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UVM employees object to WVMT carrying Rush (also does Catamount sports)
- Thread starter raccoonradio
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IMHO? Rush went way over the line. He was wrong.
But it looks like here we have UVM taking advantage of a unique situation to strongarm WVMT into dropping Rush. And if the truth be known, their problem with him is likely not so much for his recent comments, but for his continuing conservative stances.
UVM apparently believes in the First Amendment only as long as it is in lockstep with their liberal views.
I'm not a Rush Limbaugh fan, but I've gotta say... the UVM folks are whacked.
But it looks like here we have UVM taking advantage of a unique situation to strongarm WVMT into dropping Rush. And if the truth be known, their problem with him is likely not so much for his recent comments, but for his continuing conservative stances.
UVM apparently believes in the First Amendment only as long as it is in lockstep with their liberal views.
I'm not a Rush Limbaugh fan, but I've gotta say... the UVM folks are whacked.
Agreed...and btw how did Air America/liberal talk do up there in liberal Burlington? Flopped (1070/
1390). Admittedly not the best signals but they came in well by day at least (there's always VPR...)
Mostly-liberal Juan Williams (he says he's centrist on some issues), a regular on O'Reilly's show,
mentions in his book Muzzled that while there are efforts to get shows like Rush thrown off the
air, he says that freedom of speech demands it should stay ON the air to give viewpoints though
certainly the free market plays a role. If people turn away from a show, it goes off. He does say
that the govt. shouldn't step in, though of course if it's a threat of personal harm toward
someone, it's a diff. matter. Williams, for example, says in his book that the Right is against
immigrants. I don't think so--the Right is against _illegal_ immigrants and perhaps someone
can say so, in rebuttal.
While you can organize an economic boycott, etc., it's also true that the best answer to
free speech is MORE free speech. It's up to the left to put up a compelling talk show of their
own. If advertisers and listeners don't respond, then so be it.
Rush is a big target for them.
The FCC doesn't step in regarding program content. They don't have watchdogs making sure
that both sides are getting their message out there. It's up to the shows, to program directors,
to listeners calling in to rebut what the hosts say. Personal attacks against private individuals
(did Fluke become public once she testified?) might lead to lawsuits but who knows.
1390). Admittedly not the best signals but they came in well by day at least (there's always VPR...)
Mostly-liberal Juan Williams (he says he's centrist on some issues), a regular on O'Reilly's show,
mentions in his book Muzzled that while there are efforts to get shows like Rush thrown off the
air, he says that freedom of speech demands it should stay ON the air to give viewpoints though
certainly the free market plays a role. If people turn away from a show, it goes off. He does say
that the govt. shouldn't step in, though of course if it's a threat of personal harm toward
someone, it's a diff. matter. Williams, for example, says in his book that the Right is against
immigrants. I don't think so--the Right is against _illegal_ immigrants and perhaps someone
can say so, in rebuttal.
While you can organize an economic boycott, etc., it's also true that the best answer to
free speech is MORE free speech. It's up to the left to put up a compelling talk show of their
own. If advertisers and listeners don't respond, then so be it.
Rush is a big target for them.
The FCC doesn't step in regarding program content. They don't have watchdogs making sure
that both sides are getting their message out there. It's up to the shows, to program directors,
to listeners calling in to rebut what the hosts say. Personal attacks against private individuals
(did Fluke become public once she testified?) might lead to lawsuits but who knows.
You knowwwwww....I laugh at people who think they are all know-it-alls. For one, Rush is not Don Imus. There is no vulnerability there. Rush has a major part of ownership into this company that broadcasts his show. So he is not going anywhere. Secondly, the "Bill Mahers of the world" seem to get a free pass when they spew their conscience. (Don't forget what Maher called Sarah Palin!) There is a non political tuning knob on your radio that can be adjusted at anytime of the hour. Use it with a smile!
El Rushbo stepped in it bigtime, and apologized. It is done, and in the past. The left tilting media has made this thing out to be the first time any pundit or politician has done this sort of thing. This will blow over when the next pundit or politician, left or right, spews the next best thing.. Wonder what UVM thinks of their own conservative Tim Thomas ?
ray ting said:IMHO? Rush went way over the line. He was wrong.
But it looks like here we have UVM taking advantage of a unique situation to strongarm WVMT into dropping Rush. And if the truth be known, their problem with him is likely not so much for his recent comments, but for his continuing conservative stances.
UVM apparently believes in the First Amendment only as long as it is in lockstep with their liberal views.
I'm not a Rush Limbaugh fan, but I've gotta say... the UVM folks are whacked.
I agree with Ray. Except for the fact that it was 70-ish today, I would've guessed Hell had frozen over.
The more people protest, boycott, etc., the more free publicity Limbaugh gets. This is radio; there's almost no such thing as bad publicity.
Moreover, none of the protestors seem to belong to Limbaugh's target demo, so this is pure gravy for him.
I hear Cumulus is about to put Huckabee up against him. Having heard Huckabee's lackluster attempts to fill the late Paul Harvey's shoes, I suspect his show will do little better than Fred Thompson's did (remember him?).
The Left has no one on the air with Limbaugh's talent and experience. Until that changes, expect Limbaugh to stay on his throne.
Moreover, none of the protestors seem to belong to Limbaugh's target demo, so this is pure gravy for him.
I hear Cumulus is about to put Huckabee up against him. Having heard Huckabee's lackluster attempts to fill the late Paul Harvey's shoes, I suspect his show will do little better than Fred Thompson's did (remember him?).
The Left has no one on the air with Limbaugh's talent and experience. Until that changes, expect Limbaugh to stay on his throne.
MassMusicMan
Banned
I have no idea why Paul Goldman even bothers to talk to the newspaper. He really should get a PR firm to speak for him:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH. Guess what, Paul? He airs on your station. He represents you whether you like it or not. If you want to be a hardline capitalist, fine. Not going to fault you for that. But don't pretend that you get to pick and choose when somebody ON your station represents your station. You live and die by Rush Limbaugh. That's how it works. You count your Benjamins, but you also would be wise to bite your lip when he doesn't bite his.
Is it? If only you really knew the culture of your organization.
Wait...what? When I worked there in high school dubbing in national spots, I was instructed not to dub in Trojan spots, because Paul Goldman did not endorse condom use.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH. Guess what, Paul? He airs on your station. He represents you whether you like it or not. If you want to be a hardline capitalist, fine. Not going to fault you for that. But don't pretend that you get to pick and choose when somebody ON your station represents your station. You live and die by Rush Limbaugh. That's how it works. You count your Benjamins, but you also would be wise to bite your lip when he doesn't bite his.
Is it? If only you really knew the culture of your organization.
Wait...what? When I worked there in high school dubbing in national spots, I was instructed not to dub in Trojan spots, because Paul Goldman did not endorse condom use.
Eventually terrestrial radio for mid-major universities...and, yes, UVM is mid-major....I mean when your Mens Hoop team wins its conference..and its reward is a trip to Dayton, Ohio , where you have to win..just to make the final 64....is headed for net streaming. Many D-3 and D-2 schools have already seen the light.
What was unthinkable five years ago, will soon come to pass. The Universities will control 100 percent of the broadcast rights and advertising, and bypass the radio and will get more listeners and revenue online.
Terrestrial radio will be a second tier option, and boy will they pay through the nose to get the rights.
What was unthinkable five years ago, will soon come to pass. The Universities will control 100 percent of the broadcast rights and advertising, and bypass the radio and will get more listeners and revenue online.
Terrestrial radio will be a second tier option, and boy will they pay through the nose to get the rights.
K
kestrel
Guest
Always pleasing to watch the Right cry First Amendment foul when free speech and the free market work against them.
I just read the transcript of VPRs piece on UVM/WVMT. I am slack-jawed.
Paul Goldman says that anti-Rushies are bullying his advertisers? Seriously? Most often it's the other way around. And there was another twist in that story. A station boss running away from Limbaugh. A majority of AM owners in smaller markets look right and embrace anything conservative they can pedal to their mom and pop advertisers.
I agree, Kestrel
Paul Goldman says that anti-Rushies are bullying his advertisers? Seriously? Most often it's the other way around. And there was another twist in that story. A station boss running away from Limbaugh. A majority of AM owners in smaller markets look right and embrace anything conservative they can pedal to their mom and pop advertisers.
I agree, Kestrel
From Mar. 20 Burl Free Press: UVM sports to continue airing on WVMT
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/...048/uvm-sports-rush-limbaugh-wvmt?odyssey=tab
>>As station owner, Goldman said he heard from almost 30 people objecting to Limbaugh’s remarks, but he also got a similar number from those believing in the right of free speech.Roberts, as head of the faculty senate, acknowledged that she has never tuned into the Limbaugh show that airs from noon to 3 p.m. weekdays on WVMT. “I’ve heard clips,” said Roberts, a linguistics professor. Goldman said people are free to change the station. He said there are about 30 AM and FM stations in the Burlington market.
Transcript of VPR piece
http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/93837/uvm-refuses-to-drop-sports-radio-station-over-limb/
>>(Bramley) "And we also asked WVMT to make some other minor adjustments like not referring to [itself] as being the voice of the Catamounts." (Goldman) "If you really want to affect change, get people to stop listening to Rush. He is not my employee, OK? He is not my employee."
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/...048/uvm-sports-rush-limbaugh-wvmt?odyssey=tab
>>As station owner, Goldman said he heard from almost 30 people objecting to Limbaugh’s remarks, but he also got a similar number from those believing in the right of free speech.Roberts, as head of the faculty senate, acknowledged that she has never tuned into the Limbaugh show that airs from noon to 3 p.m. weekdays on WVMT. “I’ve heard clips,” said Roberts, a linguistics professor. Goldman said people are free to change the station. He said there are about 30 AM and FM stations in the Burlington market.
Transcript of VPR piece
http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/93837/uvm-refuses-to-drop-sports-radio-station-over-limb/
>>(Bramley) "And we also asked WVMT to make some other minor adjustments like not referring to [itself] as being the voice of the Catamounts." (Goldman) "If you really want to affect change, get people to stop listening to Rush. He is not my employee, OK? He is not my employee."
>>when free speech and the free market work against them.
That's very true, and it can. Though what shouldn't happen is government-enforced censorship,
like when groups call on the FCC to act when stations run content they disagree with. Let
the market reflect what people want. Freedom of speech/choice.
That's very true, and it can. Though what shouldn't happen is government-enforced censorship,
like when groups call on the FCC to act when stations run content they disagree with. Let
the market reflect what people want. Freedom of speech/choice.
MassMusicMan
Banned
I love it. He sounds like a petulant child who isn't getting his way. That's always been the kind of person he is. There's nobody in that building who can talk to the media for him that would make him sound a lot better?
K
kestrel
Guest
raccoonradio said:
Right, like Jane Fonda did. Thing is, though, when they do that, they belie a fundamental misunderstanding of what the FCC does and doesn't do. Which is actually fairly common.
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