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WATO gone for good...

Sad, but not unexpected. Local radio is a rare thing these days. Wonder how long that station would have stayed around even if the tower hadn't fell. Shame.
 
So they're surrendering the license to WATO.

First WGAP bites the dust (for all practical purposes) and now sister station WATO.

WGAP, WATO, may you rest in peace. :-[
 
Raingus said:
How depressing. :(

Horne shouldn't even be allowed to own a radio station period.

I read elsewhere that some of Horne's AM stations are nothing but computers at the transmitter.

Horne is to Knoxville what Rama Communications is to Orlando and Bishop Willis is to.. well, wherever he has a station.
 
Way to go Horne, You have deep pockets but won't spend the freaking money (haven't you heard of taxwrite off??....IDIOT
what do you think your gonna do, take it with ya?? I worked for WATO when it was low and you didn't think it could sink any deeper man was I wrong

James Allen
WATO-1991-1997
 
Also I agree that Horne should never had been allowed to get into radio all of us should sign petitions to get Horne out of radio before he destroys whats left of the other heritage stations :eek:
 
jamesgang2 said:
Also I agree that Horne should never had been allowed to get into radio all of us should sign petitions to get Horne out of radio before he destroys whats left of the other heritage stations :eek:

Sign petitions that say what? A simple petition with signatures won't carry ANY weight with the FCC and will be laughed away.

That being said, if you're this against Horne Broadcasting, when some of their licenses come up for renewal, file a petition to deny then.. but you'll know cold hard facts and proven evidence.

(No, I am not a current or former Horne employee.. but just pointing out some facts)
 
They could have gold plated the new towers and no one would listen or care. Face the facts, AM is dead, regardless of Horne or not, in most small towns where there is no real revenue, results or listenership. It's just not profitable. Like a used typewriter salesmen. How many
AM stations will be signing off in the next 12 months??? Hundreds. Good times and great music.
 
Tibbs2 said:
Face the facts, AM is dead, regardless of Horne or not, in most small towns where there is no real revenue, results or listenership. It's just not profitable.

Does everything have to be about huge profits? Nothing else seems to matter but huge profits and ratings which is the very thing that has ruined commercial radio. Let me spell it out for everyone.........G-R-E-E-D, which is the very thing that has gotten this country into trouble.

As far as Horne is concerned this guy is clueless when it comes to running a radio station.
 
"""Horne Radio will sell the WATO license for $25,000 and negotiate for the equipment in the building.. they've sold the land and need to vacate it by the end of the year"""


If their price for the license is really 25 grand, they will definitely be turning in the license. As for the equipment, about the only thing left that would be useable anywhere else would be the remote control system and maybe one of the ATU units. The board is an abomination, the transmitter is not worth moving, and the phasor cabinets are scrap. As for the towers, if they were anything more than scrap metal, #3 wouldn't have fallen.
 
Raingus said:
Tibbs2 said:
Face the facts, AM is dead, regardless of Horne or not, in most small towns where there is no real revenue, results or listenership. It's just not profitable.

Does everything have to be about huge profits? Nothing else seems to matter but huge profits and ratings which is the very thing that has ruined commercial radio. Let me spell it out for everyone.........G-R-E-E-D, which is the very thing that has gotten this country into trouble.

As far as Horne is concerned this guy is clueless when it comes to running a radio station.


Raingus --- allow me to be a bit more clear from my perspective. Having once owned some stations, and thankfully being bailed out by of all people (groups)
CC, on a buying spree, AM in the under Top 50 markets is tough. I just happened to have a 100kw FM they wanted. Especially a fringe signal like one in Oak Ridge. Older listeners were loyal to AM in "the day". They've died. New listeners, more urban listeners, in bigger cities listen if the signal is decent and clean.

As for the word "HUGE" and profit...let me spell it out. P-R-O-F-I-T. Most operators of AM radio make little or nothing. There is no huge anything except headaches and expensive equipment, FCC manadates and stupidity, etc. If you are working at a small AM station making $8.00 an hour and you want a raise
to $9 are your being greedy? I do see where you're coming from. I just posted a similiar slam on the Atlanta board, but even as bad, dumb, inept, etc., as Horne is/was/are (I don't know who he/she/they it is) ... they went broke. There was no money or enough money to keep going. And to an owner just trying to stay on the air, a guy like you or me asking for a $1.00 an hour raise, as sensible as it is, might be considered greedy to the owner.

Seems like he lost a boatload of $$$. I ran a good, clean ship. The FM was strong and carried the two AM sinking ships. One AM, I leased out for religious programs and made, after expenses, roughly $300 a month (excluding equipment nightmares) ,,, the one I kept lost $3,000 a month, but I did not want to
fire anyone who had been there for years. Stupid me for not being greedy, I guess. But, honestly, it was the right thing to do. I could not fire those fine folks and they gave it 1,000%. CC kept 'em too, for a few years. Didn't have too. The FM more than carried this and if that had chanegd, I would have not considered myself to try to keep everything afloat. Nothing wrong with profits. They help pay people like you or me MORE! None of us would complain about that. Excessive profit...depends on what ya call excess! I guess.
 
SuperQ said:
"""Horne Radio will sell the WATO license for $25,000 and negotiate for the equipment in the building.. they've sold the land and need to vacate it by the end of the year"""


If their price for the license is really 25 grand, they will definitely be turning in the license. As for the equipment, about the only thing left that would be useable anywhere else would be the remote control system and maybe one of the ATU units. The board is an abomination, the transmitter is not worth moving, and the phasor cabinets are scrap. As for the towers, if they were anything more than scrap metal, #3 wouldn't have fallen.

That's really the price.. that figure was given to me by a Horne Radio employee.
 
Tibbs2,

I see your point of view. :)

Although this doesn't really have to do with WATO, my main gripe when it comes to commercial radio is the consolidation of multiple radio stations (Corporate Radio) that the FCC has allowed to happen in the past 15+ years. Media Consolidation to me is greed.

Plus music variety these days is horrible as a result of media consolidation.
 
Reality. There are too many other avenues of entertainment and information these days. Local radio worked extremely well when there was no cable TV, DirecTV, satellite radio, ipods, THE INTERNET and the list goes on. And yes, it can still work today. But remember only the strong survive. Had this outlet not fallen into irrelevency, it might still be able to stand its own. But if that were the case there would still be a thriving operation and not a dilapidated remnant of yesteryear. Time marches on. WATO is gone the way of the 8 track. I love that reference to a "used typewriter salesman!" What's a typewriter, daddy???
 
Raingus said:
Tibbs2,

I see your point of view. :)

Although this doesn't really have to do with WATO, my main gripe when it comes to commercial radio is the consolidation of multiple radio stations (Corporate Radio) that the FCC has allowed to happen in the past 15+ years. Media Consolidation to me is greed.

Plus music variety these days is horrible as a result of media consolidation.

Raingus ---

I have to admit, CONsolidation showed the bad side of corporations. It still amazes me that a single operator in the 80's could sound better with one
station than today's clusters with one electricity bill, shared minimal staffs, etc. And now the real reason the industry is sinking is because radio has
become so boring and lifeless that no listeners have a warm, fuzzy feel. The very same forces that bought off the de-regulations in DC took all of
the good will and gravy out of these stations. Can anyone name a station that sounds better in 2008 than it did in 1985? It's like all these suits sit around
in a dungeon and droll over ways to anger listeners more, assuming listeners are to stupid to know subtle changes...like airstaffs, locally-oriented
news, local playlists, non-VT dayparts. And very few stations that aren't part of the biggest "C" corps could stand up and blow these guys out of the
water, but instead lower their standards down to the CC, Crumy, Chitadel level. Look where thats gotten them. It's the new American way. You're right
...greed and "it's all about me" (the corporation) instead of for the listener so the revenues will be stronger.
 
Tibbs2 said:
Raingus said:
Tibbs2,

I see your point of view. :)

Although this doesn't really have to do with WATO, my main gripe when it comes to commercial radio is the consolidation of multiple radio stations (Corporate Radio) that the FCC has allowed to happen in the past 15+ years. Media Consolidation to me is greed.

Plus music variety these days is horrible as a result of media consolidation.

Raingus ---

I have to admit, CONsolidation showed the bad side of corporations. It still amazes me that a single operator in the 80's could sound better with one
station than today's clusters with one electricity bill, shared minimal staffs, etc. And now the real reason the industry is sinking is because radio has
become so boring and lifeless that no listeners have a warm, fuzzy feel. The very same forces that bought off the de-regulations in DC took all of
the good will and gravy out of these stations. Can anyone name a station that sounds better in 2008 than it did in 1985? It's like all these suits sit around
in a dungeon and droll over ways to anger listeners more, assuming listeners are to stupid to know subtle changes...like airstaffs, locally-oriented
news, local playlists, non-VT dayparts. And very few stations that aren't part of the biggest "C" corps could stand up and blow these guys out of the
water, but instead lower their standards down to the CC, Crumy, Chitadel level. Look where thats gotten them. It's the new American way. You're right
...greed and "it's all about me" (the corporation) instead of for the listener so the revenues will be stronger.

Well said!
 
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