Urban Radio in Los Angeles

[davideduardo]

Your right just about the same with KKBT listeners through the years majority of them were Hispanic. Compared to now radio companies dont wanna take a risk with a Urban Contempary format but Los Angeles has changed.

I did a run on KKBT using Spring of 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001.

Average Quarter Hour: 56% Black, 23% Hispanic, 22% other.

Using 2002 to 2005, its 55% Black, 32% Hispanic, 14% other.

Through the years, the majority of the KKBT listeners were Black, not Hispanic.

 

[VIBE109]

VIBE 109 fills a void for R&B music and the urban format. The station just debuted - www.vibe109.com.

I havent heard it yet but ill give it a try. Is there a app or another way to listen on the iphone?

Sorry I didn't reply sooner. There is a link for mobile streaming on the home page. There will also soon be an app specifically for the iPhone and Android devices available soon.

By the way, tonight will be mainly urban-oriented club/dance; typically the the sound is R&B except for Saturday nights and Sunday mornings/afternoon. Check out our website for programming information. You can also make suggestions for the type of music you'd like to hear: http://www.vibe109.com/music.html

I got the link eariler by another member but thank you for following up. The stations sounds great wish you the best with the station

Thank you very much. Fine-tuning the mix...

 

[wdb2003]

Your right just about the same with KKBT listeners through the years majority of them were Hispanic. Compared to now radio companies dont wanna take a risk with a Urban Contempary format but Los Angeles has changed.

I did a run on KKBT using Spring of 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001.

Average Quarter Hour: 56% Black, 23% Hispanic, 22% other.

Using 2002 to 2005, its 55% Black, 32% Hispanic, 14% other.

Through the years, the majority of the KKBT listeners were Black, not Hispanic.

Wow Im actually suprised by the numbers even during KKBT's final years. I would figure most of their listeners were Hispanics during the early 2000's Thanks David

 

[kilamanjero]

KMEL's audience composition is like 35% black, 40% Hispanic/Latino, and 25% Asian. Ironically, although KMEL's playlist is very much 'urban contemporary', but the majority of its audience is Hispanic and Latino.

Six month average shows KMEL at around 38% Black, 22% Hispanic and 39% "Other." Arbitron does not break out Asian, and "other" means everyone who is neither black nor Hispanic (Arbitron does not contemplate Hispanic Blacks as the question is 'one of the following.").

In the US, Hispanic and Latino have approximately the same meaning save for nit-pickers like myself who will point out that Brazilians are Latinos but not Hispanics. Arbitron uses the term "Hispanic" exclusively, while the Census offers many alternitives ranging from Latino and Hispanic and even the dated "Spanish" to Chicano and national origin based choices like "Mexican" or "Cuban."

In general, unless not mainstreamed, Urban Contemporary formats tend to have very low Hispanic usage, while pure Urbans may get a significant share from that group.

Well, it looks like I had the KMEL numbers for the Hispanic and "Other" mixed up, but it's likely the "Other" is Asians considering that is the Bay Area. If my memory serves me right, KMEL is the only urban contemporary in the US that doesn't have a majority black audience.

 

[Hamp]

Wouldn't things be easier if American urbans operated a bit more like London's BBC Radio 1xtra "Love Black Music, Love 1 Xtra" formatting? not only do they play and feature much more exclusive urban music, but they also have more variety than American urbans! In addition to reggae/dancehall specialty programming with their brand new r&b and hip hop specialty shows, they also play urban dance, urban drum & bass, ....etc. They also play things that are heavily urban influenced but aren't exactly classified as "urban" by American standards.

Yes, we're used to the way things are done now and may not accept the change if it were to happen, but I'm sure if American urbans as a whole changed up their formatting structure a bit, it would "catch on" and people would "get used to it". Not sure why American urbans are so limited to one sound. Why can't we try the urban format structures that other countries (African / European...etc.) use with more variety? Some may reject it at first, but I surely bet the urban lean rhythmic sound could work in the U.S. (but without all the news stops and talking that BBC tends to offer). If you're not familiar with how BBC Radio 1xtra in London operates, imagine combining certain elements of WVEE, WQHT, and WPOW into one and adding the KPWR Power Tools show on a weekend night and scheduling everything in such a way that it works as "the new sound of American urban radio".

Actually a lot of Urban Contemporary stations in the United States during the 1980's and early 90's used to be a lot more diverse in programming. It was not uncommon to hear various types of crossover as well as Dance Music on Urban Radio. What began to happen was companies began to think the more you "niche" a format, the better the format would be. With the rise of the Rhythmic Contemporary format, I think a lot Urbans felt as if they needed to be more "centered" in their music selection rather than being all over the place. Right now, I really don't care for a lot of Urban Radio, particularly Mainstream Urban Contemporaray. It is too focused on Hip-Hop and not enough on R&B. Don't get me wrong, I like Hip-Hop, but not consistently. I am a little more gravitated towards the Rhythmic format than anything. You actually get a little bit of everything. Which is what Urban USED to be.

 

[kilamanjero]

Wouldn't things be easier if American urbans operated a bit more like London's BBC Radio 1xtra "Love Black Music, Love 1 Xtra" formatting? not only do they play and feature much more exclusive urban music, but they also have more variety than American urbans! In addition to reggae/dancehall specialty programming with their brand new r&b and hip hop specialty shows, they also play urban dance, urban drum & bass, ....etc. They also play things that are heavily urban influenced but aren't exactly classified as "urban" by American standards.

Yes, we're used to the way things are done now and may not accept the change if it were to happen, but I'm sure if American urbans as a whole changed up their formatting structure a bit, it would "catch on" and people would "get used to it". Not sure why American urbans are so limited to one sound. Why can't we try the urban format structures that other countries (African / European...etc.) use with more variety? Some may reject it at first, but I surely bet the urban lean rhythmic sound could work in the U.S. (but without all the news stops and talking that BBC tends to offer). If you're not familiar with how BBC Radio 1xtra in London operates, imagine combining certain elements of WVEE, WQHT, and WPOW into one and adding the KPWR Power Tools show on a weekend night and scheduling everything in such a way that it works as "the new sound of American urban radio".

Actually a lot of Urban Contemporary stations in the United States during the 1980's and early 90's used to be a lot more diverse in programming. It was not uncommon to hear various types of crossover as well as Dance Music on Urban Radio. What began to happen was companies began to think the more you "niche" a format, the better the format would be. With the rise of the Rhythmic Contemporary format, I think a lot Urbans felt as if they needed to be more "centered" in their music selection rather than being all over the place. Right now, I really don't care for a lot of Urban Radio, particularly Mainstream Urban Contemporaray. It is too focused on Hip-Hop and not enough on R&B. Don't get me wrong, I like Hip-Hop, but not consistently. I am a little more gravitated towards the Rhythmic format than anything. You actually get a little bit of everything. Which is what Urban USED to be.

Precisely, urban radio used to be way more broad in song choices. Many of the trademark urban stations like WGCI/Chicago, WEDR/Miami used to spin as many crossover songs as the "chrurbans" of our generation WPGC/Washington, KMEL/San Francisco, WJHM/Orlando. There are only a few urban stations in major markets that are true "urban contemporary" formatted like WVEE/Atlanta and the present-day KMEL. The rest are basically "mainstream urban" stations that spin more hip-hop (which is usually cleared as a "promotional single") and sprinkle in R&B that charts well on the Billboard R&B/Hip-Hop panel.

 

[AM FM listener]

If my memory serves me right, KMEL is the only urban contemporary in the US that doesn't have a majority black audience.

In that case, I question if KMEL is truly Urban. Mediabase classifies it as Rhythmic. However, others on these boards have questioned Mediabase's accuracy when it comes to format panels.

What are the ethnic compositions of certain other Rhythmics in Mediabase's panel, such as WQHT, KBXX and WPGC?

 

[kilamanjero]

If my memory serves me right, KMEL is the only urban contemporary in the US that doesn't have a majority black audience.

In that case, I question if KMEL is truly Urban. Mediabase classifies it as Rhythmic. However, others on these boards have questioned Mediabase's accuracy when it comes to format panels.

What are the ethnic compositions of certain other Rhythmics in Mediabase's panel, such as WQHT, KBXX and WPGC?

All of those are have majority black audiences from my knowledge, but their classification is quite subjective considering the vast majority of their playlists are songs on the Billboard R&B/Hip-Hop charts. However, "urban" doesn't automatically equate to black majority audience. The whole "urban" or "rhythmic" classification for certain stations in a number of cities is ambiguous and subject to each individual station.

 

[wdb2003]

If my memory serves me right, KMEL is the only urban contemporary in the US that doesn't have a majority black audience.

In that case, I question if KMEL is truly Urban. Mediabase classifies it as Rhythmic. However, others on these boards have questioned Mediabase's accuracy when it comes to format panels.

What are the ethnic compositions of certain other Rhythmics in Mediabase's panel, such as WQHT, KBXX and WPGC?

All of those are have majority black audiences from my knowledge, but their classification is quite subjective considering the vast majority of their playlists are songs on the Billboard R&B/Hip-Hop charts. However, "urban" doesn't automatically equate to black majority audience. The whole "urban" or "rhythmic" classification for certain stations in a number of cities is ambiguous and subject to each individual station.

Wasnt KBXX in Houston a Rhythmic station at first? Before the Radio One era. I remeber through the years Houston having quite a few Rhythmic station that lean Hip Hop and r&b heavily espically in the early 2000's. Party 104.9 then 99.3, Hot (I cant remeber the freqency) and Power 97.5?

 

[recto101]

KMEL's audience composition is like 35% black, 40% Hispanic/Latino, and 25% Asian. Ironically, although KMEL's playlist is very much 'urban contemporary', but the majority of its audience is Hispanic and Latino.

Six month average shows KMEL at around 38% Black, 22% Hispanic and 39% "Other." Arbitron does not break out Asian, and "other" means everyone who is neither black nor Hispanic (Arbitron does not contemplate Hispanic Blacks as the question is 'one of the following.").

In the US, Hispanic and Latino have approximately the same meaning save for nit-pickers like myself who will point out that Brazilians are Latinos but not Hispanics. Arbitron uses the term "Hispanic" exclusively, while the Census offers many alternitives ranging from Latino and Hispanic and even the dated "Spanish" to Chicano and national origin based choices like "Mexican" or "Cuban."

In general, unless not mainstreamed, Urban Contemporary formats tend to have very low Hispanic usage, while pure Urbans may get a significant share from that group.

Well, it looks like I had the KMEL numbers for the Hispanic and "Other" mixed up, but it's likely the "Other" is Asians considering that is the Bay Area. If my memory serves me right, KMEL is the only urban contemporary in the US that doesn't have a majority black audience.

I remember that Back in the 1990's KTSF-TV san Francisco did a segment of KMEL and it said that KMEL targeted a large Filipino Audience in Daly City and Vallejo between age 13-26 according to that 1990's report. But I don't have the latest research as of 2010's. Hint the word Tweens did not exist back then

 

[recto101]

@e-dawg KJLH also plays jazz in the mix too. They're changing their musical pattern because IMO it's because of the dissappearing black population. KJLH always played jazz in rotation since Cliff Winston's tenure there since the 90's. They played Boney James, Kirk Walum,etc in rotation. KDAY I appreciate.

KBLX was listed Smooth Jazz NAC in the 1980's and 1990's with Smooth R&B in the mix.

 

[BJordan]

@e-dawg KJLH also plays jazz in the mix too. They're changing their musical pattern because IMO it's because of the dissappearing black population. KJLH always played jazz in rotation since Cliff Winston's tenure there since the 90's. They played Boney James, Kirk Walum,etc in rotation. KDAY I appreciate.

KBLX was listed Smooth Jazz NAC in the 1980's and 1990's with Smooth R&B in the mix.

Yeah I know. KBLX did play Smooth Jazz in the 90's. It's nothing new. Even in the late 80's KJLH played a plethora of music. They spuned Reggae, Contemporary R&B, some rap and urban jazz. The jazz played was Boney James Better With Time Feat Bilal, Kirk Walium's 1998 cover of Stevie Wonder's All I Do, George Duke's "Guess You're Not The One". "Guess You're Not The One" had became the most requsted urban jazz record on KJLH during the course of 2002-03. They also mixed in jazz with Ruff Endz Someone To Love You, Donell Jones You Know That I Love You and Luther Vandross Take You Out. According to wdb2003 KJLH spun the original album versions of Ruff Endz Someone To Love You, Donell Jones You Know That I Love You and Luther Vandross Take You Out in 2001-02 then after a few spins KJLH started mixing the jazz in those hits.

 

[recto101]

@e-dawg KJLH also plays jazz in the mix too. They're changing their musical pattern because IMO it's because of the dissappearing black population. KJLH always played jazz in rotation since Cliff Winston's tenure there since the 90's. They played Boney James, Kirk Walum,etc in rotation. KDAY I appreciate.

KBLX was listed Smooth Jazz NAC in the 1980's and 1990's with Smooth R&B in the mix.

Yeah I know. KBLX did play Smooth Jazz in the 90's. It's nothing new. Even in the late 80's KJLH played a plethora of music. They spuned Reggae, Contemporary R&B, some rap and urban jazz. The jazz played was Boney James Better With Time Feat Bilal, Kirk Walium's 1998 cover of Stevie Wonder's All I Do, George Duke's "Guess You're Not The One". "Guess You're Not The One" had became the most requsted urban jazz record on KJLH during the course of 2002-03. They also mixed in jazz with Ruff Endz Someone To Love You, Donell Jones You Know That I Love You and Luther Vandross Take You Out. According to wdb2003 KJLH spun the original album versions of Ruff Endz Someone To Love You, Donell Jones You Know That I Love You and Luther Vandross Take You Out in 2001-02 then after a few spins KJLH started mixing the jazz in those hits.

I think you have to be a Low Power non-profit station like Ozcat 89.5 Vallejo to get away with that.

 

[kilamanjero]

If my memory serves me right, KMEL is the only urban contemporary in the US that doesn't have a majority black audience.

In that case, I question if KMEL is truly Urban. Mediabase classifies it as Rhythmic. However, others on these boards have questioned Mediabase's accuracy when it comes to format panels.

What are the ethnic compositions of certain other Rhythmics in Mediabase's panel, such as WQHT, KBXX and WPGC?

All of those are have majority black audiences from my knowledge, but their classification is quite subjective considering the vast majority of their playlists are songs on the Billboard R&B/Hip-Hop charts. However, "urban" doesn't automatically equate to black majority audience. The whole "urban" or "rhythmic" classification for certain stations in a number of cities is ambiguous and subject to each individual station.

Wasnt KBXX in Houston a Rhythmic station at first? Before the Radio One era. I remeber through the years Houston having quite a few Rhythmic station that lean Hip Hop and r&b heavily espically in the early 2000's. Party 104.9 then 99.3, Hot (I cant remeber the freqency) and Power 97.5?

Yeah, KBXX was a Rhythmic initially that spun mostly top40 and some R&B/hip-hop back in the 1990s. However, after Radio One took over it drastically shifted to mostly hip-hop oriented with little R&B that you see with their playlist today. In a way, Radio One ruined that station...

 

[pjc1961]

I just went to Mediabase. It shows KHHT-HD as a Urban reporter.

KHHT HD 2 is just another CC jukebox. It carries The Beat HD channel from iheartradio.com On air its called 92.3 HD 2 Jamz. The HD 2 channel use to carry Slow Jams 24/7 and then the old Mega 92.3 format. I havent listen since last year when I got a new car it didnt come with HD. Dj's are on too but VT from Chicago WGCI FM. I heard Tony Sculfield one time. Its basically Mainstream Urban and but doesnt have a LA feel to it. Mostly what youll hear on a Mainstream Urban station in the south like KKDA in Dallas.

By the way the wiki page for KHHT says the HD format flip took place this month. The Mainstream Urban format on that channel has been up for over a year or more now.

Dang my car stereo needs an HD tuner so I can get the feel what a full service urban contemporary outlet in Los Angeles sounds like or I should get an HD for my iPhone's iheartradio app so I listen to KHHT HD-2. Wow Hip Hop & R&B has crept back to the 92.3 dial 'bout time. BTW wdb2003 KHHT HD-2 has been playing hip hop since July 2009. Mainstream Urbans owned by CC (except for KMEL in SF, WWPR Power 105.1 in NY and WUSL Power 99) sound watered down IMO. BTW when KDAY was focusing on currents it didn't sound L.A. centric until it turned back to a gold based(mainly 90's and early 2000's Hip Hop/R&B) hip hop station. What if we didn't have any Rhythmic or Urban out here in L.A. our market will be like Pittsburg because they don't have no urban or rhythmic outlet.

I already know the year. Its funny how you repeat everything other memebers and myself told you on this board from past post. Pittsburg does have a urban station again. WAMO is back on. WPYT 660am (daytimer) and a translator at 100.1fm not that much coverage with the translator but 660am is stronger. The HD radio app is free but the HD Turner is extra. Its $40- $80 bucks and only available at Radio Shack. Maybe ebay but I perfer to buy a new one. Your better off with Tune In Radio app and Iheartradio app. When Mt. Wilson gets bad weather the HD channels sometimes go off for days.

One option for HD radio in the car as mentioned by wdb2003: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2991655

More shopping options: http://www.google.com/search?source...THDPK1+Transportable+HD+Receiver+with+Car+Kit

 

[BJordan]

@e-dawg KJLH also plays jazz in the mix too. They're changing their musical pattern because IMO it's because of the dissappearing black population. KJLH always played jazz in rotation since Cliff Winston's tenure there since the 90's. They played Boney James, Kirk Walum,etc in rotation. KDAY I appreciate.

KBLX was listed Smooth Jazz NAC in the 1980's and 1990's with Smooth R&B in the mix.

Yeah I know. KBLX did play Smooth Jazz in the 90's. It's nothing new. Even in the late 80's KJLH played a plethora of music. They spuned Reggae, Contemporary R&B, some rap and urban jazz. The jazz played was Boney James Better With Time Feat Bilal, Kirk Walium's 1998 cover of Stevie Wonder's All I Do, George Duke's "Guess You're Not The One". "Guess You're Not The One" had became the most requsted urban jazz record on KJLH during the course of 2002-03. They also mixed in jazz with Ruff Endz Someone To Love You, Donell Jones You Know That I Love You and Luther Vandross Take You Out. According to wdb2003 KJLH spun the original album versions of Ruff Endz Someone To Love You, Donell Jones You Know That I Love You and Luther Vandross Take You Out in 2001-02 then after a few spins KJLH started mixing the jazz in those hits.

I think you have to be a Low Power non-profit station like Ozcat 89.5 Vallejo to get away with that.

Hey KJLH is low powered also so they can get a way with spinning everything in the urban music category. Weather it's jazz, gospel, R&B, hip hop KJLH will spin it. Here's what I think KJLH should do. IMO they should drop(not necessarily all) the hip hop, play more gold hits(preferably 90's up to 2002 R&B hits). They should get another PD because Aundrae Russell doesn't know how to program an Urban AC station right.

 

[wdb2003]

If my memory serves me right, KMEL is the only urban contemporary in the US that doesn't have a majority black audience.

In that case, I question if KMEL is truly Urban. Mediabase classifies it as Rhythmic. However, others on these boards have questioned Mediabase's accuracy when it comes to format panels.

What are the ethnic compositions of certain other Rhythmics in Mediabase's panel, such as WQHT, KBXX and WPGC?

All of those are have majority black audiences from my knowledge, but their classification is quite subjective considering the vast majority of their playlists are songs on the Billboard R&B/Hip-Hop charts. However, "urban" doesn't automatically equate to black majority audience. The whole "urban" or "rhythmic" classification for certain stations in a number of cities is ambiguous and subject to each individual station.

Wasnt KBXX in Houston a Rhythmic station at first? Before the Radio One era. I remeber through the years Houston having quite a few Rhythmic station that lean Hip Hop and r&b heavily espically in the early 2000's. Party 104.9 then 99.3, Hot (I cant remeber the freqency) and Power 97.5?

Yeah, KBXX was a Rhythmic initially that spun mostly top40 and some R&B/hip-hop back in the 1990s. However, after Radio One took over it drastically shifted to mostly hip-hop oriented with little R&B that you see with their playlist today. In a way, Radio One ruined that station...

Just like WILD in Boston. I just dont get Radio Ones whole agenda sad enough TV One is in the same state now

 

[BJordan]

If my memory serves me right, KMEL is the only urban contemporary in the US that doesn't have a majority black audience.

In that case, I question if KMEL is truly Urban. Mediabase classifies it as Rhythmic. However,


others on these boards have questioned Mediabase's accuracy when it comes to format panels.

What are the ethnic compositions of certain other Rhythmics in Mediabase's panel, such as WQHT, KBXX and WPGC?

All of those are have majority black audiences from my knowledge, but their classification is quite subjective considering the vast majority of their playlists are songs on the Billboard R&B/Hip-Hop charts. However, "urban" doesn't automatically equate to black majority audience. The whole "urban" or "rhythmic" classification for certain stations in a number of cities is ambiguous and subject to each individual station.

Wasnt KBXX in Houston a Rhythmic station at first? Before the Radio One era. I remeber through the years Houston having quite a few Rhythmic station that lean Hip Hop and r&b heavily espically in the early 2000's. Party 104.9 then 99.3, Hot (I cant remeber the freqency) and Power 97.5?

Yeah, KBXX was a Rhythmic initially that spun mostly top40 and some R&B/hip-hop back in the 1990s. However, after Radio One took over it drastically shifted to mostly hip-hop oriented with little R&B that you see with their playlist today. In a way, Radio One ruined that station...

Just like WILD in Boston. I just dont get Radio Ones whole agenda sad enough TV One is in the same state now

Just like how radio one ruined KKBT 100.3 The Beat in 2005-07. First by Dumping Steve Harvey, making Tom C PD and hiring Tom Joyner to do morning. IMO KKBT was sounding screwed up in the Tom C & Tom Joyner era. Cliff Winston was only reason why I dealt with "The New V-100" because he is an L.A. Centric radio host. The should've made Cliff Winston PD of KKBT shortly after they hired him maybe it would still be around. Just a thought :

 

[Hamp]

If my memory serves me right, KMEL is the only urban contemporary in the US that doesn't have a majority black audience.

In that case, I question if KMEL is truly Urban. Mediabase classifies it as Rhythmic. However,


others on these boards have questioned Mediabase's accuracy when it comes to format panels.

What are the ethnic compositions of certain other Rhythmics in Mediabase's panel, such as WQHT, KBXX and WPGC?

All of those are have majority black audiences from my knowledge, but their classification is quite subjective considering the vast majority of their playlists are songs on the Billboard R&B/Hip-Hop charts. However, "urban" doesn't automatically equate to black majority audience. The whole "urban" or "rhythmic" classification for certain stations in a number of cities is ambiguous and subject to each individual station.

Wasnt KBXX in Houston a Rhythmic station at first? Before the Radio One era. I remeber through the years Houston having quite a few Rhythmic station that lean Hip Hop and r&b heavily espically in the early 2000's. Party 104.9 then 99.3, Hot (I cant remeber the freqency) and Power 97.5?

Yeah, KBXX was a Rhythmic initially that spun mostly top40 and some R&B/hip-hop back in the 1990s. However, after Radio One took over it drastically shifted to mostly hip-hop oriented with little R&B that you see with their playlist today. In a way, Radio One ruined that station...

Just like WILD in Boston. I just dont get Radio Ones whole agenda sad enough TV One is in the same state now

Just like how radio one ruined KKBT 100.3 The Beat in 2005-07. First by Dumping Steve Harvey, making Tom C PD and hiring Tom Joyner to do morning. IMO KKBT was sounding screwed up in the Tom C & Tom Joyner era. Cliff Winston was only reason why I dealt with "The New V-100" because he is an L.A. Centric radio host. The should've made Cliff Winston PD of KKBT shortly after they hired him maybe it would still be around. Just a thought :

100.3 isn't around as an Urban (or rhythmic) format anymore because Radio One didn't know how to program to an audience outside of African-Americans. In L.A., that's not a good thing. When Radio One went Urban AC with 100.3, it was a good station, just not for L.A. What works in Houston, Cleveland, Dallas, Atlanta and D.C. (where there is a significant African-American population, also where RO owns stations) will not work in Southern California. L.A. is a totally different animal and doesn't have the African-American numbers like it used to back in the day. You HAVE to skew Hispanic in order for somewhat of an "Urban" format to work there, whether it be Urban or Urban Adult. Radio One thought that one size fits all.

 

[BJordan]

If my memory serves me right, KMEL is the only urban contemporary in the US that doesn't have a majority black audience.

In that case, I question if KMEL is truly Urban. Mediabase classifies it as Rhythmic. However,


others on these boards have questioned Mediabase's accuracy when it comes to format panels.

What are the ethnic compositions of certain other Rhythmics in Mediabase's panel, such as WQHT, KBXX and WPGC?

All of those are have majority black audiences from my knowledge, but their classification is quite






subjective considering the vast majority of their playlists are songs on the Billboard R&B/Hip-Hop charts. However, "urban" doesn't automatically equate to black majority audience. The whole "urban" or "rhythmic" classification for certain stations in a number of cities is ambiguous and subject to each individual station.

Wasnt KBXX in Houston a Rhythmic station at first? Before the Radio One era. I remeber through the years Houston having quite a few Rhythmic station that lean Hip Hop and r&b heavily espically in the early 2000's. Party 104.9 then 99.3, Hot (I cant remeber the freqency) and Power 97.5?

Yeah, KBXX was a Rhythmic initially that spun mostly top40 and some R&B/hip-hop back in the 1990s. However, after Radio One took over it drastically shifted to mostly hip-hop oriented with little R&B that you see with their playlist today. In a way, Radio One ruined that station...

Just like WILD in Boston. I just dont get Radio Ones whole agenda sad enough TV One is in the same state now

Just like how radio one ruined KKBT 100.3 The Beat in 2005-07. First by Dumping Steve Harvey, making Tom C PD and hiring Tom Joyner to do morning. IMO KKBT was sounding screwed up in the Tom C & Tom Joyner era. Cliff Winston was only reason why I dealt with "The New V-100" because he is an L.A. Centric radio host. The should've made Cliff Winston PD of KKBT shortly after they hired him maybe it would still be around. Just a thought :

100.3 isn't around as an Urban (or rhythmic) format anymore because Radio One didn't know how to program to an audience outside of African-Americans. In L.A., that's not a good thing. When Radio One went Urban AC with 100.3, it was a good station, just not for L.A. What works in Houston, Cleveland, Dallas, Atlanta and D.C. (where there is a significant African-American population, also where RO owns stations) will not work in Southern California. L.A. is a totally different animal and doesn't have the African-American numbers like it used to back in the day. You HAVE to skew Hispanic in order for somewhat of an "Urban" format to work there, whether it be Urban or Urban Adult. Radio One thought that one size fits all.

Yeah because in the 90's when KKBT was at 92.3 it appealed to all races such as 16-34 hispanics, african americans and asians for an urban contemporary format. CC and Evergreen knew just what KKBT stood for. Hence their old slogan from the 90's called "No Color Lines". Radio One didn't find that much value in KKBT in it's last three years. I don't like the fact that R.O. messed up one of my favorite Hip Hop stations and I wish that it would come back but hey that's the industry. Power 106 is the only thing close to a Mainstream Urban despite being billed as Top 40/Rhythm-Crossover because KPWR most of the time is spinning hits on Billboards R&B Charts. BTW How the heck is KJLH going to skew in hispanic if they're most of the time playing songs on the Urban AC charts, R&B Oldies, gospel, jazz and Hip Hop.