Vince McMahon's death

[Radio_bored-Op]

o & A:

not a big fan of o & a but they were "great" !!

they went thru and pointed out soo many flaws with this story line:

1. why didnt any other media outlet cover this 'breaking' story
It was actually at the request of the surviving McMahon's that no attention
be brought to this 'tradegy' (?sp). We would apperciate this be kept private.

( for the first time , EVER, *ALL* news medium's actually RESPECT family wishes,
and keep this private)...haha , yea right !!

2. the fact that the company in charge of the explosion, was there a day early.. to set it all up.

leading to the next point:
3. how come no one in the arena heard that explosion !?

4 and, it was overly obvious that was such a fake leg...

there were a few other things, but at this time, i dont remember...
like it matters, it is only wrestling !

plus, i noticed you could alot of "sounds/noises" right before
and following the explosion that would lead to believe
that vince was able to escape...haha...

funny as i stated before, just in time for the fourth of july!

"...next time, let us in the building !"

 

[C414B]

but World Class Championship Wrestling was the absolute best

I could not agree with you more.

 

[Studio20]

Sounds like it might have been a "you-should-have-done-something-like-this-to-your-lead-character" message to David Chase.


And as much as I would like to watch TNA, and as much as I admire Mike Tenay for his knowledge, HE'S GOT TO STOP SCREAMING EVERY LINE LIKE WHAT HE IS WATCHING IS A PIER SIX BRAWL!!!!''

There are lots of times in the match where an understated delivery works just wonders..

I'm sorry, I can't listen for more than a few minutes...and the Harvey Wienstein soundalike color man doesnt help either


As for the Draft show, JBL gets the Lines Of The Night Award 1) Viscera vs Mark Henry "King just saw Kong!" and 2) regarding the draft, JBL wishes Michael Cole be sent to OVW. (WWE Developmental territory)

 

[BADDGUY56]

This angle has attracted a lot of attention, even if it's mostly negative. You have to remember, that the WWE is programming 5 hours of television a week. Trying to stir the pot up with the draft, may eliminate a lot of boring BEEN THERE AND SEEN THAT DONE ALREADY matches. McMahon needs to stay behind the scenes, instead of being part of the programming. Whether it was with AUSTIN, DX, THE ROCK, THE UNDERTAKER, FLAIR, HIS SON SHANE, HIS DAUGHTER STEPHANIE, HIS WIFE, MICK FOLEY, BRET HART, BRUNO SAMMARTINO, JESSE VENTURA, RODDY PIPER, THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR and I could go on and on, the bottom line was, we all wanted him to get his A$$ kicked. He's the evil owner. Well evil owner, I have one word for you, RETIRE. Get off the TV. Leave the entertainment to the talent, and many don't get TV time because of your egotistical banter etc. Have respect for your talent, and most of all, have some respect and show some appreciation, to the people who truly put you over, and that would be THE FANS.

 

[johnnya2k6]

WWE has jumped the shark countless times before (Katie Vick, bringing back ECW and making it a third brand, McMahonism (Vince's fake religion), Kevin Federline beating John Cena, McMahon-Donald Trump feud with Vince going bald, and of course the Screwjob in Montreal), but the "death" of Mr. McMahon may have been the last straw. It even overshadowed the recent WWE Draft!

And to rub salt in the wound even further, cards and letters were pouring in to WWE's Stamford, Conn. headquarters over the last few days "in memory" of Vince. They should've been in memory of "Sensational" Sherri Martel instead, since her death on Friday was all real and no storyline.

I guess many loyal WWE fans, especially those going back to when they were the World Wrestling Federation, have had enough after last week and are defecting to TNA as a result since "Impact!" is on Spike TV (Raw's old home before it returned to USA). And hot off the heels of Sunday's Slammiversary PPV, this could be their chance.

ROH Wrestling (Ring of Honor) is another fast-growing alternative to WWE, and since they have a PPV deal I hope a major TV deal will be next, probably with either FX or Superstation WGN.

Jonathan Allen

 

[Radio_bored-Op]

Again, please point out WHY... "not just because it is 'wrong' "
but explain to me, why, a death/near death(*) of a major character is "sooo tabooo"

(*)denotes, yes the sherri martel tradegy(?sp) is untimely,* BESIDES THAT* explain
why, this is Sooo... " off limits" / over the top / crossing the line / any other cliche's ?

Seriously, other shows, did it, and live to tell about it...and it wasnt the end of the world.

-King of the Hill: killed off the boyfriend when "wal-mart/mega lo mart" exploded.
(hmm, a 'freak' explosion kills off a character...)

-Simpsons: SHOT* the evil owner, only to have him ( similiar to vince) "barely" make it thru...
-Simpsons(again) killed off, Bleeding gums murphy, when he was a major character,
despite, the gag on the 138th episdoe, they were never popular.

-WONDER YEARs: killed off the dad, in the season finale.

-and, countless other shows, (strong medicine, Law/Order, etc) have people die, almost every episode...

soooo....

where is the harm?

 

[STF]

I've already typed more than I care to on this topic, but I figured I'd mention it here as well.

I think the angle is offensive on a couple of fronts. Logically it's offensive because we all know at some point Vince will be back on WWE programming. The way they did that limo explosion doesn't really give Vince a plausible scenario to survive or at least not be rolling around in the parking lot once people get out there.

I think it's offensive in the way they've done the 10 bell salutes and the memorials to him as well. I believe Chavo Guerrero and Vickie Guerrero both were onstage when they did the 10 bell salute to the "dead" Mr. McMahon. That whole episode of SmackDown! played out just like when Eddie Guerrero passed. I hated to see the 10 bell salute mocked when Big Show's storyline father died and this use of it is even worse.

It seems to me that Vince might be enjoying his little tributes as well. I can't help, but to think it's a big ego stroke for him to hear himself eulogized.

I vote that they'll do a Vince faked it angle, but like I said they way they presented the footage makes the highly implausible in my opinion.

 

[STF]

Once again, those of you who following what to me is considered "entertainment"
should realize that Pro Wrestling is all "scripted", but in the last two decades,
some of this has gone too far...
I use to be a fan of this, and knew how this worked all along, but i don't care for it
anymore.

Of course it's scripted. I personally think though that death is just not something that a wrestling or sports-entertainment program should deal with. With the other deaths they didn't try to blur the line quite the way they have with Mr. McMahon's death. I don't mean to suggest that anyone's confused about McMahon being dead. I'm saying they haven't gone all out and presented the whole thing quite the way this angle is when they've done previous death angles.

 

[Radio_bored-Op]

*SPOILER*

it has a coooool punchline !!!

with dX !! wishing mr vince K McMahon,
a happy july 4th!! i think, again, it is clever,
creative, and (although) i didnt watch the
enitre/actual episode, it did what it was
supposed to, talk about wrestling in the
midst of summer.

here is a typical wrestling fan's reaction,
taken from a WB/Scranton paper,

“It’s messed up. A death is a serious matter,” said Kenny Noe, of Lakewood, Wash.
“Wrestling is not about death. It’s about beating people up, maybe getting hurt.”

-this is the typical 'fan' u are worried of offending ?


Furthermore, TELL ME HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT, then a close
call, for a "hero" ( say Jack, in the movie SPEED), or
Jack, from 24 ( never seen the show, ) but i SURE he
has his fair share of "close calls"

Yes, Vince survives, but as mentioned above,
the bigger picture will deliver a better result !!

" next time, let us in the building "

 

[STF]

I think using death in wrestling storylines is out of context. It would be like Jack Bauer fighting aliens next year on 24. I don't think of sports entertainment programming as the same as a regular scripted drama although they are both scripted. The internal logic (as illogical as it often is) of wrestling tells me that they don't try to actually murder each other.

 

[Radio_bored-Op]

*STF *

Thank You, STF -
That was the intelligent, thought out answer I was looking for; not
just "oh, it is off limits"

Although, i will say this:
-grand theft auto, one of the missions, is to do just that, rig a bomb
to take out (?)i believe it is another gang member.

-and, in the hack,knock off of the Departed, (movie Smokin Aces),
and countless others, this sense of violence is so...well
almost the standard, maybe that is why it doesnt phase me.

Wrestling fan, am i ? / fair weather fan, a stunt like this, may
get me to tune in...but only for the 'moment.' *PROBLEM*
with this INTENSE story line, every thing after this, will
seem *yawn* until the "next" earth-shattering stunt.

*could Vince become a "hero" status with this storyline ?*
if played right, read below:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>THIS HOWEVER,
could have a POSITIVE SPIN<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< if it *WAS*
used to bring back some like Bret Hart, and have him claim
responsibilty, and cliche's like "Payback is a ...... I vowed revenge!" (etc).

-Also, this can be used to lure (one time cameo's) of extremely popular
fan fave's ( such as the ROCK, Austin, and maybe even Hulk Hogan)...
...them, ALL saying, It was ME !!!! ( a la, who shot mr burns )....this
of course, would be before the story develops to what is going to happen....

which has a decent pay off !

 

[Nate Wesley]

Re: *SPOILER*

it has a coooool punchline !!!

with dX !! wishing mr vince K McMahon,
a happy july 4th!! i think, again, it is clever,
creative, and (although) i didnt watch the
enitre/actual episode, it did what it was
supposed to, talk about wrestling in the
midst of summer.

here is a typical wrestling fan's reaction,
taken from a WB/Scranton paper,

“It’s messed up. A death is a serious matter,” said Kenny Noe, of Lakewood, Wash.
“Wrestling is not about death. It’s about beating people up, maybe getting hurt.”

-this is the typical 'fan' u are worried of offending ?


Furthermore, TELL ME HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT, then a close
call, for a "hero" ( say Jack, in the movie SPEED), or
Jack, from 24 ( never seen the show, ) but i SURE he
has his fair share of "close calls"

Yes, Vince survives, but as mentioned above,
the bigger picture will deliver a better result !!

" next time, let us in the building "

24 and WWE Monday Night Raw have completely different self-contained 'realities' in which they exist. Blowing up that Town Car also blew a huge gaping hole into reality surrounding the on-air product of the WWE.

24's 'reality' is one based upon a semi-believable depiction of law enforcement dealing with terrorism in the U.S.--believable because there really are terrorism threats against the U.S., and there really are entities utilized to fight it (though they don't have the 'CTU' acronym). If 'Mr. McMahon' existed on 24, there'd be some 'real' attempt to bring his 'killers' (assuming they included persons other than himself) to justice. Furthermore, the media that exists on 24 (the very real Fox News and 'CN8'(?)) would've likely covered the limo explosion and reported it--Jack Bauer wouldn't be hearing about it while perusing WWE.com.

Raw, on the other hand, is based upon the 'reality' that it is a sports [entertainment] promotion based upon competition. And as professional wrestling has done since day one, it's told stories with gimmickry (amongst its wrestlers and their matches), comedic skits, and its own set of rules. Given the reality the WWE has created amongst its TV reality, poor Shane McMahon can't or wouldn't necessarily have his father's murderer convicted, or even arrested. Shane-o-Mac, however, might challenge the evil cretin to a hell-in-a-cell inferno match.

In which scenario would you have to suspend more belief?

 

[Nate Wesley]

I think using death in wrestling storylines is out of context. It would be like Jack Bauer fighting aliens next year on 24. I don't think of sports entertainment programming as the same as a regular scripted drama although they are both scripted. The internal logic (as illogical as it often is) of wrestling tells me that they don't try to actually murder each other.

Bingo.

Wrestling HAS dealt with death, but they were actual, real life deaths (Eddie Guerrero, Owen Hart, etc.).

To put it another way: When Rob Van Dam or Kurt Angle left WWE, the writers didn't have either man get on a plane destined to be shot down over the sea of Japan (with no survivors).

 

[Radio_bored-Op]

but....

however,
having a character "The Undertaker" being a major influence for 15 years,
it isnt a topic that is, "out there"

they have done worse, ( curiously enough w/ the Undertaker) representing
the US...versus, (?name escapes me) but, the character that pretty much
represented Al-Qaida... ( summer, 2004).*maybe summer 2005.

wwe (wwf ) also had stone cold, (cant remember, didnt watch it, but)
circa,1998-ish, have austin jump off a bridge, and/or get shot...

-WITH ALL DO RESPECT -
when it is a REAL event, life tradegy(?sp)
...the SHOW STOPS, and the PERSON, some times with nick-name, and real last name,
is honored/etc...this is being handled as 'entertainment'
(*from the clips i have seen).

 

[bhayes1016]

ROH Wrestling (Ring of Honor) is another fast-growing alternative to WWE, and since they have a PPV deal I hope a major TV deal will be next, probably with either FX or Superstation WGN.

I don't think you'll see RoH on national TV. It's easier for them just to do the DVDs.

 

[KML0224]

Radio Bored-Op, you were referring to Muhammad Hassan and that was in 2005. He was at "WWE Backlash" on May 1, 2005 in Manchester, NH (and I was in attendence). It was he and Daivari who wrestled Shawn Michaels and Hulk Hogan. Daivari appeared on "WWE Raw" earlier this evening.

By the way, it's 10:10 PM and there hasn't been a single mention of the legitimate death of "Sensational" Sherri "Martel" Russell. Why?

 

[C414B]

By the way, it's 10:10 PM and there hasn't been a single mention of the legitimate death of "Sensational" Sherri "Martel" Russell. Why?

Probably because they know they'd have to stop the McMahon angle...the buzzards.

It makes me almost want to swear off watching WWE seeing what they're doing with this.

 

[KML0224]

Then they close the show with Stephanie Marie McMahon Levesque (wife of HHH) talking about her father. It's too bad she can't act at all.

 

[johnnya2k6]

Actually, there is a tribute video to Sherri Martel now up on WWE.com. Because of the continuing Mr. McMahon "death" crap, they didn't have time to air it on tonight's Raw.

A-holes!

Jonathan Allen

 

[C414B]

Then they close the show with Stephanie Marie McMahon Levesque (wife of HHH) talking about her father. It's too bad she can't act at all.

I caught that as they were going off the air. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that thought she did a horrible job on that.