty good speakers, the difference in audio quality from the analog FM is "subtle". However, AM HD is spectacular, it sounds as good as analog FM, and the difference is noticeable immediately. This can open up the possibilities of virtually any format for AM now, including hip hop. The only real drawbacks to HD right now are that the digital signal doesn't really cover the entire analog coverage area and the buffering time of the receivers. Once the FCC comes up with a real set of HD rules, hopefully the HD signal strength issue can be resolved. The receiver buffering time is something for the engineers to figure out.
Some wonderful ideas have come out with the wrong timing. HD IBOC radio is one of these.
How about the RCA video disc player that came out at the same time as the VCR. The beta
VCR. The digital cassette. The mini disc came out at the same time people learned to burn their
own regular CDS. HD IBOC is too damn late. A glitch while traveling is almost un-noticed with
regular FM. How about buffering? It's the internet that is going to fly not IBOC. There are untold
thousands of choices with internet radio. How many with IBOC? Sorry guys, It's going to go
flop flop flop.
And back to WHHH, they are the best in Indy.
How about the RCA video disc player that came out at the same time as the VCR. The beta
VCR. The digital cassette. The mini disc came out at the same time people learned to burn their
own regular CDS. HD IBOC is too damn late. A glitch while traveling is almost un-noticed with
regular FM. How about buffering? It's the internet that is going to fly not IBOC. There are untold
thousands of choices with internet radio. How many with IBOC? Sorry guys, It's going to go
flop flop flop.
And back to WHHH, they are the best in Indy.
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radio2100
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Ur-A-Dawg said:
Ur-A-Dawg said:
At least until radio is completely replaced by the internet - as you so point out.
We spent a fortune to put the digital on our stations and is anyone listening?
Any kid with a broadband connection and some free software from Microsoft can do an internet station for nothing.
They've got internet radio in cars in Japan.
Any kid with a broadband connection and some free software from Microsoft can do an internet station for nothing.
They've got internet radio in cars in Japan.
Internet radio WILL render traditional radio obsolete one day. It's coming.
Tired-Old-Dog said:
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TalkRadioGeek
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I just get skeptical when people say that internet-based media will replace traditional media. Sirius has this new product named the Stiletto, its a personal reciever. You can play sat radio on your PC via wi-fi. I listen to the radio when I am driving, or on my construction job. I can get a radio for 10 bucks that can get destroyed, and will play anywhere.
So maybe, MANY years down the road, wi-fi will provide roaming internet radio, but I just think it's so complicated and so much of a hassle that the average person won't care, and won't want to spend the money. An ipod is easy, and improves your life in a simplistic way. You aren't fumbling for cds or scanning for a good song on the radio. You have total control over what you listen to.
Secondly, we lament the radio business, but overall, it's still good stuff. I don't think a pimply faced music snob can improve a WZPL, WNOU, or WHHH. They can take it in different directions and say things you can't over the FCC's airwaves, but who cares. It will be targeted to that person's taste, not the public's taste, which a public station strives for.
Thirdly, Big Radio has big money in Washington and elsewhere, and would squash any attempt to take over their market.
So maybe, MANY years down the road, wi-fi will provide roaming internet radio, but I just think it's so complicated and so much of a hassle that the average person won't care, and won't want to spend the money. An ipod is easy, and improves your life in a simplistic way. You aren't fumbling for cds or scanning for a good song on the radio. You have total control over what you listen to.
Secondly, we lament the radio business, but overall, it's still good stuff. I don't think a pimply faced music snob can improve a WZPL, WNOU, or WHHH. They can take it in different directions and say things you can't over the FCC's airwaves, but who cares. It will be targeted to that person's taste, not the public's taste, which a public station strives for.
Thirdly, Big Radio has big money in Washington and elsewhere, and would squash any attempt to take over their market.
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