LARadioRewind said:So what you're saying is that KFI should have Who on the morning show, What in middays, I Don't Know in afternoons and I Don't Give A Darn in early evening.
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Not very smart... Yeah, it's obvious...
So, what we can tell by reading the replies to just one of my recent posts, is this...
You'd rather critique/shoot the messenger than realize that the message has a lot of truth behind it.
From what we've gathered, nobody has said that this journalist is wrong. Or that our facts are wrong..
Or that we don't have a grasp of the facts. Or maybe we heard something that didn't really happen, or maybe
we're just making things up to get attention or to spur on some kind of hatred in "jr's" direction..
Nothing could be farther from the truth.. To answer one of the responses, contrary to your belief and possibly others,
this journalist is not a mean, angry old guy who sits at home and drones on about someone he doesn't like.
I post these musings about "jr." when I'm at work.. So, we're getting paid for our time as a professional in this business,
while we're able to observe and post the truth. It's called in some circles "multi-tasking." We'd just prefer the old school
description of same as "doing more than one thing at a time."
Some of our detractors should try it.. If you can manage it..
We're just reporting the truth.. What we hear, what we've learned from inside of Olive, and what we can figure out with a spoonful of effort. That's what a journalist does.
His/Her
main objective and job description is to report FACTS, and put them in such a way that whatever member of the public reading,
can understand and digest said facts, as it relates to the storytelling. Just reporting the truth.. What we hear and can figure out.. As simple as that.
Last week, on Wednesday and Thursday, we tuned in to "jr." as his taped crossover with FOX 11's Ed Laskos (with an "s" at the end of his name) was airing.. Both nights, he referred to him as Ed Lasko. Again, without the "s". This means, we can assume a few things.. "jr." doesn't read our posts. No one on "jr's" staff reads our posts. No one who MAY read our posts connected with Olive, wants to try and correct "jr." for fear of a huge blow-back. Or, maybe "jr." reads, ignores our posts, thinking he knows better and is above correction on any level. Any of these theories is possible.
So tonight, (3/19/13) we're listening at about :10 of the hour to give him a week to improve his knowledge of who he's talking to, even if it's on audio/tape/pre-recorded. Nope! Can't be corrected and can't be bothered with knowing Ed's real last name or knowing WHO he's speaking with. Introduced him as "Ed Lasko" AGAIN! Not very bright, "jr."
Previous to this mishap, "jr" was going on and on about Glendale outlawing gun show sales on it's city property. He mentioned that it's bad business for Glendale, because someone could just drive 3 blocks and purchase a gun in Los Angeles at a gun show there!
Nice one, "jr." It just so happens that gun shows have been outlawed in the city of Los Angeles for some time. You'd be there a long time in some parking lot to wait for those gates to open.. But then again, he does spend a lot of time at Santa Anita, waiting for probably anything to show up in a parking lot, so this would be just another afternoon for him..
Some research would certainly help in this case. But THAT would require reading/looking something up on the internet/or just knowing what the heck you're talking about.. Par for the course, as we used to say. He DOES just talk a lot to hear himself talk, without really knowing WHAT he's talking about.. Examples to follow in future posts.
Right before the top of the hour, and his jones to get to the multi-level parking garage at Clear Channel (CC), he asks George Noory, like some child, if George would give him a "shout out" on HIS show, so he sould hear his name over a syndicated national program. Well, ya gotta give it to "jr." He may never have the talent for a syndicated show, so at least he'll have one chance to hear his name "nationally."
That would be like a Beatle fan (for lack of a better example) getting a hold of Paul McCartney's stage manager before a live concert, and asking him/her if Paul would dedicate a song to him during a concert, ignoring the other 20,000 fans in the audience. Very respectful and non-egotistical, "jr." What a clown.. Looking for props wherever he can get them, getting other people on his show to cover for him and do the heavy lifting, and then asking a nationally syndicated talk show host to mention his name on the air, so he can go home and tell Jennifer, who probably has heard it all before.. Many times.
It's OK to have an ego, "jr." Psychologists will tell you that it's healthy. We ALL have some kind of ego. Some good, some huge, some not worthy of the person, etc. However, a BIG EGO is OK, if you have the talent to back it up. Nobody cares if the aforementioned Sir Paul has a big ego. His worth and body of work can back it up.. He delivers, in other words.
A huge ego, without the talent, is just that, "jr." Just a huge ego. Mix in some talent, and see where it might get you.
Oh, yeah. Too late for that..
Maybe some formal education might've helped. IF ya didn't fall asleep in class all the time.
Von Nupkins
So, what we can tell by reading the replies to just one of my recent posts, is this...
You'd rather critique/shoot the messenger than realize that the message has a lot of truth behind it.
From what we've gathered, nobody has said that this journalist is wrong. Or that our facts are wrong..
Or that we don't have a grasp of the facts. Or maybe we heard something that didn't really happen, or maybe
we're just making things up to get attention or to spur on some kind of hatred in "jr's" direction..
Nothing could be farther from the truth.. To answer one of the responses, contrary to your belief and possibly others,
this journalist is not a mean, angry old guy who sits at home and drones on about someone he doesn't like.
I post these musings about "jr." when I'm at work.. So, we're getting paid for our time as a professional in this business,
while we're able to observe and post the truth. It's called in some circles "multi-tasking." We'd just prefer the old school
description of same as "doing more than one thing at a time."
Some of our detractors should try it.. If you can manage it..
We're just reporting the truth.. What we hear, what we've learned from inside of Olive, and what we can figure out with a spoonful of effort. That's what a journalist does.
His/Her
main objective and job description is to report FACTS, and put them in such a way that whatever member of the public reading,
can understand and digest said facts, as it relates to the storytelling. Just reporting the truth.. What we hear and can figure out.. As simple as that.
Last week, on Wednesday and Thursday, we tuned in to "jr." as his taped crossover with FOX 11's Ed Laskos (with an "s" at the end of his name) was airing.. Both nights, he referred to him as Ed Lasko. Again, without the "s". This means, we can assume a few things.. "jr." doesn't read our posts. No one on "jr's" staff reads our posts. No one who MAY read our posts connected with Olive, wants to try and correct "jr." for fear of a huge blow-back. Or, maybe "jr." reads, ignores our posts, thinking he knows better and is above correction on any level. Any of these theories is possible.
So tonight, (3/19/13) we're listening at about :10 of the hour to give him a week to improve his knowledge of who he's talking to, even if it's on audio/tape/pre-recorded. Nope! Can't be corrected and can't be bothered with knowing Ed's real last name or knowing WHO he's speaking with. Introduced him as "Ed Lasko" AGAIN! Not very bright, "jr."
Previous to this mishap, "jr" was going on and on about Glendale outlawing gun show sales on it's city property. He mentioned that it's bad business for Glendale, because someone could just drive 3 blocks and purchase a gun in Los Angeles at a gun show there!
Nice one, "jr." It just so happens that gun shows have been outlawed in the city of Los Angeles for some time. You'd be there a long time in some parking lot to wait for those gates to open.. But then again, he does spend a lot of time at Santa Anita, waiting for probably anything to show up in a parking lot, so this would be just another afternoon for him..
Some research would certainly help in this case. But THAT would require reading/looking something up on the internet/or just knowing what the heck you're talking about.. Par for the course, as we used to say. He DOES just talk a lot to hear himself talk, without really knowing WHAT he's talking about.. Examples to follow in future posts.
Right before the top of the hour, and his jones to get to the multi-level parking garage at Clear Channel (CC), he asks George Noory, like some child, if George would give him a "shout out" on HIS show, so he sould hear his name over a syndicated national program. Well, ya gotta give it to "jr." He may never have the talent for a syndicated show, so at least he'll have one chance to hear his name "nationally."
That would be like a Beatle fan (for lack of a better example) getting a hold of Paul McCartney's stage manager before a live concert, and asking him/her if Paul would dedicate a song to him during a concert, ignoring the other 20,000 fans in the audience. Very respectful and non-egotistical, "jr." What a clown.. Looking for props wherever he can get them, getting other people on his show to cover for him and do the heavy lifting, and then asking a nationally syndicated talk show host to mention his name on the air, so he can go home and tell Jennifer, who probably has heard it all before.. Many times.
It's OK to have an ego, "jr." Psychologists will tell you that it's healthy. We ALL have some kind of ego. Some good, some huge, some not worthy of the person, etc. However, a BIG EGO is OK, if you have the talent to back it up. Nobody cares if the aforementioned Sir Paul has a big ego. His worth and body of work can back it up.. He delivers, in other words.
A huge ego, without the talent, is just that, "jr." Just a huge ego. Mix in some talent, and see where it might get you.
Oh, yeah. Too late for that..
Maybe some formal education might've helped. IF ya didn't fall asleep in class all the time.
Von Nupkins
Re: Not very smart... Yeah, it's obvious...
Great stuff, nupkins. Why don't you call the MOIST line with that material?
Great stuff, nupkins. Why don't you call the MOIST line with that material?
Re: Not very smart... Yeah, it's obvious...
What? And take your weekly hobby away from you? No chance, Simi.
We'll go ahead and leave the amateur stuff to the amateurs..
What? And take your weekly hobby away from you? No chance, Simi.
We'll go ahead and leave the amateur stuff to the amateurs..
Re: Not very smart... Yeah, it's obvious...
(dontcha just love it?)
As a regular listener...I'm just that, a listener...but I will now start to be more anally fixated on the details of this program. Listening to that show is like hanging out with people like I'd normally hang out with, if I had the time. I happen to enjoy it, but I'll really start finely slicing it, I promise!
(dontcha just love it?)
As a regular listener...I'm just that, a listener...but I will now start to be more anally fixated on the details of this program. Listening to that show is like hanging out with people like I'd normally hang out with, if I had the time. I happen to enjoy it, but I'll really start finely slicing it, I promise!
Re: Not very smart... Yeah, it's obvious...
Hey Zig (Von) -
Clearly it's you, since I can't think of another person in Los Angeles who'd care so much to post such a lengthy opinion about the late-night show on an AM station in a dying medium.
Enjoyed your shows at KFI. "Hot fresh talk, served up late?" I still remember the IDs. You put a lot of work into your show, and it was one of the best-prepared on the radio.
I know it's difficult to see someone else succeed, who doesn't put in the same kind of effort you put into your show. But that's just the entertainment biz. But ratings are ratings, which shows a lot of blue-collar folks like the show, even if the host mispronounces an obscure Greek last name. Frankly, I don't give a rat's butt. I mispronounce names all the time. I like the "beer hangout" humor. If I wanted more J&K, I'd just pull up the J&K podcast on my phone.
In ten years, Conway will be gone, the KFI audience [and all of radio] will be almost entirely gone, and it'll be like none of this ever happened.
Sincerely,
A Fellow L.A. Radio Listener
Hey Zig (Von) -
Clearly it's you, since I can't think of another person in Los Angeles who'd care so much to post such a lengthy opinion about the late-night show on an AM station in a dying medium.
Enjoyed your shows at KFI. "Hot fresh talk, served up late?" I still remember the IDs. You put a lot of work into your show, and it was one of the best-prepared on the radio.
I know it's difficult to see someone else succeed, who doesn't put in the same kind of effort you put into your show. But that's just the entertainment biz. But ratings are ratings, which shows a lot of blue-collar folks like the show, even if the host mispronounces an obscure Greek last name. Frankly, I don't give a rat's butt. I mispronounce names all the time. I like the "beer hangout" humor. If I wanted more J&K, I'd just pull up the J&K podcast on my phone.
In ten years, Conway will be gone, the KFI audience [and all of radio] will be almost entirely gone, and it'll be like none of this ever happened.
Sincerely,
A Fellow L.A. Radio Listener
I'm thinking it's Zig too. There's some semantic tools online to compare writing styles...
I really enjoyed Zig's informative, and more often than not, maniacal rants. I'm guessing he's better than a scratch golfer these days since his website and radio career appear to be lax. His website had some great inside info on his KFI days and departure but not sure if that's still available.
I really enjoyed Zig's informative, and more often than not, maniacal rants. I'm guessing he's better than a scratch golfer these days since his website and radio career appear to be lax. His website had some great inside info on his KFI days and departure but not sure if that's still available.
Wow. Ten minutes of my life reading this thread I will never get back. Someone needs to get a life.
Zig and Conway were friendly, at least before KLSX went away. Zig was on Tim's show at least three times, including the last show before the format change. (On his second appearance, he debated former KFI liberal host Karel.)rap2792 said:
Some of the detractors are missing the point !
Westfield60: Thanks for your insight and comments.. Appreciated..
No one is asking for "heavy handed" political talk in the 7-10 pm slot. Just someone who KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT ! (and I'm not SHOUTING with the CAPS! Just making a point.)
Calguy also made several good points. All we're stating is the obvious.. All we are reporting, as a journalist, is how lame "jr." is and how easy it would be to find someone who isn't that "C" average (if he's lucky, from what we hear) kid in high school, trying to get his parent's attention by screaming out a word or sentence here and there, just like a kid who wants the big toy on the shelf. That's all.
For those interested: P. Hendrie probably didn't enjoy Robin "not getting" his show, but I agree, it would be funnier and more intelligent talk radio.
Oh, by the way... We have many friends and have cracked many beers in our day. Cracking a beer with "jr?" Uhhhhhhhh..... Nope! Alcoholic drinks should be enjoyed with good company and good food. "jr's" digestive problems that he likes to tell his audience about, especially in the 7-8 pm hour, wouldn't suffice as "good company" or appropriate conversation.
As far as "50's Radio...Yawn.." You are wrong. They didn't have talk radio in the 50's, so please join "jr." and try and find a subject you have some knowledge in. Thanks on behalf of the rest of us.
(We think that was Henry, but his post was kind of boring, so we just skipped through most of it).
It's really nice weather-wise this time of year, right before the summer hits with all the unwanted heat.
It's especially beautiful in Arrowhead and even in Burbank, before June..
Oh yeah, where were we? Sounded like a "jr." brain freeze there, didn't it? Just rolling along, the Adult ADD kicks in, and you're on another subject altogether, without making a logical transition or even completing a sentence or thought.
For the person who keeps attempting to remind us that small town radio is bad, and we should all be grateful someone like "jr." has our back, please sit down for a minute.. Lay down on your Futon from Ikea and back away from the "Swedish Meatballs" minus the saddle. This one's for you.
The reason MOST of us "graduated" with hard radio work from those small towns in this state or another, is because we KNEW that small town radio wasn't where we were going to learn anything beyond a certain point.. So we got better and moved up. Unlike "jr." who just moved up due to his famous father and last name.. The luck will run out sooner than later, but that is for another post.
The point we're attempting to make, going S-L-O-W-L-Y for your benefit, (Henry, are you there?) is that we shouldn't HAVE to settle for what sounds like small town radio in the #2 radio market in the country. That's it in a nut shell.
Of course we can travel to a small town in Utah, or New Mexico or Meatwhistle, Montana and hear beginning radio and those who are trying their best to improve and move on up! And those of us who've been there/done that and worked hard to get where we need to be, can actually listen with a smile and remember how hard that road was and picture what the guy or girl on the air is going through.. An appreciation, so to speak.
It's what makes you better by the time you graduate to a medium market or a large or major market, preferably in that order.
A very good, most likely excellent RKO jock who worked at KHJ back in the 70's told me something once, and we've passed it along to those in need of some wisdom or guidance in their careers. Mainly for the beginners. Which, if you've noticed, "jr.' sounds more and more like every night.
The moral of the story/lesson to be learned was this: (We'll paraphrase here) YOU NEED all the small market stops and medium market jobs on your way UP. Because you need those towns and situations and program directors to GET ALL OF THAT BAD RADIO OUT OF YOU!
So, by the time you hit the majors, you have very little to "improve" upon, because it's been hacked out of you on your way up the ladder.
Notice anything missing with the subject matter at hand? Of course you do. "jr." never worked his way up. Now, we're not envious or jealous, because WE KNOW how rough around the edges we were on the air at our first few stations. So, IF we were to have our first radio job in a major market, like L.A., we'd sound unprepared, amateurish at times, and might even just shout out words in sentences or at the ends of sentences for no reason, just because we hadn't matured our act yet.
Oh, wait.. THAT DOES sound like"jr.'s" act. We didn't have to strive to get adult's attention.. It was either there in our presentation or it wasn't. And we had PDs along the way who let us know the good and not-so-good of our word choices, etc.
Oh yeah. "jr." only had Mr. Silver to pat him on the back and just hope that he doesn't swear or say something that would get him suspended from his air shift. Oh, wait.. That DID happen already.
See? Some experience BEFORE "jr." hits the big time would save us all from his many ticks and habits, let alone his constant ADD and forgetting nightly what subject matter he's in the middle of. And another thing, while we're at it..
Someone posted that his producer should have told him how to say Ed Laskos's last name? Really? Are you serious?
Again, he's been in TV news in L.A. over a decade with a chiron with his reports and "jr." can't say "Las-kos?" Are you really sniffing and apologizing for someone who doesn't care if you exist? We're not wrong.. Just reporting the FACTS!
Take a hint.. A producer is there to steady the course ("jr's ship is taking on water..or vodka at this point) and advise and maintain some sort of clarity during the broadcast.. Lay off of Misty! She's got her hands full with for all intents and purposes, a high school dropout with a famous father, who's bailed him out of numerous situations way past the time "jr." should've been an adult.
No one is asking "jr." to know the Greek alphabet. Or speak the language. We don't know it EITHER. But when we're on the phone/on the air/taping an interview, WE KNOW WHO WE ARE TALKING TO.. It's not Misty's fault "jr." has the attention span of a newly laid brick. Sorry about that analogy. Giving "jr." too much credit. Just a brick. We'll give Jennifer the benefit of the doubt with that one.
WE all know (those in and around this business) that small town radio/TV is just good for a few laughs and can be frightening if taken seriously.. That's why it's small town media! Telling us to go to other towns outside of L.A. or other states to listen, as if THAT would prove your point isn't cutting it. Has nothing to do with "jr." acting and sounding like that high school kid, in the back of the class, upset because his looks are a tad worse than his mental abilities, trying to get attention from the time the class starts to the ending bell. And only the ones with his "brand of humor" are laughing AT him.
The rest of the class in this case, the audience, is just rolling their eyes, making notes.
So, as stated in a previous post: When he starts shaping up and stops making a ton of errors and actually starts KNOWING WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, we'll have nothing to call him out on..
Until that time, he gives us sooooo much material to work with.. Now, if he was smart, (yeah, we're asking a lot) he'd realize that we're trying to point him in the right direction and gently correct his nightly gaffs and misinformation..
But he's not very bright, and so is his lot in life.
And one more time for those who haven't read previous posts from this observer.. We're NOT jealous, envious or anything else in relation to "jr." We own property and it's paid for. Never wanted to work in talk radio full time and certainly not for KFI under any PD or circumstances. (Just pointing out a small market act in a major market world).
D. Gordon Hall thought Daryl Gates brought a lot to the table.. Robin thought "exercise girl" on Sunday mornings would be a hit. Maybe not-so-much. When you're a PD, it helps to have Cat-like instincts.. They both failed in that arena.
No. I'll stick with my job and the VO work that lands my way.. Oh yeah.. And listening to "jr." implode
in between Dodger games.
Yeah, we know who Robin is married to, but at least 570
has Mr. Scully. Don't mind giving them my attention.
Von Nupkins
Westfield60: Thanks for your insight and comments.. Appreciated..
No one is asking for "heavy handed" political talk in the 7-10 pm slot. Just someone who KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT ! (and I'm not SHOUTING with the CAPS! Just making a point.)
Calguy also made several good points. All we're stating is the obvious.. All we are reporting, as a journalist, is how lame "jr." is and how easy it would be to find someone who isn't that "C" average (if he's lucky, from what we hear) kid in high school, trying to get his parent's attention by screaming out a word or sentence here and there, just like a kid who wants the big toy on the shelf. That's all.
For those interested: P. Hendrie probably didn't enjoy Robin "not getting" his show, but I agree, it would be funnier and more intelligent talk radio.
Oh, by the way... We have many friends and have cracked many beers in our day. Cracking a beer with "jr?" Uhhhhhhhh..... Nope! Alcoholic drinks should be enjoyed with good company and good food. "jr's" digestive problems that he likes to tell his audience about, especially in the 7-8 pm hour, wouldn't suffice as "good company" or appropriate conversation.
As far as "50's Radio...Yawn.." You are wrong. They didn't have talk radio in the 50's, so please join "jr." and try and find a subject you have some knowledge in. Thanks on behalf of the rest of us.
(We think that was Henry, but his post was kind of boring, so we just skipped through most of it).
It's really nice weather-wise this time of year, right before the summer hits with all the unwanted heat.
It's especially beautiful in Arrowhead and even in Burbank, before June..
Oh yeah, where were we? Sounded like a "jr." brain freeze there, didn't it? Just rolling along, the Adult ADD kicks in, and you're on another subject altogether, without making a logical transition or even completing a sentence or thought.
For the person who keeps attempting to remind us that small town radio is bad, and we should all be grateful someone like "jr." has our back, please sit down for a minute.. Lay down on your Futon from Ikea and back away from the "Swedish Meatballs" minus the saddle. This one's for you.
The reason MOST of us "graduated" with hard radio work from those small towns in this state or another, is because we KNEW that small town radio wasn't where we were going to learn anything beyond a certain point.. So we got better and moved up. Unlike "jr." who just moved up due to his famous father and last name.. The luck will run out sooner than later, but that is for another post.
The point we're attempting to make, going S-L-O-W-L-Y for your benefit, (Henry, are you there?) is that we shouldn't HAVE to settle for what sounds like small town radio in the #2 radio market in the country. That's it in a nut shell.
Of course we can travel to a small town in Utah, or New Mexico or Meatwhistle, Montana and hear beginning radio and those who are trying their best to improve and move on up! And those of us who've been there/done that and worked hard to get where we need to be, can actually listen with a smile and remember how hard that road was and picture what the guy or girl on the air is going through.. An appreciation, so to speak.
It's what makes you better by the time you graduate to a medium market or a large or major market, preferably in that order.
A very good, most likely excellent RKO jock who worked at KHJ back in the 70's told me something once, and we've passed it along to those in need of some wisdom or guidance in their careers. Mainly for the beginners. Which, if you've noticed, "jr.' sounds more and more like every night.
The moral of the story/lesson to be learned was this: (We'll paraphrase here) YOU NEED all the small market stops and medium market jobs on your way UP. Because you need those towns and situations and program directors to GET ALL OF THAT BAD RADIO OUT OF YOU!
So, by the time you hit the majors, you have very little to "improve" upon, because it's been hacked out of you on your way up the ladder.
Notice anything missing with the subject matter at hand? Of course you do. "jr." never worked his way up. Now, we're not envious or jealous, because WE KNOW how rough around the edges we were on the air at our first few stations. So, IF we were to have our first radio job in a major market, like L.A., we'd sound unprepared, amateurish at times, and might even just shout out words in sentences or at the ends of sentences for no reason, just because we hadn't matured our act yet.
Oh, wait.. THAT DOES sound like"jr.'s" act. We didn't have to strive to get adult's attention.. It was either there in our presentation or it wasn't. And we had PDs along the way who let us know the good and not-so-good of our word choices, etc.
Oh yeah. "jr." only had Mr. Silver to pat him on the back and just hope that he doesn't swear or say something that would get him suspended from his air shift. Oh, wait.. That DID happen already.
See? Some experience BEFORE "jr." hits the big time would save us all from his many ticks and habits, let alone his constant ADD and forgetting nightly what subject matter he's in the middle of. And another thing, while we're at it..
Someone posted that his producer should have told him how to say Ed Laskos's last name? Really? Are you serious?
Again, he's been in TV news in L.A. over a decade with a chiron with his reports and "jr." can't say "Las-kos?" Are you really sniffing and apologizing for someone who doesn't care if you exist? We're not wrong.. Just reporting the FACTS!
Take a hint.. A producer is there to steady the course ("jr's ship is taking on water..or vodka at this point) and advise and maintain some sort of clarity during the broadcast.. Lay off of Misty! She's got her hands full with for all intents and purposes, a high school dropout with a famous father, who's bailed him out of numerous situations way past the time "jr." should've been an adult.
No one is asking "jr." to know the Greek alphabet. Or speak the language. We don't know it EITHER. But when we're on the phone/on the air/taping an interview, WE KNOW WHO WE ARE TALKING TO.. It's not Misty's fault "jr." has the attention span of a newly laid brick. Sorry about that analogy. Giving "jr." too much credit. Just a brick. We'll give Jennifer the benefit of the doubt with that one.
WE all know (those in and around this business) that small town radio/TV is just good for a few laughs and can be frightening if taken seriously.. That's why it's small town media! Telling us to go to other towns outside of L.A. or other states to listen, as if THAT would prove your point isn't cutting it. Has nothing to do with "jr." acting and sounding like that high school kid, in the back of the class, upset because his looks are a tad worse than his mental abilities, trying to get attention from the time the class starts to the ending bell. And only the ones with his "brand of humor" are laughing AT him.
The rest of the class in this case, the audience, is just rolling their eyes, making notes.
So, as stated in a previous post: When he starts shaping up and stops making a ton of errors and actually starts KNOWING WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, we'll have nothing to call him out on..
Until that time, he gives us sooooo much material to work with.. Now, if he was smart, (yeah, we're asking a lot) he'd realize that we're trying to point him in the right direction and gently correct his nightly gaffs and misinformation..
But he's not very bright, and so is his lot in life.
And one more time for those who haven't read previous posts from this observer.. We're NOT jealous, envious or anything else in relation to "jr." We own property and it's paid for. Never wanted to work in talk radio full time and certainly not for KFI under any PD or circumstances. (Just pointing out a small market act in a major market world).
D. Gordon Hall thought Daryl Gates brought a lot to the table.. Robin thought "exercise girl" on Sunday mornings would be a hit. Maybe not-so-much. When you're a PD, it helps to have Cat-like instincts.. They both failed in that arena.
No. I'll stick with my job and the VO work that lands my way.. Oh yeah.. And listening to "jr." implode
in between Dodger games.
Yeah, we know who Robin is married to, but at least 570
has Mr. Scully. Don't mind giving them my attention.
Von Nupkins
Re: Some of the detractors are missing the point !
Ken Levine freelancing round these parts or Zig.
I'm leaning toward the former.
Love reading your blog Ken!
Ken Levine freelancing round these parts or Zig.
I'm leaning toward the former.
Love reading your blog Ken!
Re: Some of the detractors are missing the point !
I know it's minutae, but shouldn't that be David G Hall?
No one is going to take away my liking this show. Why do I like it? It's a great way to unwind in the evening....maybe some of these points you make are even reasons why I LIKE it. There is no overanalysis required. It's pleasant, doesn't require a lot of cognition, and it's a whole helluva lot better than just about anything on TV. Like I said before, the group there sounds like people I'd likely hang out with, if I had the time.
I'm also really sorry, but it sounds like maybe you didn't get the gig. I hope you are able to just let it go, but please make sure you take any shovels you might have out of the trunk of your car, just to be on the safe side.
von nupkins said:
I know it's minutae, but shouldn't that be David G Hall?
No one is going to take away my liking this show. Why do I like it? It's a great way to unwind in the evening....maybe some of these points you make are even reasons why I LIKE it. There is no overanalysis required. It's pleasant, doesn't require a lot of cognition, and it's a whole helluva lot better than just about anything on TV. Like I said before, the group there sounds like people I'd likely hang out with, if I had the time.
I'm also really sorry, but it sounds like maybe you didn't get the gig. I hope you are able to just let it go, but please make sure you take any shovels you might have out of the trunk of your car, just to be on the safe side.
Re: Some of the detractors are missing the point !
Winston Churchill once said "A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject".
Winston Churchill once said "A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject".
I want to know who this "We" the self proclaimed journalist keeps referring to. Got a turd in yer pocket or somethin'?
Re: Some of the detractors are missing the point !
And KFI is the second highest billing station in LA, and the fifth highest in the USA. That's a very impressive rank. And it is the highest billing station in the format, anywhere.
Talk programming is always hit-and-miss. Talents that work one place will fail in another. New ideas will have a very low success rate, but unless they are tried, a station will stagnate. Hand it to the PDs at KFI for attempting new things.
To be totally fair, there is essentially no listening to radio, and particularly to AM, on Sunday morning. Taking the time to try anything in a zero-listening daypart is to be commended, even if it did not work.
While the industry trades have been bemoaning the drops at many major market talk stations, KFI is holding quite firm and it is one of the few big AM news-talk stations to consistently place well inside the top 10 in 25-54.
KFI is a successful station programed more than just competently.
von nupkins said:
And KFI is the second highest billing station in LA, and the fifth highest in the USA. That's a very impressive rank. And it is the highest billing station in the format, anywhere.
Talk programming is always hit-and-miss. Talents that work one place will fail in another. New ideas will have a very low success rate, but unless they are tried, a station will stagnate. Hand it to the PDs at KFI for attempting new things.
To be totally fair, there is essentially no listening to radio, and particularly to AM, on Sunday morning. Taking the time to try anything in a zero-listening daypart is to be commended, even if it did not work.
While the industry trades have been bemoaning the drops at many major market talk stations, KFI is holding quite firm and it is one of the few big AM news-talk stations to consistently place well inside the top 10 in 25-54.
KFI is a successful station programed more than just competently.
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I know it's minutae, but shouldn't that be David G Hall?
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I think this is an obtuse and oh-so-dumb reference to the Watergate era. Yawn.
barman said:
I know it's minutae, but shouldn't that be David G Hall?
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I think this is an obtuse and oh-so-dumb reference to the Watergate era. Yawn.
Re: Some of the detractors are missing the point !
You might want to re-read the post to which you refer. Here's the line you must've missed from Zig, er Ken, er Von: <<And one more time for those who haven't read previous posts from this observer.. We're NOT jealous, envious or anything else in relation to "jr." We own property and it's paid for. Never wanted to work in talk radio full time and certainly not for KFI under any PD or circumstances. (Just pointing out a small market act in a major market world).>>
Guess we all can't hang out with cool people. And if these are guys you'd likely hang out with, if you had the time, I would worry. I mean, I have to wonder what it's like being Timmy's friend, or general "hang out with" partner. Hanging at the track or in a smoke filled card room doesn't quite do it for me. But hey, nothing wrong with that once in a while, just not into a steady diet of gambling. But when you're making the big bucks, you have disposable income and can blow your cash any way you'd like, and not bother prepping your show or reading up on the subjects that you will no doubt mangle when you get behind the mic.
I have no horse in this race, but I do find it amusing to read along. I kind of agree with most of the points that Von is making. What I see from the non-industry types is that they have nothing to compare Timmy's show with to know how much better it "could" be with a little elbow grease. It's a show for slackers by a slacker. It's only my opinion and the Radio-Info statistician, I mean David, will no doubt tell us about how well KFI is programmed, how well it bills and how you have to take chances one in a while if you're a KFI PD. Interesting thing, taking chances is exactly what isn't happening in radio enough. However knowing the CC culture like I do, Robin doesn't take chances, she does as she's told, like a good CC PD does.
Yes, he meant David G. Hall, but if you're correcting him on that, you don't quite get what's going on here.
barman said:
You might want to re-read the post to which you refer. Here's the line you must've missed from Zig, er Ken, er Von: <<And one more time for those who haven't read previous posts from this observer.. We're NOT jealous, envious or anything else in relation to "jr." We own property and it's paid for. Never wanted to work in talk radio full time and certainly not for KFI under any PD or circumstances. (Just pointing out a small market act in a major market world).>>
Guess we all can't hang out with cool people. And if these are guys you'd likely hang out with, if you had the time, I would worry. I mean, I have to wonder what it's like being Timmy's friend, or general "hang out with" partner. Hanging at the track or in a smoke filled card room doesn't quite do it for me. But hey, nothing wrong with that once in a while, just not into a steady diet of gambling. But when you're making the big bucks, you have disposable income and can blow your cash any way you'd like, and not bother prepping your show or reading up on the subjects that you will no doubt mangle when you get behind the mic.
I have no horse in this race, but I do find it amusing to read along. I kind of agree with most of the points that Von is making. What I see from the non-industry types is that they have nothing to compare Timmy's show with to know how much better it "could" be with a little elbow grease. It's a show for slackers by a slacker. It's only my opinion and the Radio-Info statistician, I mean David, will no doubt tell us about how well KFI is programmed, how well it bills and how you have to take chances one in a while if you're a KFI PD. Interesting thing, taking chances is exactly what isn't happening in radio enough. However knowing the CC culture like I do, Robin doesn't take chances, she does as she's told, like a good CC PD does.
Yes, he meant David G. Hall, but if you're correcting him on that, you don't quite get what's going on here.
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It's rather entertaining and quite appropriate for the evening.
As someone who has programmed talk in LA and a half-dozen other markets with 4 to 5 million or more population, I can depart from the statistics (which simply validate the current operation and prove they are doing something right) and say that KFI is "edgy" enough without being too niche, and it has the appropriate talent on in each daypart.
Using a single Sunday morning experiment to indict the total programming is disingenuous on the part of the previous poster... and certainly not a base from which to launch an assault on KFI.
When you are at the top of the billings and ratings ranks, why in the world would you take a chance? The "New Coke" example leaps to mind...
PDs at every station, unless they double as the owner, answer to someone. Duh.
And Robin is given considerable autonomy and freedom, earned by her present and past success.
I get the distinct impression we will have to invoke Godwin's Law on von nupkins quite soon...
calguy said:
It's rather entertaining and quite appropriate for the evening.
As someone who has programmed talk in LA and a half-dozen other markets with 4 to 5 million or more population, I can depart from the statistics (which simply validate the current operation and prove they are doing something right) and say that KFI is "edgy" enough without being too niche, and it has the appropriate talent on in each daypart.
Using a single Sunday morning experiment to indict the total programming is disingenuous on the part of the previous poster... and certainly not a base from which to launch an assault on KFI.
When you are at the top of the billings and ratings ranks, why in the world would you take a chance? The "New Coke" example leaps to mind...
PDs at every station, unless they double as the owner, answer to someone. Duh.
And Robin is given considerable autonomy and freedom, earned by her present and past success.
I get the distinct impression we will have to invoke Godwin's Law on von nupkins quite soon...
Thanks for the validation David! LOL! By the way, you said earlier and I'll quote: "People who don't take risks don't innovate and don't have the big wins." Now you're saying that "When you are at the top of the billings and ratings ranks, why in the world would you take a chance? The "New Coke" example leaps to mind..." So which is it?
I don't think we'll be comparing Timmy or Mr. Von Nupkins to the Nazi's or Hitler before the end of this thread, but you're entitled to your opinions.
I don't think we'll be comparing Timmy or Mr. Von Nupkins to the Nazi's or Hitler before the end of this thread, but you're entitled to your opinions.
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