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Weathermen vs. Meteorologists

In Boston, we had the late Jane Day (her husband was Jack Campbell, owner of WPLM radio in Plymouth), who at various times did weather at both WNAC-7 and WBZ-4.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think I once heard somewhere that WNAC for a time had seven "weathergirls", each of whom would be on just one night a week for a total of two weather spots a week: One on the early-evening newscast; the other later that night on the 11 P.M. newscast.

Down the road in Providence, Art Lake (who only passed away within the past couple of years) began as a young announcer at WJAR-920 in the 1940's, moved to WJAR-10 when it first went on the air, and although he anchored newscasts and emceed other local shows, he eventually concentrated on weather. I think Lake took some meteorology courses, but never became a full-fledged meteorologist.

Today in Boston, we have several professional female meteorologists, including Melissa Mack (WBZ-4), J.C. Monahan (WCVB-5), and until recently, Dylan Dreyer (WHDH-7) and Cindy Fitzgibbon (WFXT-25).
 
Question for someone in the Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point
market: are Leigh Brock (WFMY) and Emily Byrd (WGHP) meteorologists
or weathergirls? From what I see, if either is a professional meterologist
I'm a monkey's uncle. OTOH, I'm quite sure WXII's chief meteorologist
Lanie Pope lives up to her billing.

In Raleigh, WRAL has Elizabeth Gardner in the morning, and I'm convinced
she's a bona-fide meteorologist, and besides that she's personable without
giving off the image of an airhead.
 
In our market we used to have a "weathergirl" who came out of local radio.
But on her station bio she was billed as a "Meteorologist". Dig a little deeper
and you'd find that she took a correspondence course in Meteorology from
some college down south someplace. Likely making the leap from small-market
DJ to Meteorologist in order to give her employer a marketing advantage.

Her main qualification of course was her set of absolutely stunning looks.
Half the time you'd miss the forecast cause that was not where your attention was focused.

Anyway, you don't need a Meteorologist to know which way the wind blows.
 
I knew a gal back in the 1980's that had done weather for a Toledo television station a few years before. When I asked her what her qualifications were she told me she had been hired because she had "great tits"........
 
Back in the '60s, NBC TV's flagship channel in NYC had a weather-guy named Pat Hernon. Much of Pat's assignments were fill-ins for the revered Dr Frank Field, Storm Field's father. Can't recall now if Hernon had any credentials in meteorology, but his greatest exposure came a little later as an NBC sportscaster. He died in '83.
 
Lkeller said:
In the SF Bay Area, KTVU's weather man for years was Pat McCormick, one of those jacks-of-all trades on-air people who also hosted the "Dialing for Dollars" Movie and a few afternoon kids' shows.

IIRC- sometime in the 70s, he did become a meteorologist, but that was years after he started reporting the weather.
...not to be confused with the comedian and writer of the same name, who also spent a bit of time in San Francisco...
 
I am a "weatherman" and not a meteorologist...although some people who see me out and about call me a "meteorologist". I'm honored that they think enough of what I do, but make it a point to correct them that I do not have a degree in the subject.

I DO have degrees...two of them to be exact. BA in Pastoral Ministries from John Wesley College (now Laurel University) in High Point, NC....and a MMin degree from Southern Wesleyan University in Central, SC. Both are SACS accredited...the best regional accreditation organization around.

I could have ended up teaching college-level Bible instruction if I wanted to, but life took me in a different direction. When I was a 6-year-old, my television idols were WEATHERMEN. I grew up outside of Charlotte, NC, so that meant healthy doses of Clyde McLean and Mike McKay from Channel 3, Jimmy Kilgo and Brooks Lindsey from Channel 9, and I would turn the rabbit ears north to see Frank Deal from Channel 8 and Glenn Scott from Channel 12. In the second grade, my teacher had us write down the interesting things we saw on TV the night before, and I always wrote the weather...both Clyde's and Jimmy's...and present them the next day in class.

In the 80's and 90's, the sunset of my Radio Days, I managed to talk the boss into having cable installed in the control room. I brought the TV from my bedroom, and rigged it up where one could only see TWC and CNN on it. Using that source, I was able to do fairly accurate storm warnings and even heard from a viewer that her life was saved by staying in rather than risking going out in a heavy storm that I had said was "dangerous."

In 2003, I was hired at "The Boob Tube" as it was known then...WXIV-14 in Good ol' Reidsville NC...the LUCKY CITY (as in Lucky Strike Cigarettes, made in the big factory on the north end of town). The station didn't do news, or weather, just loads of sit-coms. Within a year, the owner sold out and the new owners said, "We're doing news. What can you do to help." I told the owners I admired the "classic" weather-casters, and would like to do the weather hopefully reminiscent of their style.

They gave me the chance, and for over 8 years I've put together a TV weather-cast nearly every Monday through Friday on what is now WGSR-TV...Star News. We've tried many different formats for doing weather. I was on-screen interacting with the news anchor in the beginning, but that proved to be unwieldy for our small technical staff. I then experimented with doing my own production and "green-screening" the graphics behind me. That was fun, but again took time and effort to make me look right on-camera.

What we ended up with....and the way I do the weather today...is to produce it on Final Cut Pro on the station's Mac. I have a set of custom graphics I use to tell the story of the weather. I update them daily with all of the pertinent facts, and "borrow" a weather video from CNN every day to help tell the story. I no longer do things on-camera unless we have severe weather threatening, but people STILL swear they watch me every day doing the weather.

All told, it's very rewarding to be a weatherman. I make it my business to be as knowledgeable as I can on weather, consistent with the limitations of my schooling in the subject. As some have conjectured, I do rely to a big extent on the REAL Meteorologists and their abilities to forecast the broad patterns of weather. As a Weatherman, I am not bound to use their forecasts at all, but to use what common sense I have and what understanding I have about the weather, and where I see that the Meteorologist's forecast may not agree with what I see coming, to tell what I honestly believe the weather will do. Sometimes, I out-predict the Meteorologist. Sometimes he out-predicts me. As long as we keep people safe from the weather, we are both doing our job, and a wonderful job it is!

Matt Smith, WEATHERMAN
WGSR-TV Reidsville, NC
Star News Corporation
 
FRR said:
I knew a gal back in the 1980's that had done weather for a Toledo television station a few years before. When I asked her what her qualifications were she told me she had been hired because she had "great tits"........

I've heard many such horror stories from women who interviewed for
broadcast jobs in the 70's.
 
Anyone ever watch west coast TV meteorologist, Dr George Fischbeck? The quirky, mustachioed Dr Fischbeck bore an uncanny resemblence to Groucho Marx in his early days in Albuquerque, where he also taught elementary school science. His on-air gesture of clutching his heart with both hands was his trademark assurance to Duke City viewers that they could put his forecast in the bank.

The now 90-ish Fischbeck moved his TV weather act to the San Francisco market back in the early '70s.
 
Ultimajock said:
When the AMS heard Skilling was doing his weathercasts with a puppet sidekick, they stripped that seal from Skilling, who didn't get it back until he left WITI for WGN-TV/9 Chicago in '78...


How pretentious! Just because one doesn't have the AMS seal, doesn't mean you don't know your stuff. A few years ago, there was a young fellow doing the weather at my station. He had a 4 year meterological degree and a real passion for weather but didn't have the seal because, at the time, he didn't have the hundreds of dollars AMS charged for applicants to take the test. The seal may look good but seems like an expensive option that only impresses the impressionable...
 
jfrancispastirchak said:
Anyone ever watch west coast TV meteorologist, Dr George Fischbeck? The quirky, mustachioed Dr Fischbeck bore an uncanny resemblence to Groucho Marx in his early days in Albuquerque, where he also taught elementary school science. His on-air gesture of clutching his heart with both hands was his trademark assurance to Duke City viewers that they could put his forecast in the bank.

The now 90-ish Fischbeck moved his TV weather act to the San Francisco market back in the early '70s.

Dr. George was an institution throughout the '70s and '80s at KABC-TV, as he was there for nearly twenty years, starting at the height of KABC's dominance in the local news ratings. Much like many former KABC reporters/anchors, he later made to the move to KCBS-TV in the mid-90s (1994-97) before retiring again for good thereafter.

Last checked, Dr. George works as a volunteer at the Los Angeles Zoo.
 
Definitely a marketing tool. It is actually somewhat rare to find meteorologists presenting weather in Canada nowadays, there has been a trend away from meteorologists. The station I grew up with in Southern Ontario had a meteorologist for many years, he retired in 2009 and since then there has been a rotating group of weather people, usually girls. There was another meteorologist for awhile, but he moved to another market.

Weather reports in Mexico are a whole other game. A number of stations, most notably FORO tv in Mexico City, use very curvy girls with highly revealing clothing and absolutely no weather/scientific knowledge. FORO tv's morning program even has a track of men whistling while the girl is showing herself off while pretending to understand weather patterns on the Pacific coast. I've seen one Univision station online, I think in California, that has a weathergirl like this as well.
 
ShawnHill1 said:
jfrancispastirchak said:
Anyone ever watch west coast TV meteorologist, Dr George Fischbeck? The quirky, mustachioed Dr Fischbeck bore an uncanny resemblence to Groucho Marx in his early days in Albuquerque, where he also taught elementary school science. His on-air gesture of clutching his heart with both hands was his trademark assurance to Duke City viewers that they could put his forecast in the bank. The now 90-ish Fischbeck moved his TV weather act to the San Francisco market back in the early '70s.
Dr. George was an institution throughout the '70s and '80s at KABC-TV, as he was there for nearly twenty years, starting at the height of KABC's dominance in the local news ratings. Much like many former KABC reporters/anchors, he later made to the move to KCBS-TV in the mid-90s (1994-97) before retiring again for good thereafter.
Last checked, Dr. George works as a volunteer at the Los Angeles Zoo.
And that's what I heard as well, that he was volunteering his services at the LA Zoo. Great hearing about Ol' Dr Fischbeck. Thanks for the comeback!
 
Does anyone in New York remember Reggie Dombeck? She
was on WABC, IIRC, and I've seen her picture in publicity
shots for some of ABC's game shows of the early '60s, one
with Johnny Carson when he was doing "Who Do You Trust?"
in which he's on the receiving end of an exploding cigar; another
with Bud Collyer to promote the move of his "Number Please" from
12:30 to 2 PM.

A ways back in this thread was a question about the time Fannie
Flagg spent on WBRC's "Morning Show" in Birmingham. It would have
to have been in the mid-'60s because I moved to Birmingham in '69 and
she was already appearing on network shows; it was during my stay in
the Magic City that she became a regular on "The New Dick Van Dyke
Show" (1971).

And OK, Atlanta and San Diego, we've left out Dagmar Midcap. I've
never had a chance to watch her but I think she was something of a
joke in Atlanta, even though WGCL might have had a little ratings uptick
while she was there.
 
These most of these map pointers are "meteorologists" like most TelePrompTer readers are "journalists."

Who needs a degree in meteorology to say "sunny tomorrow, high 85." Or "rain tomorrow, take your umbrella."

What's next? Guys who read ball scores need degrees in phys ed or kinesiology? Guys who point and traffic maps need degrees in highway planning and design?

Then DJs will need degrees in music.

These people are presenters, no more and no less. Olivier didn't try to claim he wrote Hamlet or was a historian specializing in medieval history.
 
bpatrick said:
Harold Taft had a most competent replacement in David Finfrock, who I believe is still on KXAS and used to do weather on WBAP radio. He, too, is quite knowledgeable about weather and may have even picked up some of Troy's audience when he retired.

Another notable (to me, anyway) weathergirl was Ange Humphrey on WLKY Louisville in the mid-'70s. When general manager Jeff Davidson was transferred to sister station WXIA, he wanted her to move to Atlanta but she had a burgeoning career as a country singer with a band called Ange Humphrey and the Cumberlands. She later moved to WHAS, where she co-hosted "PM Magazine," married Jeff Davidson after he retired and moved back to Kentucky; since he passed away she has spent several years as a minister in a Baptist church in the Evansville area.

I know it's been awhile since this was posted.

Finfrock signed his last contract, a six-year deal, last year. He's due to leave by 2018, which would about match the tenure of Taft (42 years each, though David spent the first 15 years as the morning meteorologist) if he makes it that far. Finfrock's replacement, Rick Mitchell, is already in the building doing the 4 and the 10pm.

Sometime back here in Cincinnati, WLWT kept turning over chief meteorologists every two years or so. For one station to have just two in 64 years is practically unheard of. A credit to Harold, David, and NBC5.
 
The meteorologists on our station these days are actual meteorologists who know what they're doing. I suppose it depends to some degree what market you're in and how critical accurate weather is to everyday life. Wichita is more likely to need knowledgeable forecasters than Sacramento.

When I got started in this business in 1979, our weatherperson was not a meteorologist. We hired a meteorology student from the University part-time to prepare his forecasts & draw his maps.

One weekend morning, an tornado warning came across the wire. This student & I (an engineering student & part-time MCR operator) were the only two people in the building. I got her in front of a microphone in the control booth, brought up an ancient "EAS" slide, and told her "when you see that slide on the air, start reading".

Apparently it went well as last I saw, she was head on-air meteorologist at a major station in a Western market...
 
jfc40ts said:
Ultimajock said:
When the AMS heard Skilling was doing his weathercasts with a puppet sidekick, they stripped that seal from Skilling, who didn't get it back until he left WITI for WGN-TV/9 Chicago in '78...


How pretentious! Just because one doesn't have the AMS seal, doesn't mean you don't know your stuff. A few years ago, there was a young fellow doing the weather at my station. He had a 4 year meterological degree and a real passion for weather but didn't have the seal because, at the time, he didn't have the hundreds of dollars AMS charged for applicants to take the test. The seal may look good but seems like an expensive option that only impresses the impressionable...

Very pretentious. And still are. Only now they require those seeking a seal to nearly have a minor in Mathematics and Physics to even qualify for their seal. This after years of giving away the seal to anyone who had enough money to buy one (case in point: WGRZ-Buffalo's Kevin O'Connell who has no meteorology degree, yet has an AMS seal).

I am a damn good weather forecaster (with a 4-year Meteorology degree), but under their current requirements I don't believe I would qualify for their seal.

And the AMS, by the way, still charges an arm and leg to get it.
 
Longtime Evansville, Indiana fixture Marcia Yockey would later be called a meteorologist as she predated the term. She was a forecaster at the local weather bureau when hired by a local advertiser to do nightly forecast. She had a very outgoing personality becoming a down to earth local celebrity over a thirty years career.
 
Joseph_Gallant said:
In Boston, we had the late Jane Day (her husband was Jack Campbell, owner of WPLM radio in Plymouth), who at various times did weather at both WNAC-7 and WBZ-4.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think I once heard somewhere that WNAC for a time had seven "weathergirls", each of whom would be on just one night a week for a total of two weather spots a week: One on the early-evening newscast; the other later that night on the 11 P.M. newscast.
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I believe you're correct Joseph, and if memory serves me they were referred to as: "Miss Monday", "Miss Tuesday", "Miss Wednesday", etc.
Let's get a plug in for the late Don Kent, who was a meteorologist and weathercaster for WBZ-TV, and I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the gent that pretty much started the occupation, E.B. Rideout, who broadcast over WEEI(radio) way back when.
 
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