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Vikings-Giants game

DToTheJ said:
TheBigA said:
This was their prime game, with Joe Buck and Troy Aikman. They ended up subbing the Redskins-Bucks game, which wasn't as primo...

New York viewers got the Packers/Lions matchup...

By the way: Joe Buck is scheduled to call another Giants game? Why does that not shock me one bit?
What shocks me is that FOX supplanted Sam Rosen & Tim Ryan (Who worked the GB/DET game on Sunday) with Joe & Troy KNOWING the audience they'd get.

Makes no sense to me.

BTW.....The TB/WASH game was BY FAR & AWAY the best game of the week IMO.

Cheers :D
 
Pat Cook said:
azumanga said:
It also happened twice before that -- in 1987... and 1997...
There was also a 2003 (??) Steelers/Dolphins game rescheduled from Sunday Afternoon to Sunday Night due to a Hurricane in the Miami area. CBS televised the game regionally to the Miami & Pittsburgh areas... Looked like a mess from what I was able to see from the ESPN updates...

Hi, Pat:
http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=181047.msg1581906#msg1581906
(the post just above the one you quoted of mine about Joe Buck ;D )

It's all good... better to show up late to the party than miss out altogether... :p
 
TheBigA said:
Ken said:
Also did the NFL make the right move by moving the game onto Monday night?

If I was Fox, I'd say no. This was their prime game, with Joe Buck and Troy Aikman. They ended up subbing the Redskins-Bucks game, which wasn't as primo. So they move everyone to Detroit, additional expense of doing a game from a different city with less technical prep than they usually get, and it only airs in two markets. Because of ESPN's exclusive.

ESPN is pissed because they have a crappy game (Baltimore-Houston) and there's another potentially better game available if you look for it, and everyone in NYC will be watching the other game.

So Fox gets something they're technically not entitled to, which is a Monday night game in two major markets. One the other hand, how unfair to the teams might it have been to move Baltimore Houston to Sunday, and give ESPN the Giants Minnesota game?

Does ESPN have the same type of schedule NBC has for Sunday Night Football?

Also I agree it would have made sense for this game move to ESPN MNF and move the Baltimore and Houston game to FOX on Sunday. But that couldn't happen because Balitmore and Houston are both AFC teams. FOX only has the rights to NFC teams and CBS only has rights to AFC teams. So that game cound't be moved to FOX.
 
Ken said:
Does ESPN have the same type of schedule NBC has for Sunday Night Football?

Not necessarily. NBC does have that "flex" option for its originally scheduled Sunday night games, while ESPN's Monday night schedule is locked in throughout the year, no matter what. Incidentally, in Week 17, there is no Monday night game scheduled, so the game that NBC carries that week is ultimately the final regular season game until the playoffs begin.
 
Pat Cook said:
There was also a 2003 (??) Steelers/Dolphins game rescheduled from Sunday Afternoon to Sunday Night due to a Hurricane in the Miami area. CBS televised the game regionally to the Miami & Pittsburgh areas & (I believe it was from what I hear) the Johnson/Tasker team in the booth.

In the Dolphins territory, either CBS O&O WFOR (flagship station of the Dolphins) or WBFS aired the game in the MIA/FTL market. In the WPB market, I believe WTVX aired the game. The Fort Myers/Naples market was hosed because CBS affiliate WINK deferred the game to cable-only WNFM.
 
I always found it amusing that they built a stadium, covered it with a big air bag and named it after Hubert Humphrey. ::)

Apparently the Golden Gophers have "winterized" their stadium (whatever that means) and either are not willing to unwinterize it then winterize it again - or the Vikings and the University can't come to terms about money.
 
MattParker said:
I always found it amusing that they built a stadium, covered it with a big air bag and named it after Hubert Humphrey. ::)

Apparently the Golden Gophers have "winterized" their stadium (whatever that means) and either are not willing to unwinterize it then winterize it again - or the Vikings and the University can't come to terms about money.

Local stations in Chicago are reporting that Monday Night's game between the Bears and Vikings will take place in the U of M stadium so they must have figured out how to unwinterize it. It seems that everyone has his price.
 
As a lifelong Green Bay Packer fan, I'm loving the irony of this. Brett Favre's tratorious act of signing with the neighbors was supposed to not only get the team its first ever Super Bowl win, but was to be the catalyst for a new stadium for the perpetually underachieving Vikings squad.

Sadly...well for some, me..not so much, he, the team and stadium all imploded, Mr Favre sent pics of his junk..which, like many of his passes, were intercepted, and now the owner is back on the road trying to find another city for this woebegone franchise.

Hey Ziggy...even L A doesn't want another Minnesota team, though they did snag the Lakers years back.

Have a lovely winter Vikes fans.....
 
Studio20 said:
As a lifelong Green Bay Packer fan, I'm loving the irony of this. Brett Favre's tratorious act of signing with the neighbors was supposed to not only get the team its first ever Super Bowl win, but was to be the catalyst for a new stadium for the perpetually underachieving Vikings squad.

Sadly...well for some, me..not so much, he, the team and stadium all imploded, Mr Favre sent pics of his junk..which, like many of his passes, were intercepted, and now the owner is back on the road trying to find another city for this woebegone franchise.

Hey Ziggy...even L A doesn't want another Minnesota team, though they did snag the Lakers years back.

Have a lovely winter Vikes fans.....

The Vikes started to go south once they started playing in a dome. Prior to that, opponents had to suffer Minnesota winters upon visiting the Met late in the year and it gave the Vikings an edge. Since then, the Vikings seem to be about as resistant to the elements as the Buccaneers.

If the Vikings are to stay in Minnesota, it should be in an outdoor stadium. Detroit is another team that has wimped out with a dome (albeit a nice one). Kudos to the likes of the Packers, Pats, Bears, Browns and others who stand tough and play football the way it was meant to be played - outside.
 
BRNout said:
If the Vikings are to stay in Minnesota, it should be in an outdoor stadium. Detroit is another team that has wimped out with a dome (albeit a nice one). Kudos to the likes of the Packers, Pats, Bears, Browns and others who stand tough and play football the way it was meant to be played - outside.

Well, yes. But keep mind that football was also meant to be finished around Thanksgiving weekend.
 
BRNout said:
If the Vikings are to stay in Minnesota, it should be in an outdoor stadium. Detroit is another team that has wimped out with a dome (albeit a nice one). Kudos to the likes of the Packers, Pats, Bears, Browns and others who stand tough and play football the way it was meant to be played - outside.

Come to Phoenix when it's 110 degrees at game time. You'll reconsider.
 
Ultimajock said:
...if the Wilf Brothers have any sense at all, they'd move the Vikings to Los Angeles or San Antonio. It's not as if a Minneapolis franchise hasn't moved to L.A. or a Texas town before ;D ...

Yeah, weren't the Spurs once MPLS's ABA franchise?
EDIT: Nah, forgot about Big D's hockey team. :-[
ixnay
 
dhett said:
BRNout said:
If the Vikings are to stay in Minnesota, it should be in an outdoor stadium. Detroit is another team that has wimped out with a dome (albeit a nice one). Kudos to the likes of the Packers, Pats, Bears, Browns and others who stand tough and play football the way it was meant to be played - outside.

Come to Phoenix when it's 110 degrees at game time. You'll reconsider.

Phoenix is an exception - too much of your year is spent living in the equivalent of an outdoor oven. I'd submit that Houston and New Orleans are too, thanks to the oppressive heat and humidity that is common to those places early in the NFL season. Playing NFL football in that type of oppressive heat can be dangerous due to the nature of the equipment that players wear and the physical challenges of actually playing the game. Very easy for them to overheat and even the most physically fit player has to be careful not to run into trouble with dehydration or heat stroke.

You'll note that the examples I gave were of cold, northern cities. Minnesota, Detroit and Indy don't need domes - all they've done is take an advantage away from their respective teams.

As for Phoenix, don't y'all have a pop-top roof on that stadium down there in Phoenix.....for nice days?
 
ixnay said:
Ultimajock said:
...if the Wilf Brothers have any sense at all, they'd move the Vikings to Los Angeles or San Antonio. It's not as if a Minneapolis franchise hasn't moved to L.A. or a Texas town before ;D ...

Yeah, weren't the Spurs once MPLS's ABA franchise?
EDIT: Nah, forgot about Big D's hockey team. :-[
ixnay

The Spurs were originally the Dallas Chaparrals. The old ABA Pittsburgh Pipers/Condors (1968-72) spent one year (1970) in the Twin Cities as the Minnesota Pipers before returning to Pittsburgh. The only team to move from MSP to LA was the Lakers in 1960.

IIRC, the Wilfs have an agreement with the NFL to not move the team out of the Twin Cities. That was required as part of the purchase from Red McCombs.
 
KeithE4 said:
The old ABA Pittsburgh Pipers/Condors (1968-72) spent one year (1970) in the Twin Cities as the Minnesota Pipers before returning to Pittsburgh.

Yep. Nothing to cement fan loyalty like winning an ABA Championship and then moving the team to another
city, only to say "Oops, my bad!" and try to move them back a year later.

A big reason why pro basketball has always been a joke in this town, and an inspiration for movies like
The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh.
 
FreddyE1977 can probably help on this, but 'Three Rivers,' along with 'Riverfront' Stadium in Cincinnati were both built on the ubercheap, with cookie-cutter planning that in the end satisfied neither baseball nor football spectators. Much head-butting with local politicians resulted in many unfortunate compromises. As alluded to earlier, questionable construction practices may have also played a part. Seems the 'Metrodome' fell into this same trap. IF a better-constructed roof can be had (and insurance will cover at least the majority of it), then so be it.

Perhaps the Vikings can persuade the homeless to go into the proposed stadium and clean out the snow. In return, give 'em tickets and money for food. After the game, get 'em a decent room for the night. Maybe check out the local prisons as well for extra help. Whom else are they going to rally for this cause, and what will they pay?

IF they think people are going to clean out the mountains of snow for nothing, I believe they may be a tad disappointed.
 
They offered $10/hour today and got several hundred people to show up.
 
Greg Goodfellow said:
FreddyE1977 can probably help on this, but 'Three Rivers,' along with 'Riverfront' Stadium in Cincinnati were both built on the ubercheap, with cookie-cutter planning that in the end satisfied neither baseball nor football spectators. Much head-butting with local politicians resulted in many unfortunate compromises. As alluded to earlier, questionable construction practices may have also played a part. Seems the 'Metrodome' fell into this same trap. IF a better-constructed roof can be had (and insurance will cover at least the majority of it), then so be it.

Not just in Pittsburgh and Cincinnati, but in other cities that built multi-purpose outdoor stadiums during that time period (1960s and '70s): Washington, D.C., New York City, St. Louis, Atlanta, Oakland, Philadelphia, and San Diego. San Francisco and Anaheim also built stadiums (baseball-specific) during the same time, but they were reconfigured in later years to also accommodate football; Anaheim's was renovated in '90s, and was converted back to baseball-only, while San Francisco's Candlestick Park is essentially now football-only due to the Giants having their own stadium.

Kansas City actually did right; they built separate stadiums in the early '70s for the Royals and Chiefs, they were just renovated over the last couple of years and are routinely recognized as the best stadiums in their respective sports. Of the cities and stadiums mentioned, only three are still standing: RFK Stadium in D.C. (DC United soccer), Oakland Coliseum (A's and Raiders) and Qualcomm in San Diego (Chargers).

Metrodome being built was due to the Vikings wanting a new stadium because their old stadium (Metropolitan Stadium) was deemed too small, and needed the Twins to join in the project to get the political support to have it built. It cost $68 million at the time to build it, which I have to imagine at the time, was pretty expensive to build.
 
ShawnHill1 said:
It cost $68 million at the time to build it, which I have to imagine at the time, was pretty expensive to build.

And I imagine it hasn't been paid for yet. The old Giants stadium, which was demolished last year, wasn't paid off at the time.
 
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