V 102-5 FM

[opsmngr]

Hey Scott,

whatever happened with this? If nothing...then that's quite the wild rumor you started.

also are you saying that vns is weak compared to your sat programming and am signal? that's bold.


I got word from a semi-reliable source early this morning that V-102.5 was changing format and going Oldies. What era or type of Oldies, I don't know. Now, don't say that I started this rumor because I will tell who I got this information from. I just the message carrier and wanted to check this out.

***If this is true, it will solve 3 problems, especially one small one for me:

A. All the people who complained when 97.1 change will be happy now.

B. Since I changed Gallatin's Magic 1560 from Oldies to Hot AC, I, personally will no longer be be "picked on" by Pat Julian, Bill Buntin & Buddy Sadler and it will get rid of of weak competition.

C. WVNS does not come in too well in Gallatin, so this would help. (Oh, I like Pat, Bill & Buddy, I think are great guys, but we argue over this "Oldies Thang"!) If this is ture, Tibbs, Get out the ARBOR MIST!

DISCLAIMER....Now remember folks, this is JUST A RUMOR I HEARD THIS MORNING AND IS NOT THE GOSPEL TRUTH! If somebody know anything about this, please come forth and tell us about it.

Scott @ Magic 1560, Gallatin

 

[roadrunner]

I hope to God it's only a rumor...this is one of the three best stations in Nashville...if not the very best.
The dj's, the jingles, the music itself, all excellent. It would be STUPID to go oldies! That
format is nearly dead. I hope they keep it the way it is. And they even got rid of the
satellite feed in the evening which is a huge improvement.

 

[firepoint525]

Yes, liking what I'm hearing from them of late!

 

[jetfli]

Last time I met with some folks at the station I asked about the rumor. It's believed the rumor got out because there were discussions about how to better get across the message that the station played "80s" AND "90s" AND "Now" music. Apparently someone discussing or hearing the information was using the term "oldies" to refer to the 80s and 90s stuff, and the oldies rumor snowballed from there. At least, that was the story.

 

[Tibbs4]

I know they are at least locally VT-ing nights with Ace (?) now? It sounds better.
One question I have is what is the logic to have all 80's at 8 in the morning when
the station could be promoting their regular format during the day. I believe that
actually turns listeners to other stations. I love a good bit of the 80's music, so
this is not a stab at that, in general, although some of the music is still so worn
out and overplayed, etc. I think it would be better to let listeners have more of
the current music and a smattering of the 80's and 90's during the rush hour/drive
time.

Also, and I don't mean this as a stab, is Dean and Lisa the right fit for the morning
show? Just asking thoughts there. And no, I am not in favor or an all-talked
canned show.

I still think V's 75% there. I judt wonder that if they were even at 100% would
anyone care or be able to listen? It's sad that Hot AC doesn't get better ratings
in Nashville.

 

[spew]

Their sister station the Buzz has Free Beer & Wings in the morning...so I guess you could say the Venus has
Iced Tea and Breasts.

 

[raydiofreak]

As in the title of the post, it's V 102.5 not Venus.

 

[scottwmro]

Hey Scott,

whatever happened with this? If nothing...then that's quite the wild rumor you started.

also are you saying that vns is weak compared to your sat programming and am signal? that's bold.


I got word from a semi-reliable source early this morning that V-102.5 was changing format and going Oldies. What era or type of Oldies, I don't know. Now, don't say that I started this rumor because I will tell who I got this information from. I just the message carrier and wanted to check this out.

***If this is true, it will solve 3 problems, especially one small one for me:

A. All the people who complained when 97.1 change will be happy now.

B. Since I changed Gallatin's Magic 1560 from Oldies to Hot AC, I, personally will no longer be be "picked on" by Pat Julian, Bill Buntin & Buddy Sadler and it will get rid of of weak competition.

C. WVNS does not come in too well in Gallatin, so this would help. (Oh, I like Pat, Bill & Buddy, I think are great guys, but we argue over this "Oldies Thang"!) If this is ture, Tibbs, Get out the ARBOR MIST!

DISCLAIMER....Now remember folks, this is JUST A RUMOR I HEARD THIS MORNING AND IS NOT THE GOSPEL TRUTH! If somebody know anything about this, please come forth and tell us about it. Recall.....I said I got my info from a semi-reliable source!

Scott @ Magic 1560, Gallatin

I DIDN'T START THE RUMOR! Bill Buntin told me this. Pat Julian (deltas69) will tell you Bill picks up all kinds of rumors. None of us who hear them don't know if there is any proof or documentation on things we hear. That is why I put out a "disclaimer" saying it was "unconfirmed" which means I have no real proof at the time Buntin told me that. CAN'T YOU READ OR ARE YOU OUT TO START SOME TROUBLE?

Now your second statement, yes, I think our ABC/Citadel Programming is better than what is on VNS. Now remember, WVNS doesn't have that good of a signal into Gallatin and Northern Sumner County. And yes damn it, I'm being bold about it.

 

[Logs4Less]

...sounding better and better every single day. thank God they severed the satellite feed from JONES. ;D

 

[Tibbs4]

You are right --- sounded pretty good this weekend. No VT or live talent. Let's hope things turn around this
book. Usually, with Hot AC, the better it sounds the worse the ratings are. Look out, "Pina Colada" song can't
be to far away if they hit .075.

 

[shooterz]

Well... I may not count as talent... but I was on live Saturday from 10a-3p.... LOL

 

[Logs4Less]

You must be "Jay". Of course you're talented... midday Saturday is not much different than drive times during the week... lots of people in their cars listening. Some would disagree with me, but I have always heard that - indeed is the case. V's numbers are up across the board - so you're in a good spot.

 

[raydiofreak]

V is getting better and better every day. the satelite is gone, Thank God!. Jay sounds awesome on the weekends, middays are live now, and ace is kickin it at night. All good stuff on this signal. I feel V is underestimated, so look out!

 

[scottwmro]

V is getting better and better every day. the satelite is gone, Thank God!. Jay sounds awesome on the weekends, middays are live now, and ace is kickin it at night. All good stuff on this signal. I feel V is underestimated, so look out!

The reason why the station was probably on satellite was because of contract reasons. Jones is one of the worst satellite networks to deal with, and the talent they hire out of the Denver Market is terrible. In addition, the network, under contract, requires you to run thier inventory (spots) daily. They may be live now in all dayparts, but there is a chance that Jones still has them under contract to run the network inventory and fill out a weekly/monthly affidavit. I've delt with Jones, and I hate everything about thier cheap, genric operation.

*I don't mean to sound nasty to some of you when I make the following statement, but I'm saying this from a GM's standpoint, so please don't take it personal*:

"I feel the reason why some of you are making good comments about WVNS going live is because either you don't have a jock job in the market or you're a want-a-be jock. Some of you don't have a clue of the cost of running a station, you've never sat down and gone throught the bookkeeping and done the math, even the smallest AM station in any given market.
I blame places like Vol State, who can not teach the students what's happen to the media. Jobs are being cut and radio has been hit the hardest, due to it's harder to sell advertising on radio, than it is with newspaper, internet sites, TV, and other sources of media. The gentleman that teaches the mass comm classes at Vol State is a pro, BUT, he can't do it alone. He needs pros that are working in management in this field help teach students what it's really like!"

I have nothing against live radio, but with the U.S. economic situation the way it is, it's a wonder that some stations are even making payroll! Let me warn you that WVNS maybe what it is now, but the station has a history of format and personnel changes.

 

[LPFM]

"The reason why the station was probably on satellite was because of contract reasons. Jones is one of the worst satellite networks to deal with, and the talent they hire out of the Denver Market is terrible. In addition, the network, under contract, requires you to run thier inventory (spots) daily. They may be live now in all dayparts, but there is a chance that Jones still has them under contract to run the network inventory and fill out a weekly/monthly affidavit. I've delt with Jones, and I hate everything about thier cheap, genric operation."

There is much you don't know about the situation at V 102.5, Scott, so allow me to enlighten you on some of it. All of what I'm going to tell you comes from an inside source. The station ran Jones satellite willingly. For the past year or so, they have been consulted by Jones' Seattle operation which were brought in to the situation to help the station reconstruct its programming and image in the market. I'm not sure which of the Seattle consultants is working with V since my source didn't specify which one it was. The source did tell me that it was actually their consultant in tandem with Dean who came up with the plan that it would be best for the station to come off satellite in order to be more consistent with what was being programmed (and consulted) between 6AM and 8PM. So you're likely to continue to have Jones inventory running on V 102.5 because that is what is paying for the consulting services and has since that particular arrangement was made. The idea all along has been to do what is best for the radio station and its success (my source's statement-not mine). I have no dispute with your other comments, Scott, but I felt it was important for you to know that not the entire Jones operation is as "inept" as you make them out to be.

 

[firepoint525]

V is getting better and better every day. the satelite is gone, Thank God!. Jay sounds awesome on the weekends, middays are live now, and ace is kickin it at night. All good stuff on this signal. I feel V is underestimated, so look out!

The reason why the station was probably on satellite was because of contract reasons. Jones is one of the worst satellite networks to deal with, and the talent they hire out of the Denver Market is terrible. In addition, the network, under contract, requires you to run thier inventory (spots) daily. They may be live now in all dayparts, but there is a chance that Jones still has them under contract to run the network inventory and fill out a weekly/monthly affidavit. I've delt with Jones, and I hate everything about thier cheap, genric operation.

*I don't mean to sound nasty to some of you when I make the following statement, but I'm saying this from a GM's standpoint, so please don't take it personal*:

"I feel the reason why some of you are making good comments about WVNS going live is because either you don't have a jock job in the market or you're a want-a-be jock. Some of you don't have a clue of the cost of running a station, you've never sat down and gone throught the bookkeeping and done the math, even the smallest AM station in any given market.
I blame places like Vol State, who can not teach the students what's happen to the media. Jobs are being cut and radio has been hit the hardest, due to it's harder to sell advertising on radio, than it is with newspaper, internet sites, TV, and other sources of media. The gentleman that teaches the mass comm classes at Vol State is a pro, BUT, he can't do it alone. He needs pros that are working in management in this field help teach students what it's really like!"

I have nothing against live radio, but with the U.S. economic situation the way it is, it's a wonder that some stations are even making payroll! Let me warn you that WVNS maybe what it is now, but the station has a history of format and personnel changes.

I neither have a jock job, nor am I a wannabe jock. I am a former jock, but that is an issue for another place and time. I would actually like to see the V carry some format-appropriate syndicated programming over the weekend. I don't believe Retro-pop Reunion has been on in Nashville since Star 97's format change. Of course, Backtrax is on the River (and Q-108!), so that's out. Retro Rewind (with Hollywood Hendrix) was good, but I don't believe that is being produced anymore. If the Casey Kasem AC top 40 countdown is still available, they should look into getting that. Again, off the air locally since Star 97's change.

No, I've never managed a station, so I've never had to make payroll. I'm a radiophile myself, but I really don't miss the inner workings, the backstabbings, and the egos in radio. If the paychecks were as big as the egos, we'd all have it made, wouldn't we? If you are an AM only operation, then undoubtedly, there are people in Gallatin who don't even know you exist! We had that very issue come up on a station in west Tennessee I worked for before moving here.

We all know that Cromwell has a history of format changes, but so do all stations nowadays. If they don't do anything else between now and then, they will need to do an "image change" by 2010. The slogan, "the '80s, '90s, and now" is working just fine now, but they will need to come up with a name for the first decade of the 21st century by then. "The '80s, the '90s, the zeroes, and now"? Doesn't quite work for me! ;D

 

[Tibbs4]

"The reason why the station was probably on satellite was because of contract reasons. Jones is one of the worst satellite networks to deal with, and the talent they hire out of the Denver Market is terrible. In addition, the network, under contract, requires you to run thier inventory (spots) daily. They may be live now in all dayparts, but there is a chance that Jones still has them under contract to run the network inventory and fill out a weekly/monthly affidavit. I've delt with Jones, and I hate everything about thier cheap, genric operation."

There is much you don't know about the situation at V 102.5, Scott, so allow me to enlighten you on some of it. All of what I'm going to tell you comes from an inside source. The station ran Jones satellite willingly. For the past year or so, they have been consulted by Jones' Seattle operation which were brought in to the situation to help the station reconstruct its programming and image in the market. I'm not sure which of the Seattle consultants is working with V since my source didn't specify which one it was. The source did tell me that it was actually their consultant in tandem with Dean who came up with the plan that it would be best for the station to come off satellite in order to be more consistent with what was being programmed (and consulted) between 6AM and 8PM. So you're likely to continue to have Jones inventory running on V 102.5 because that is what is paying for the consulting services and has since that particular arrangement was made. The idea all along has been to do what is best for the radio station and its success (my source's statement-not mine). I have no dispute with your other comments, Scott, but I felt it was important for you to know that not the entire Jones operation is as "inept" as you make them out to be.

As for Jones --- I am with Scott ---Inept, they are not. Disasterous is a better word. I know of a few scenerios that make V-102.5 sound GOOD. And, why in the heck would anyone need a Seattle based CONsultant to help Dean? Programming is not rocket science. I agree that the station is sounding much better and will only get better. But, they shot themselves in the foot for way to long because of the way they sounded from Jones. It cost thm countless $$$ and listenership. They're getting there, but they still have a ways to go. At least they're not Crumulus --- and change the format every week. I still wish they'd do away with the 80's at 8. That would be big for making sure car radios were locked in after work. The list could go on, but, it's great to see we're all digging it better. Good sign. Consultant Satellite services be darned.

I understand your position on live talent costs, Scott, but I have to say for a market Nashville's size on a 100kw station (even if the signal is weak) there should be reasonable revenue to cover it and by sounding better revenues increase and $$$$$ flows in. On the cheap, Jones is. Even if the VT-the dang thing,
they're doing better.

Like Arbor Mist, you can change the label and cheapen it up --- but what's in the bottle matters the MOST. $3.99 is a deal even w/out a label.

 

[romer979fm]

V is getting better and better every day. the satelite is gone, Thank God!. Jay sounds awesome on the weekends, middays are live now, and ace is kickin it at night. All good stuff on this signal. I feel V is underestimated, so look out!

The reason why the station was probably on satellite was because of contract reasons. Jones is one of the worst satellite networks to deal with, and the talent they hire out of the Denver Market is terrible. In addition, the network, under contract, requires you to run thier inventory (spots) daily. They may be live now in all dayparts, but there is a chance that Jones still has them under contract to run the network inventory and fill out a weekly/monthly affidavit. I've delt with Jones, and I hate everything about thier cheap, genric operation.

*I don't mean to sound nasty to some of you when I make the following statement, but I'm saying this from a GM's standpoint, so please don't take it personal*:

"I feel the reason why some of you are making good comments about WVNS going live is because either you don't have a jock job in the market or you're a want-a-be jock. Some of you don't have a clue of the cost of running a station, you've never sat down and gone throught the bookkeeping and done the math, even the smallest AM station in any given market.
I blame places like Vol State, who can not teach the students what's happen to the media. Jobs are being cut and radio has been hit the hardest, due to it's harder to sell advertising on radio, than it is with newspaper, internet sites, TV, and other sources of media. The gentleman that teaches the mass comm classes at Vol State is a pro, BUT, he can't do it alone. He needs pros that are working in management in this field help teach students what it's really like!"

I have nothing against live radio, but with the U.S. economic situation the way it is, it's a wonder that some stations are even making payroll! Let me warn you that WVNS maybe what it is now, but the station has a history of format and personnel changes.

holy crap...is there a post somewhere on this board that you can't vent about?
thanks for sucking all the positive energy out of the room.

BTW...what DO you like? so far live radio is bad, but satellite sucks (except for Dial-Global Hot AC...got it)...
and running a station on computer steals jobs (except when you do it...gotta pay the bills...got it)
every company is bad (CC, Cumulus, South-Central, Cromwell, Citadel...good thing Cox isn't here, or they'd be on the list, too)
as for talent...Shannon and Coyote...yeah a couple of losers, huh?

I'm not referring to myself here (try it)...but there's a boat load of talented and experienced folks posting here...
they can't all be wrong all the time.

and there is radio outside of Gallatin...lots of it

this isn't as personal as it seems...that post just pushed by buttons

 

[Tibbs4]

Scott LOVES you, just like we all do CR>>>> should we be worried for you???

 

[scottwmro]

You know Chris, you were the first person in my mind today I counted on you making a comment. Any monkey can push buttons, and thanks to Dell, HP, etc, us GM's know where to make the cuts when the going gets tough. You have never owned a station, to my knowledge, and trying to sell a non-tangable item like radio ads is hard. Trying to maintain a budget is hard, and trying with the U.S. Dollar only worth 40 Cents overseas, it just getting worse! Look at what's running for president, and I don't trust none of them.

Retail makes a heck of a lot more money than radio does. Newspaper is still competition to us, and now the internet itself is jumped in there, and has in some, but not in all places, been a threat. I do not encourage NO YOUNG PERSON, 18-25 to expect a full time job in radio make great money. Chances these days are slim!


And you're talking about being positive in the shape the economic situation this country is in. You must enjoy paying a big $3.50 a gallon for gas, prices of food going up in the grocery stores, restaurants, etc. Around the country, there are stations, yes even FM's going dark. Just go to the FCC's Silent Station List and look. At your age, I sure hope you have built up a nest egg like I have, your not that much older than me, and the government could careless if you or I get any social security. It 's almost gone anyway. I'm sure your wife, like my wife helps maintain a tight budget. Gee, with the way radio is going, the AM & FM band could be dead in 15 years. It scares me, but like I said, I have a outside source for an income. My little station should be classified as a non-profit, since nobody takes a salary out of it.

Like I said before, when it's comes time, and the AM Band has had it, I'll just pull the plug, turn in the license and sell the property and assets. The Commission has made it clear they will not open another AM window, so someone on my channel will probably get a power increase when I'm gone, and you'll be happy, if the youth of America doesn't kill the AM band off first.

I'm just telling the truth about the business end of this from a GM's eyes, not from some jock, or tech persons eyes!