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What an embarassment !

calguy said:
Thanks for the validation David! LOL! By the way, you said earlier and I'll quote: "People who don't take risks don't innovate and don't have the big wins." Now you're saying that "When you are at the top of the billings and ratings ranks, why in the world would you take a chance? The "New Coke" example leaps to mind..." So which is it?

You take risks like putting Conway on... not by deviating totally from the formula. In other words, calculated risks.

Many people call the iPhone "innovation" but really the risk involved was whether people wanted an iPod with a phone or a phone with an iPod. In other words, they did not play outside the white lines, but they did something a little different inside the lines.

There is a difference between taking risks and insanity. The kinds of things being proposed here for KFI are insanity.

I don't think we'll be comparing Timmy or Mr. Von Nupkins to the Nazi's or Hitler before the end of this thread, but you're entitled to your opinions.

Well, we jumped 40 years back with the Watergate reference. What's another 30 years?
 
Re: Some of the detractors are missing the point !

von nupkins said:
(We think that was Henry, but his post was kind of boring, so we just skipped through most of it).

LOL! Pot calling the kettle black (in regard to TL;DR posts)? ;D

Of course we can travel to a small town in Utah, or New Mexico or Meatwhistle, Montana and hear beginning radio and those who are trying their best to improve and move on up!

Man! Stop living in the 50s, dude! There hasn't been a "those trying to improve and move up" culture since 1996! The cluster is empty! It's dead, Von. D-E-A-D (that slow enough for you, too)? It's 100% syndication hell out here in the rest of the country. Today's radio is about cheap, low-risk ratings. If a cheaper talent pulls a lower rating, but still is profitable -- that's preferable to an expensive talent who pulls better ratings (but higher risk at contract-negotiation time).

I can't believe you are making me defend Tim Conway, Jr. But he checks all the boxes:

  • Cheap
  • Pulls ratings
  • Profitable

That's all Clear Channel needs. Sure, they could pull Phil Hendrie, Ed Tyll, or ... heck ... Simon Cowell, if you threw enough cash at him. But we're talking about KFI's night show. Local. Unsyndicated. Cheap.

Whether you like my opinion or not, Von, I am the guy in my late-20s. We are the idiots advertisers are throwing their money at. Baby boomers are quickly exiting salable demos. Have fun with MOYL and Sean Hannity syndication. For radio to survive, it's gotta chase the cash -- and Conway/Bender stupid stoner humor is sure a heck'uva closer to winning the young demo than Suits, Kennedy, or Ziggy.
 
"Music of Your Life"

I admit, it was a low blow. Not meaning to make this argument personal. I'm just passionate about the direction talk radio needs to go to survive. TCJS ain't great, but it's one of the few shows that's whispering in the right direction.

I don't have many friends in L.A. who listen to any talk on the air, except NPR. But there's a small handful who love Conway's show and love Handel. Everyone else (including J&K) are meaningless. Limbaugh is the plague. Got a buddy who lives 700 miles inland who podcasts Handel -- for Handel on the News.

There's something to the Conway "shoot the breeze" element in "News Bender" and HOTN which works with 25-34s.
 
You didn't so much make it personal as you did about someone's supposed age. I say that because you don't really know how old the people are on here unless they tell you. I see that a lot here on the boards. If you're over 40 you are automatically thought of as some geezer. Funny thing is, you don't have to be old to not like Timmy's show.

There is an age bias in the radio industry as well. If you work at a music station and you grow out of the demos you're talking to, you are put out to pasture. If you're on a talk station and talking politics or finance you're thought of as old and stodgy. If you're young, dumb and lucky enough to get a gig you can do sloppy, mediocre work and be thought of as cool.

The MOYL reference, (a nice insult as insults go) was not only low, but a wild assumption when you consider that those in their 60's were most likely not listening to MOYL artists, but were more likely to listen to Led Zeppelin and the Stones. The 50's are way before my time, so unless Von is in his 80's, I'm thinking he's a Classic Rock guy.

Yes, working your way up isn't quite how it's done now days. Most don't go to the small town first. The cluster is automated in the small towns. The newbies want it all NOW! No dues paying in the boonies. Nope, they want want the big time, and since most PD's are young, inexperienced and told to keep the budget low, those novices can actually get gigs in the bigs. Sadly, it sounds like it too.
 
Re: Some of the detractors are missing the point !

SimiRadioListener26 said:
henry said:
Have fun with MOYL and Sean Hannity syndication.
What's MOYL?

Music of Your Life began in 1978 as a syndicated radio format based on standards... big bands, the Rat Pack, Perry Como, etc.

It has updated over the years, but is still a very traditional format. }

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Your_Life
 
The Eternal Failing Upward of The Spotless Mind w/ a Famous Last Name. You go Junior.
 
henry said:
I admit, it was a low blow. Not meaning to make this argument personal. I'm just passionate about the direction talk radio needs to go to survive. TCJS ain't great, but it's one of the few shows that's whispering in the right direction.

I agree Conway's caller and staff interaction is refreshing compared to the repetitive formulaic crap that dominates talk radio.

henry said:
I don't have many friends in L.A. who listen to any talk on the air, except NPR. But there's a small handful who love Conway's show and love Handel. Everyone else (including J&K) are meaningless. Limbaugh is the plague. Got a buddy who lives 700 miles inland who podcasts Handel -- for Handel on the News.

You lost me with Handel. I just don't get his attempts at humor and his self mocking humor. It's not fun. It's not funny. I don't care if hosts are unprepared - that can be interesting like Conway. When a host clearly reads from a news article, pretends to be knowledgable, and has a weak attempt at analysis that's just lame radio by Handel. I don't need all the repititive news, traffic, sports, weather either in the morning. Do people actually still use radio for that? Give me topical discussion and opinion sprinkled with guests and some callers.

J&K's approach is at least believable even if one disagrees with their political rants. It's down to less than 40 min of talking per hour on traditional radio. I've nearly given up listening live and gone podcast only or Carolla for morning drive.
 
show seem stupid to me, and Zigler was strange too... but to each his own, if they get ratings then I guess that is what counts, with sat radio, hd, net, etc, there are lots of options

I think it is funny the way he thinks the world revolves around him
 
You lost me with Handel.

Fair enough. The irreverent, somewhat liberal, politically-incorrect Brazilian-born Jewish guy -- guess it's enough of a departure from the norm to seem refreshing.

I like J&K, personally, a LOT. To be fair, I like Limbaugh, too. But I'm not the "norm" of 28 year-olds. But I see what my buddies and their girlfriends/wives listen to. Conway isn't burning down the house, but he is creating buzz among a few of my friends. And that's something, because NO radio shows create buzz anymore (that aren't on NPR).
 
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