Tom, the comment about CA was you talking about all the CA immigrants in NM. As I stated earlier, I haven't lived in Abq, but have worked with a couple stations there and have spent time in the city. The facts about a demo or daypart is irrelevant - when no one's listening, that means no one's listening in any particular demo as well.
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ABQTom
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"Tom, the comment about CA was you talking about all the CA immigrants in NM."
What do immigrants in NM and CA have anything to do with the topic of discussion in these posts - *talk radio*? Furthermore, I never mentioned anything about CA immigrants in NM, so PLEASE don't misquote me.
"As I stated earlier, I haven't lived in Abq, but have worked with a couple stations there and have spent time in the city. The facts about a demo or daypart is irrelevant - when no one's listening, that means no one's listening in any particular demo as well."
WHO are you referring to? WHO is nobody listening to?
You are being very cryptic here, and again, I can't respond to any specific point about talk radio in either NM or CA.-tom
What do immigrants in NM and CA have anything to do with the topic of discussion in these posts - *talk radio*? Furthermore, I never mentioned anything about CA immigrants in NM, so PLEASE don't misquote me.
"As I stated earlier, I haven't lived in Abq, but have worked with a couple stations there and have spent time in the city. The facts about a demo or daypart is irrelevant - when no one's listening, that means no one's listening in any particular demo as well."
WHO are you referring to? WHO is nobody listening to?
You are being very cryptic here, and again, I can't respond to any specific point about talk radio in either NM or CA.-tom
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ABQTom said:
I don't recall specifically what I was debunking you on referring to some CA station, but the jist of it was that if a station has no listeners in general, whatever great success in some daypart or demo you mentioned is meaningless. If my station has a cume of 10 and an average AQH of 2, then, yes, my midday show with an AQH of 5 looks great... kind of.
As to why I comment in this forum, I enjoy perusing all the forums and commenting on issues pertaining to talk formats. Since I've had dealings with three of the talk stations in the market, I have some basis for which to post.
As to why I comment in this forum, I enjoy perusing all the forums and commenting on issues pertaining to talk formats. Since I've had dealings with three of the talk stations in the market, I have some basis for which to post.
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ABQTom said:
It's referring to transplants from California and the West Coast, and the East Coast and Midwest for that matter. Rapidly growing city, great for economic development, low business start up costs.
Don't try and wiggle your way out. You got caught.
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KJCB said:
hey there - Stop going after people, it's supposed to be a message board for exchanging ideas. Caught with what I have no idea what you mean. What your vandetta against me (expressed on both the new mexico and news/talk boards) I have absolutely no idea. It seems to revolve around the demographics of progressive talk stations, where you are splitting hairs over various issues. You seem to be of the old school that liberal talk won't sell, and are probably 2X or 3X my age and selling conservative talk (as I pointed out to the guy above).
But IT IS selling VERY well in Albuquerque on 1350 KABQ, and has always done well in Santa Fe, when the I.E. America Radio network (hartmann/malloy/werbe/stephan/collins/etc.) had a loyal following on 1260 KTRC.
Remember in liberal talk, some stations like to hire younger folks like me for LIBERAL talk stations/promotions/hosts/etc. So, it's a generational gap, so let's go about our seperate ideological ways in the biz and agree to disagree, and stop cluttering up the radio-info boards with useless chatter. Deal? For me, that's the liberal thing to do
-albuquerque tom
ABQTom said:
There's no splitting hairs, my statements are backed not by feelings but by the endless flipping of PT stations, if IE America was so hot it'd still be around, and I'll bet you $1,000 I'm younger than you.
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KJCB said:
The age doesn't matter. For whatever reason you are obscessed with "the principle of the matter" when it comes to progressive talk programming, because you are going after my comments with the same repeated emotion charged comments every time. i.e. "the endless flipping of PT stations" Well, so far, there have only been a handful of progressive talk flips most recently KLSD, San Diego. However, most progressive talk stations are alive and well and not going away. And, progressives on non-PT stations aren't going away either, like Alan Colmes, Jay Diamond, Dr. Dean Edell, Bill Handel's Handel on the Law, and Bob Brinker (Bob shouldn't be labeled but he leans left anyways recently).
I stand behind all of my posts with facts and provide links to support my comments. If I make a mistake I correct it. If I talk about ratings or demographics then I provide an explanation and links to ratings for the relevant demo.
While I have clearly stated that I am non-partisan when it comes to making programming decisions pertinent to various markets, this does not appear to be the case with you. In regards to liberal talk, you can't compare L.A. to Albuquerque, as you tried to above, without success.
ABQ and LA are entirely different, in regards to
1.income/home values
2.ethnicity
2.population
3.creative class scores
4.work hours
5.L.A. is a 24/7 city
6.L.A.competition between n/t and all news stations
7.political viewpoints of the people
8.Albuquerque is more of a daytime city, essentially a large small town
9.L.A. needs more ratings/revenue overnight for talk, albuquerque doesn't nearly as much
10.you complained that Big Ed didn't do well in L.A. well in ABQ he is doing exceptionally well
11. I.E. America did well in Santa Fe yes they were far left and you don't like them, but they did well on KTRC. I.E. America would never do that well in L.A.
12. different hosts do better in different markets, everyone loves Hartmann and Brinker in Albuquerque and Santa Fe (btw, Brinker used to be a rock and roll DJ in Santa Fe does anyone know when?)
Please stop being so cryptic by carrying on your discussion and state what you are really trying to say. If you are partisan, then just say it, frankly it's a free country and I don't really care you are entitled to be a conservative republican right-wing programmer. Albuquerque is one of our great SW US cities and has a lot of potential in radio in the next 5-10 years.
-abQtom
This is my last post on the topic because you're unbelievable. Here's a psychology lesson for you: you're mirroring your fragile emotional love for progressive talk onto me. I could care less if PT stations have gone away, as you say I do so "emotionally". I'd like to see a good PT station in every market. I'd also like to have a Chill station to listen to. But these are formats that have failed in the U.S. so they're not on. Nothing emotional about it.
Of course, your argument style needs some work. You built part of your attack on me being some inflexible octagenarian, and when you found out the opposite... "oh, well, that's not important... on to my next incorrect point". Maybe a class would help with that.
Of course, your argument style needs some work. You built part of your attack on me being some inflexible octagenarian, and when you found out the opposite... "oh, well, that's not important... on to my next incorrect point". Maybe a class would help with that.
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What am I missing KABQ's 12+ share and cume are the lowest it has had in the last 3 books! KOB's Cume is up and KABQ's is down. ALL of KABQ's Dayparts are DOWN
So where is this so called Lib growth??
So where is this so called Lib growth??
You got it, DoubleC. There was a time around two years ago when KABQ was as hot as an non-Class A AM could be. They had very nice 12+ and demo numbers. But now they're significantly down, and anyone who sees this is apparently an emotional fool.
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"This is my last post on the topic because you're unbelievable."
Geezz, dude, I sure hope so. You are, the most persistent persnickety poster on radio info to never stop responding to my posts in multiple threads. Surprised the moderator never relegated your exchanges to the "off the air" board......
"Here's a psychology lesson for you: you're mirroring your fragile emotional love for progressive talk onto me."
Come on - Never said I loved it....I have criticized it in several posts.....
"I could care less if PT stations have gone away, as you say I do so "emotionally". I'd like to see a good PT station in every market. I'd also like to have a Chill station to listen to. But these are formats that have failed in the U.S. so they're not on."
Failed? That's not true, and not fair to post inaccurate statements. Well, I guess as the disclaimer to these boards state, some views posted are "just plain wrong." Sorry I can't reconcile that with KGO with 8 shares 25-54 (6a-MID M-Sun) and KPTK-1090 Seattle with 5 shares (middays) 25-54, among others. Don't believe me, then check the links for KGO and KPTK ratings above.
"Of course, your argument style needs some work. You built part of your attack on me"
Goodness I have no desire to argue with your or attack you. You, sir, are exploiting my posts to attack stations, progressive stations, radio markets, and radio ratings consultants, and frankly, I don't appreciate you manipulating my posts for that purpose. Neither do any of the other professionals on these boards.
Geezz, dude, I sure hope so. You are, the most persistent persnickety poster on radio info to never stop responding to my posts in multiple threads. Surprised the moderator never relegated your exchanges to the "off the air" board......
"Here's a psychology lesson for you: you're mirroring your fragile emotional love for progressive talk onto me."
Come on - Never said I loved it....I have criticized it in several posts.....
"I could care less if PT stations have gone away, as you say I do so "emotionally". I'd like to see a good PT station in every market. I'd also like to have a Chill station to listen to. But these are formats that have failed in the U.S. so they're not on."
Failed? That's not true, and not fair to post inaccurate statements. Well, I guess as the disclaimer to these boards state, some views posted are "just plain wrong." Sorry I can't reconcile that with KGO with 8 shares 25-54 (6a-MID M-Sun) and KPTK-1090 Seattle with 5 shares (middays) 25-54, among others. Don't believe me, then check the links for KGO and KPTK ratings above.
"Of course, your argument style needs some work. You built part of your attack on me"
Goodness I have no desire to argue with your or attack you. You, sir, are exploiting my posts to attack stations, progressive stations, radio markets, and radio ratings consultants, and frankly, I don't appreciate you manipulating my posts for that purpose. Neither do any of the other professionals on these boards.
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"What am I missing KABQ's 12+ share and cume are the lowest it has had in the last 3 books! KOB's Cume is up and KABQ's is down. ALL of KABQ's Dayparts are DOWN
So where is this so called Lib growth??"
The growth in liberal listeners is a demographic projection of what will happen to the market in the next 5-10 years. You have to contact media companies for this sort of info.
FYI 12+ doesn't count at all for news/talk, 25-54 does count, and the TSL counts.
12+ numbers 6a-MID M-Sun flucuate widely book to book, for a variety of reasons, and are terribly unreliable.
Neverthless, overall, KABQ maintains a very healthy and consistent 12+ average share for a liberal station.
Contact KABQ to attempt to get 25-54 numbers intended for advertisers or go here for the spring book numbers -
http://www.ccnewmexico.com/main.html
So where is this so called Lib growth??"
The growth in liberal listeners is a demographic projection of what will happen to the market in the next 5-10 years. You have to contact media companies for this sort of info.
FYI 12+ doesn't count at all for news/talk, 25-54 does count, and the TSL counts.
12+ numbers 6a-MID M-Sun flucuate widely book to book, for a variety of reasons, and are terribly unreliable.
Neverthless, overall, KABQ maintains a very healthy and consistent 12+ average share for a liberal station.
Contact KABQ to attempt to get 25-54 numbers intended for advertisers or go here for the spring book numbers -
http://www.ccnewmexico.com/main.html
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DoubleC
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KABQ's 25-54 numbers are the lowest in 3 books as is there TSL
KABQ's is also down 25-34
Anything else ya wanna know
KABQ's is also down 25-34
Anything else ya wanna know
No, DoubleC, you have to contact media companies for the inside info Tom has. We are mere nobodies.
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Re: KABQ-AM Progressive
NO - I am referring to KABQ AM 1350 (!). THAT STATION is one of the topics of discussion in THIS thread.
PLEASE go to page 6 in this Clear channel pdf document for KABQ-AM 1350 (Albuquerque's Progressive Talk). link below
Thom Hartmann and Ed Schultz drive middays, the KABQ-AM TSL is the HIGHEST in the market for 35+.
The KABQ-AM 25-54 cume has steadily increased over the past five books, and will likely continue to do so.
http://www.ccnewmexico.com/pages/CCSpringBookReview2007.pdf
DoubleC said:
NO - I am referring to KABQ AM 1350 (!). THAT STATION is one of the topics of discussion in THIS thread.
PLEASE go to page 6 in this Clear channel pdf document for KABQ-AM 1350 (Albuquerque's Progressive Talk). link below
Thom Hartmann and Ed Schultz drive middays, the KABQ-AM TSL is the HIGHEST in the market for 35+.
The KABQ-AM 25-54 cume has steadily increased over the past five books, and will likely continue to do so.
http://www.ccnewmexico.com/pages/CCSpringBookReview2007.pdf
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KJCB said:
That clear channel link to ratings is courtesy of a clear channel employee I met at a conference this spring.
When you and double cc continue to post here in the absence of accurate web links to numbers to back up your arguments, those of us associated with the stations, hosts, their agents, or their advertisers get very irritated.
As you can clearly see on the pdf link, KABQ-AM has done very well, especially with the addition of Hartmann this spring.
So they have big TSL. I spent 15 hours watching the knitting channel yesterday.
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