Just listening to Magic 93...and Jeff Gordon says through the magic of radio he is two places at one...one air and at his company Christmas Party? mmmm I don't agree with this practice of saying you are not there...but its just me. Hey I remember missing alot of Christmas parties and other events because I had to work...or was the part-timer put on to fill in so the full timer could get off. Oh well.
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yonkstur
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Oh man, that is sooooooooooooo wrong. It ruins the illusion of radio. I thought he'd know better than that. This was the same guy who used to do the Radio Home Shopper on WARD. He'd paint such a picture that you'd imagine all the merchandise he was selling was on a bank of computers when in fact there were a bunch of index cards and a big spiral notebook. It's not like he never knew radio and his persona was an illusion. Man!!!
One night a few Christmases ago, when I was a sales rep there, I brought in my world famous Seafood Bisque to Citadel the night before because we were having an office Christmas party. The only guy there was the Magic overnight guy, Jeff Neal. But as I walked by each empty studio, I heard a cornucopia of formats and sounds that made my heart race. Yes they were voice tracked but no one was telling me that. Thus the illusion. I know Jeff, worked with him and he is a most decent character. Let's just call this a wee lapse in judgement.........but oh man, it was so wrong!
Yonkstur
One night a few Christmases ago, when I was a sales rep there, I brought in my world famous Seafood Bisque to Citadel the night before because we were having an office Christmas party. The only guy there was the Magic overnight guy, Jeff Neal. But as I walked by each empty studio, I heard a cornucopia of formats and sounds that made my heart race. Yes they were voice tracked but no one was telling me that. Thus the illusion. I know Jeff, worked with him and he is a most decent character. Let's just call this a wee lapse in judgement.........but oh man, it was so wrong!
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ElectricNoodle
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yonkstur said:
I'm not so sure the "listener" doesn't realize that already. Contrary to popular belief, I believe people know things aren't like they used to be. After all, just listen to the product. Same old, same old - songs and liner cards. And maybe radio is just catching up to its younger cousin - television, where pretty much everyone knows just about everything, including quite a bit of news programming, is recorded for later playback. I don't agree but it is what it is.
As the old adage says; you can never go home again.
I know its done...
But I agree l like the illusion that there is someone live on air talking to me the listener.....and I pretty much think people believe the person who is on air is there...(remember the listening public doesn't know all of our secrets). But...If you go and tell people you are not there... well, maybe it was a lapse in judgement..and maybe the higher ups told him he had to say it....oh well.
But I agree l like the illusion that there is someone live on air talking to me the listener.....and I pretty much think people believe the person who is on air is there...(remember the listening public doesn't know all of our secrets). But...If you go and tell people you are not there... well, maybe it was a lapse in judgement..and maybe the higher ups told him he had to say it....oh well.
Lighten up everyone. While you think Jeff might have not exercised the best judgement, I think you're more concerned with his statement of absence than the listener. First of all, they may not have understood what he meant (what an understatement). Secondly, perhaps they just listen for the music and don't care if he's there or not. Would that be a shocker!
Would I have said what he did? Probably not. Would my PD have lost any sleep over it? Again, probably not. Don't sweat the small stuff. It's radio; not life or death.
Would I have said what he did? Probably not. Would my PD have lost any sleep over it? Again, probably not. Don't sweat the small stuff. It's radio; not life or death.
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Nokmo True
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Nuthin' personal, don't know the guy, it was dumb.
So it's not life and death? Let everyone know that there's no one there, because that's what they expect? I guess you have given up.... Look at the other topics lately and tell me local radio isn't in shambles. It's ok to shut down a station if the night guy calls in sick..... No local news or updates on a tornado striking our area... DJ's saying "I'm not here, I'm at a party"!!!! PD's not digging in when duty calls. We all stated we have or had once a passion. Yes, I agree that passion was for what radio once was.. a theater of the mind, a friend, a medium to reach out to our local community and do something. Now it's just a paycheck and a way for some corporation to sqeeze dollars out of our area without contributing anything. Will that last person to leave the building please turn off the tower light.
I think we are worried about the listener....and about the future of radio A few years ago I was working on a Christmas Eve....and I thought...who and the heck is listening tonight...and then I got a phone call...from an elderly man who said...I am so happy someone answered the phone, we chatted for a while......and he said I am alone and just so you know hearing someone's voice is like having family here....and I thought...this made the night worth being here...because radio...tv...personalities are like family to some people....so I believe the element of live is important...
also.......I was listening to George Norry the other night...(I know he and Art Bell are a bit out there but they do have a following.) Norry said ...Hey I want everyone to know I will be here live on Christmas Night...for all of my listeners...and he got a number of calls thanking him.
also.......I was listening to George Norry the other night...(I know he and Art Bell are a bit out there but they do have a following.) Norry said ...Hey I want everyone to know I will be here live on Christmas Night...for all of my listeners...and he got a number of calls thanking him.
I think it's a big deal that we let people know we are there, live. That is, when we are live. Little time & temp drops, short mentions of breaking sports news, etc. If you must be recorded, try to make it sound live and never make mention of being somewhere else. Also, don't mention the weather.
There are enough stations that are, and sound, automated. If someone is really there, or if they have a good system, use it and sound fresh. If you're in the studio and not busy, give the phone number out; at least you might have someone to talk with.
To paraphrase one famous radio/tv personality of decades ago, "The best radio is people."
There are enough stations that are, and sound, automated. If someone is really there, or if they have a good system, use it and sound fresh. If you're in the studio and not busy, give the phone number out; at least you might have someone to talk with.
To paraphrase one famous radio/tv personality of decades ago, "The best radio is people."
Should Jeff have said it? No. Is it a big deal? No. Unfortunately, we've trained people to expect little out of radio. Go back to the thread about emergency warnings the night of the tornado. There's nothing live on the alleged news station in town. A faux pas on the part of a jock at a music station is not reason for the death penalty.
Not a smart thing to say. Did anyone die ??? No..
That bieng said, if one wanted to compile a list of stupid things that were said on the air in Scranton today the list would be mighty long!!! Voice tracing boys and girls if done properly can actually save our bid-ness.
It is here to stay. It is a bid-ness. If done well noone would know the wiser. A bad voice tracer would be bad on the air to. If you can't be tight with the commm-pew-ter you probablu won't be able to start a record either!!! It won't be long before its all in the can all of it. Its going to happen if you owned a station a music station any size any market.. Do really want joey the overnite boy on the air and left alone with millions of dollars of equipment???? Do you !! Let's face it EVERY business in America faces a huge problem. PEOPLE. Peole get sick, people mouth off, people are know it alls, people break the law your stuff and cause you problems. People are also the greatest asset. It becomes a question of ballance, for everyone the scale tips differently. Have a merry
That bieng said, if one wanted to compile a list of stupid things that were said on the air in Scranton today the list would be mighty long!!! Voice tracing boys and girls if done properly can actually save our bid-ness.
It is here to stay. It is a bid-ness. If done well noone would know the wiser. A bad voice tracer would be bad on the air to. If you can't be tight with the commm-pew-ter you probablu won't be able to start a record either!!! It won't be long before its all in the can all of it. Its going to happen if you owned a station a music station any size any market.. Do really want joey the overnite boy on the air and left alone with millions of dollars of equipment???? Do you !! Let's face it EVERY business in America faces a huge problem. PEOPLE. Peole get sick, people mouth off, people are know it alls, people break the law your stuff and cause you problems. People are also the greatest asset. It becomes a question of ballance, for everyone the scale tips differently. Have a merry
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Nokmo True
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Luckily it was Magic 93 and at night. How many people could have possibly heard it anyway?
Luckily it was Magic 93 and at night. How many people could have possibly heard it anyway?
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yonkstur
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A few years ago I was working on a Christmas Eve....and I thought...who and the heck is listening tonight...
The first year I did ovrnights at WVIA FM (before the satelite and three day old newscasts) I was really angry. I had to work on ChristmasEve/Christmas Day, 11pm to 7AM. Giving up family, church, girlfriend at the time, like you, who in the hell will be listening? That night I had a hooker, policeman, fireman, night watchman, RN and lady with insominia call me. I played their requests within the format (the RN wanted Ray Conniff, I think she had me mixed up with WYZZ) and had the busiest, most memorable, productive night of my radio career. I wasn't Larry King or Cousin Bruce or Jonathan Scwartz, but at least I was there and the phone lines were open.
Last Christmas, coming back from MidNight Mass, VIA's bird went out for a while. No one to cal even if you wanted to. Times have changed. But we all know that.
Yonkstur
The first year I did ovrnights at WVIA FM (before the satelite and three day old newscasts) I was really angry. I had to work on ChristmasEve/Christmas Day, 11pm to 7AM. Giving up family, church, girlfriend at the time, like you, who in the hell will be listening? That night I had a hooker, policeman, fireman, night watchman, RN and lady with insominia call me. I played their requests within the format (the RN wanted Ray Conniff, I think she had me mixed up with WYZZ) and had the busiest, most memorable, productive night of my radio career. I wasn't Larry King or Cousin Bruce or Jonathan Scwartz, but at least I was there and the phone lines were open.
Last Christmas, coming back from MidNight Mass, VIA's bird went out for a while. No one to cal even if you wanted to. Times have changed. But we all know that.
Yonkstur
The comment isn't nearly as big a deal as his overall approach is. In this day & age of our once monopolized listeners being bombarded by countless sources to get their entertainment, the one thing broadcasters can still offer the listener is a bond. Nothing like essentially saying, "Hah-ha. I'm not there for you when you really think I am". Those listeners did feel a sense of betrayal in varying degrees. A "Pilot of the Airwaves" should never ever betray his listener. Worse yet, he did this for a cheap pop. If he felt a comment like that was OK, how effective of a communicator or bond maker can he be?
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warm590
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FWIW, I'll be working christmas day morning from 6-9; our station is very listener oriented and I will get a lot of phone calls...will be glad to talk to the fine folks who tune in and hopefully cheer up the folks that can't get out on Xmas day.....will be glad to be sure that there's someone to talk to ;D
Have a cool yule 8)
making the good old days happen
warm590
Have a cool yule 8)
making the good old days happen
warm590
Here's a possible stumper for those who think they know WARM inside and out. Once a year, for many years, a non-WARM talent could be found at 590. I mean this was a guy who had nothing to do with WARM, yet everything to do with another station.
That one night a year was the WARM Christmas Party(and, yes, it was called the Christmas party), and the completely non-WARM talent was...? Anyone got this? I'd be surprised if anyone did, but let's see.
Lord, talk about parties. Those of us lucky enough to have made it to those WARM bashes can easily tell you they were the biggest, most lavishly overdone parties imaginable. Nothing short of wonderful, sensational, two words often used in WARM's imaging.
And, please, I don't mean this to be taken as anything other than the true statement that it is; I worked more Christmas mornings than not at several stations, and the phones sat there and stared right back at you - no calls. I'd sign an affadavit to the effect that during some 5-6 hour Christmas morning shifts the phone maybe, maybe, rang three times, if that.
That one night a year was the WARM Christmas Party(and, yes, it was called the Christmas party), and the completely non-WARM talent was...? Anyone got this? I'd be surprised if anyone did, but let's see.
Lord, talk about parties. Those of us lucky enough to have made it to those WARM bashes can easily tell you they were the biggest, most lavishly overdone parties imaginable. Nothing short of wonderful, sensational, two words often used in WARM's imaging.
And, please, I don't mean this to be taken as anything other than the true statement that it is; I worked more Christmas mornings than not at several stations, and the phones sat there and stared right back at you - no calls. I'd sign an affadavit to the effect that during some 5-6 hour Christmas morning shifts the phone maybe, maybe, rang three times, if that.
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ppatrol
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Masterg, Back in the days, I believe it was Bobby Day that did the Christmas Party shift.
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