Today, I had just gotten into my car and was flipping through the channels and CBS and Q-104 were both playing "Another Brick In The Wall" at the same time. Besides the fact that it shows how pathetic radio has become, does anyone else feel that CBS is playing a little too much AOR material?
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Way too much overlap between CBS and Q-104
- Thread starter frozenfiresb
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It could be worse. Twice in the last few weeks I've heard NOW, KTU and Z100 all playing the same song at the same time. And I don't spend a lot of time listening to any of these stations -- I suspect this happens more frequently than I'd imagined.
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butchfm
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OK...OK...OK I just got in my car and was flipping through the channels and WCBS 880 and 1010 WINS had the same news on.
I'm sure the difference would be, WCBS probably led into the news item with a song sample, and WINS didn't...
By the way, without even hearing WCBS-FM play that Pink Floyd song, I'm sure it wasn't the same presentation as heard on Q104, which usually couples it with "The Happiest Days Of Our Lives," the track prior to "Brick" on the "Wall" album.
By the way, without even hearing WCBS-FM play that Pink Floyd song, I'm sure it wasn't the same presentation as heard on Q104, which usually couples it with "The Happiest Days Of Our Lives," the track prior to "Brick" on the "Wall" album.
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musicfan101
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Is this seriously as bad as of an overlap that WHTZ and WKTU?!
frozenfiresb said:
Radio simply reflects the very broad and diverse taste of the public. Imagine being a radio listener in 1964, tuning into WABC and hearing Tony Bennett or Louie Armstrong. What are they doing on a pop station? But that was pop music in 1964. It could go from Bob Dylan to The Beatles to Al Hirt to ther Amboy Dukes.
Nothing pathetic about that. That's who we are. And it is changing from a handful of formats to groups of songs that can't be categorized again, just as it was in 1964. My view is that radio is shifting direction, away from constricted narrow formats, to shifting mixes aimed at demos rather than genres. So in othr words, you're likely to hear some sharing of songs between the formats, just as there should be some sharing of the audience between the stations.
I really really really really really wish this was even 10% true.TheBigA said:
vinyltapecd said:
Depends on the format, but it's very true. The biggest frustration on the part of the public is typically the radio station is more diverse than the taste of some listeners. As evidenced by this thread. The complaint was that Pink Floyd doesn't belong on a classic hits station. By who's definition?
Compare the playlists of a typical radio station with the playlist in a personal iPod, and the radio station typically is bigger and broader. Obviously that's not true for the 5% of the public that are hard core music fans. But everyone else gets more music and more variety from the radio.
My suggestion to those who feel the playlists of a certain radio station are to small and too repetitive is very simple: Try a different format. You'll hear lots of music you've never heard before. It will be an eye-opening experience. Quite often, the listeners restrict themselves by choosing a specific station, and expecting that station to change to suit them. Radio works the other way around. You will find a broad diversity of music if you'll just make the effort to find it. Not everything, but more than you'd expect.
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BabyDJ
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CBS FM is way too rock based. Especially with 80's music. There should be more pop 80's hits and less of the Poison, Def Leppard and Guns & Roses...
The 80's music is way too extreme... on the other end they are playing Tone Loc. There is no middle ground.
The 80's music is way too extreme... on the other end they are playing Tone Loc. There is no middle ground.
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BabyDJ
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DToTheJ said:BabyDJ said:
You're aware 101.1 is no longer "Jack-FM," right?
I am, but I'm not sure their programming department is......
BabyDJ said:DToTheJ said:BabyDJ said:
You're aware 101.1 is no longer "Jack-FM," right?
I am, but I'm not sure their programming department is......
CBS FM has it's highest ratings in a decade. I guess they know what their mix should be better than you. Def Leppard isn't being heard anywhere else and it should be. If you want Lionel Ritchie,. you have other choices.
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BabyDJ
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Radaioman said:
Now I'm sure you know what most people come to CBS FM for. I can tell you it's not for Def Leppard, Tone Loc or "Shattered" by the Rolling Stones. CBS FM does well because it is the only station that plays 70's Top 40 pop records and 60's cuts for the hangers-on who will put up with (read: don't like) the Def Leppard cuts because the station is what it is and there is no alternative.
What they need to do is look at the music from all 3 decades they feature and find the selections from each that can complement each other and. at the same time, are popular enough to capture the average listener.
The old CBS FM stayed too old for too long and it got them in trouble. This CBS FM has recaptured the old identity well, but they're screwing it up with too many rock-based cuts. This is not a rock town. PLJ, Lite and Fresh have moved away from the 80's. Look at the Z-100 charts. All those hits that are now AC friendly from the 80's should be staples on CBS-FM... and they fit with the 70's disco and 60's Motown the station plays. Basically, this station should sound more like what WNSR sounded like in 1986/1987. Good personalities, upbeat music and a few nods to Z-100.
Everytime there is an urge to play Shattered, they should substitute Invisible Touch or Tarzan Boy. You need more Madonna, Starship, Jets, Wham, Stevie Winwood, Bryan Adams, Billy Ocean, Tina Turner, Whitney Houston, Howard Jones, Miami Sound Machine etc..... these are the 80's artists that work with Donna Summer, Bee Gees, Chicago, Supremes, Beatles, Temptations etc It's not brain surgery.
BabyDJ said:
You miss the fact that their mix is WORKING and that people in their 40's and 50's who liked Hard Rock and Heavy Metal in the 80's LIKE that music and like it in the mix. Def Leppard had actual hit songs and sold a TON of records...just not to you. Tarzan Boy was not the kind of hit song that most people know and it certainly doesn't compare to Photograph or Hysteria or Animal etc.
Z100 was the continution of the 60s-70s Music Radio 77 WABC AM..
they were all about the HITS, and Z100 played #1 hit singles by Def Leppard,Poison and Guns n Roses,all of whom had their "Beatles" moment,and all of whom should be heard if CBS FM is really about "Classic Hits"...
as a die hard Beatles/Supremes era fan, I have no problem hearing "Welcome To the Jungle" or "Talk Dirty To Me',not at all..
they were all about the HITS, and Z100 played #1 hit singles by Def Leppard,Poison and Guns n Roses,all of whom had their "Beatles" moment,and all of whom should be heard if CBS FM is really about "Classic Hits"...
as a die hard Beatles/Supremes era fan, I have no problem hearing "Welcome To the Jungle" or "Talk Dirty To Me',not at all..
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BabyDJ
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Radaioman said:
The 80's music is not what is making the station work. It's the 60's & 70's music and the brand. There isn't anyplace else to hear 60's and 70's music, so they sit thru the bad 80's cuts, which end up being once and hour or so.
Do you honestly think Animal fits on a station that plays Barry White, The Beach Boys and The Bee Gees? While they haven't played it (yet), it sticks out like a sore thumb.
Remember, it's not about what got played THEN, it's what fits NOW. If we went by the logic of charts, we'd be playing Honey, The Osmunds and we'd bury Piano Man. But the opposite is what happens, because the first two are forgotten and the third grew in popularity as the artists' career did.
Just because someone liked something in 1988 doesn't mean they still like it today. And while Def Leppard had these hits, it's about what fits with the rest of the station and what makes the station the most appealing to the most number of people. It's a fine line you can easily screw up.
Def Leppard and Guns etc belong on Q-104 or an I-POD, not on CBS FM.
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