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What is kroq gonna do?

As someone who participates in RateTheMusic I've noticed this polarization. Men and women agree on very few of the songs right now. All Time Low and Twenty One Pilots are the consensus picks right now. That's why TOP has been a dominant #1 so consistently. That's why "Monsters" has hung around for over a year, and why "Once In A Lifetime" looks ready to pick up where "Monsters" left off. Those consensus artists are rare and have to be embraced once they're identified.
That is very interesting. I tried RTM for radio use long ago, but the stratification limitations meant it was OK for the big picture but not for a very specific listening group. I have not re-evaluated lately, so could you tell me how much personal information they have asked you for?
But then we have some of those artists playing around with the rock genre. Taylor Swift dropped two folk-rock albums last year. Machine Gun Kelly switched genres to pop-punk, as did fellow rapper MOD SUN. Will Smith's daughter Willow dropped a pop-punk lead single a couple of weeks ago too. Other artists are apparently considering a switch to rock or at least something resembling an alternative sound (whether rock or pop). I don't think alternative or rock is dead yet but it depends on whether the celeb pop artists playing with the rock sound are accepted or not I think.
We live in a first impressions world, so image may be more important than content. I think you are giving this a good analysis perspective by bringing this up.
 
I agree, and the reason has its foundation in the music. Alternative rock was a reaction to what rock music had become in the 80s. So a new generation of artists created something different. Just as rock of the late 60s and 70s was in response to what preceded it. After 20 or so years, that alternative sound became as stale as the rock music that preceded it. Something new & fresh has to come along that doesn't sound so derivative. It's probably there right now, but it hasn't attracted enough of an audience because music is so splintered. I wonder if we will ever see a group of new rock musicians attract that kind of following that alternative did in the early 90s. There's so little investment coming from the major labels these days, and that's really the only place where it can come from. So many of the artists who might have gone to alternative have instead released their music in other formats because that's where the money is. What's interesting to me is how many of those 20-somethings also love older classic rock.

I have a Millenial employee, about 28, who knows the classic rock library down cold. That is, classic rock up to the mid-80s, after that everything is a void to him. He knows nothing of the late 80s amd 90s, and then knows only CHR and some alt from 00 forward. I find this timeline fascinating. It is like he must have learned classic rock in his dad's car and garage, but Dad had no use for any of that 90s grunge scene, so junior was never exposed, or at least not until that scene had already played itself out.

Also, my current mail carrier is a white Millenial, probably same age, and he is tatted up head to toe. He totally looks like an alt-rock guy, but he comes every day blasting the classic rock. I asked him about it one day and he said that is his music. All right, blast that "Hotel California" all the way down the street - that is what he did yesterday.
 
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That reminded me of the discussion two years ago about Billie Eilish. Will alternative music fans accept music from Taylor Swift, or have they already formed their opinions about her as a pop star who represents music they don't like. And where does that put her in terms of radio? Taylor's record label released a couple songs to country radio to see if she could recreate her past success, and they seem to have fallen on mostly deaf ears. Can she float among genres and achieve the same success?
Taylor did get into the top 10 on AAA for "exile", which had Bon Iver as a co-singer. She got a bit further on Mediabase than Billboard due to MB's AAA panel being more "commercial" than Billboard's. However she is not going to get into Alternative unless she evolves into something resembling Midwestern/Southern alt-rock - think The Black Keys, Cage The Elephant, Kings of Leon, etc. She is one of the biggest hitmakers in pop music history - the antithesis of Alternative. The format will not take her unless she makes a concerted effort to meet Alt at its level - and trying to pull a baroque pop thing like Panic! At The Disco's smash "High Hopes" won't make Alt budge either I think.
That is very interesting. I tried RTM for radio use long ago, but the stratification limitations meant it was OK for the big picture but not for a very specific listening group. I have not re-evaluated lately, so could you tell me how much personal information they have asked you for?

We live in a first impressions world, so image may be more important than content. I think you are giving this a good analysis perspective by bringing this up.
RTM asked me for my age, gender, and what city and state I live in (postal code as well). So it doesn't break things down by a racial angle but it does break things down by age, gender, and presumably location.

I know how well Willow went over when she tried - she blanked on Alternative last week. Bleachers, The Neighbourhood, and Saint Motel were the artists going for adds against her and they all got a noticeable amount of adds (especially Bleachers). At the same time MGK has basically cleared the Alt panel with "love race" so it's only a matter of time before he's contending for a #1 - and it's not a racial angle either as KennyHoopla has his own pop-punk banger "Hollywood Sucks" taking off like a rocket (in the wake of Estella having a decent amount of success). I have to wonder if there's a limit to how much of a celebrity one can be before Alternative will turn away - even if they make a song that is within Alternative's wheelhouse.
 
Taylor did get into the top 10 on AAA for "exile", which had Bon Iver as a co-singer. She got a bit further on Mediabase than Billboard due to MB's AAA panel being more "commercial" than Billboard's. However she is not going to get into Alternative unless she evolves into something resembling Midwestern/Southern alt-rock - think The Black Keys, Cage The Elephant, Kings of Leon, etc. She is one of the biggest hitmakers in pop music history - the antithesis of Alternative. The format will not take her unless she makes a concerted effort to meet Alt at its level - and trying to pull a baroque pop thing like Panic! At The Disco's smash "High Hopes" won't make Alt budge either I think.

RTM asked me for my age, gender, and what city and state I live in (postal code as well). So it doesn't break things down by a racial angle but it does break things down by age, gender, and presumably location.

I know how well Willow went over when she tried - she blanked on Alternative last week. Bleachers, The Neighbourhood, and Saint Motel were the artists going for adds against her and they all got a noticeable amount of adds (especially Bleachers). At the same time MGK has basically cleared the Alt panel with "love race" so it's only a matter of time before he's contending for a #1 - and it's not a racial angle either as KennyHoopla has his own pop-punk banger "Hollywood Sucks" taking off like a rocket (in the wake of Estella having a decent amount of success). I have to wonder if there's a limit to how much of a celebrity one can be before Alternative will turn away - even if they make a song that is within Alternative's wheelhouse.
Wnyl played Olivia Rodrigo last week with pop punk songs from her album called "brutal" (which by extension played in the rest of audacy alternatives at night).
 
The "press" does not write about radio much any more. Alt rock music is at a low point in most of the country, so any changes in a morning show in a market with 20 higher rated stations and where close to 70% of the population is ethnic or first generation will go totally unnoticed.
You don't remember the Variety story "It's the End of KROQ as we know it" last year? Not only did it trend nationally on social media, but it helped cement the conventional wisdom that KROQ is dead.
It was already dead musically, losing to Amp everywhere but mornings. And with Kevin alone, they lost the better sales demo audience and began losing in mornings too. They needed to wipe the slate clean and recreate the station because it was d-e-a-d.
Don't forget, it wasn't just Kevin alone. The entire team minus Bean was still there. For listeners, already used to Bean being there part time from another city, it wasn't that big of a change. Bean leaving wasn't a shock to the system to listeners. It sounded like the same exact show, except minus Bean's voice. But if you're going to blow it up, blow it up. Don't put the B team in mornings then. Stryker & Klein were nothing new to KROQ listeners, they were an ok afternoon team shoved into mornings to clean up Entercom's mess. And surprise, didn't succeed.
I have done a number of format changes where there were loud listener complaints. But we had already decided that we could not survive, ever, on the old format or blend. So we ignored the comments and let them die down.
Was this recent? Post- 2011 in the age of social media? I'm guessing not. You're speaking from experience of a marketplace and world that doesn't exist anymore.
With the loss of a morning win over Amp and horrible ratings the rest of the day, there was nothing worth rescuing. They could not get on any buy with those numbers. So it was better to get it over with, dismiss the small number of traditional listeners and start over.
Then burn it down. Don't half ass it. This is a weaksauce KROQ, where they didn't reinvent the station, they just.. well, I don't know what this is. If you're going to get rid of the final element that attracted listeners, then why even keep KROQ alive?
 
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If you're going to get rid of the final element that attracted listeners, then why even keep KROQ alive?

You keep talking about something that happened over a year ago. You're ignoring everything that happened afterwards. In September of last year, the company basically blew up ALL of their alternative stations, replacing talent and changing music. I'd say all of that was more consequential than the one story you're obsessed with:


They're not keeping "KROQ alive." The old station went away a long time ago. They made substantial changes in talent, music, and presentation. As I said when the Variety story was done, the key words to their headline is "As We Know It." That's correct. This is not the same station. You want them to change the call letters? Would that make it better for you? The fact is they're not going back to the past because the past is over.
 
I don't understand, are you saying Entercom/Audacy handled this correctly or flawlessly? I stand by the fact that they could have handled the KROQ transition better, starting with easing out the morning show rather than pissing off the 12 listeners they had left. And they wouldn't be in quite the impossible position they're in now. Perhaps the straits would still be dire, but not *as* dire. That's it. But fine, maybe I'm wrong, they did a great job in making their listeners happy and KROQ is now on its way to tremendous success again. And I promise I am done beating a dead horse here. My apologies, I just get passionate about these things.
 
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I don't understand, are you saying Entercom/Audacy handled this correctly or flawlessly? I stand by the fact that they could have handled the KROQ transition better, starting with easing out the morning show rather than pissing off the 12 listeners they had left.
Entercom was faced with a morning two-person team that was losing half of that team. They did not know, and could not know, if one of them could carry the audience alone. But they did know that the station was losing to Amp from 10 AM onward, so they bet on the remaining team member. It did not work, and they saw it instantly; much of the heritage audience left.

So they were left with a failing music format and the loss of the morning team with no replacement. It was time to do a full review and housecleaning, as they had nothing to lose.
And they wouldn't be in quite the impossible position they're in now. Perhaps the straits would still be dire, but not *as* dire. That's it. But fine, maybe I'm wrong, they did a great job in making their listeners happy and KROQ is now on its way to tremendous success again. And I promise I am done beating a dead horse here. My apologies, I just get passionate about these things.
The whole station was surviving based on AM Drive. They lost half the team, the remaining half could not hold audience. The music dayparts had been losing for several years. They tried to give the remaining partner from the show a chance, and it did not work. With no heritage elements left except a name-that-nobody-listened-to-any-more, they decided to redo the whole approach; the few existing listeners could not sustain the station so they did not take them into consideration.

A high percentage of format changes do not work. No matter how much research is done, in a crowded market and with an audience that has fragmented music tastes and so many streaming alternatives (word used on purpose), it may take a while to find the right formula. Or, given the taste polarizations in Alt music, they may find that they have to abandon the format altogether due; add in the growing ethnic and foreign born percentage of LA population, the Alt base is shrinking every day that goes by!
 
You don't remember the Variety story "It's the End of KROQ as we know it" last year? Not only did it trend nationally on social media, but it helped cement the conventional wisdom that KROQ is dead.
Big A already answered this very well.
Don't forget, it wasn't just Kevin alone. The entire team minus Bean was still there. For listeners, already used to Bean being there part time from another city, it wasn't that big of a change. Bean leaving wasn't a shock to the system to listeners. It sounded like the same exact show, except minus Bean's voice. But if you're going to blow it up, blow it up. Don't put the B team in mornings then. Stryker & Klein were nothing new to KROQ listeners, they were an ok afternoon team shoved into mornings to clean up Entercom's mess. And surprise, didn't succeed.
Outside of Kevin & Bean, the music dayparts had long been losing rather badly to Amp. There was nothing to preserve. And the morning show without Bean dropped like a rock in ratings. The existing listeners, who were not enough anyway, left; they liked the team but not the solo act.
Then burn it down. Don't half ass it. This is a weaksauce KROQ, where they didn't reinvent the station, they just.. well, I don't know what this is. If you're going to get rid of the final element that attracted listeners, then why even keep KROQ alive?
There was no "final element" left. Kevin without Bean was a no-show in Nielsen. The music dayparts were long-time losing hours. The name represented a feel, mood, city and music taste that is gone or fragmented beyond rescue.
 
And now Stryker announces he's leaving KROQ:


After more than 22 years at KROQ, I can proudly say with infinite gratitude that I will be leaving my full time position and stepping away from Stryker and Klein.
 
Again I say what will kroq do. Wow. Kroq will always gonna play second fiddle to alt 98.7 it looks like. Now the speculation begins...Is this his choice or kroq's? I bet his choice
 
He's very wise to be leaving that dumpster fire on his own terms! I wish him well. Would love to hear him on Sirius XM.
 
I wonder what that means for the rest of the markets carrying Stryker and klyne like kc?

They get the Kevin Klein show. Or whatever it becomes.

AUDACY SVP/Alternative Programming MIKE KAPLAN said, "Big shoes to fill. For years, STRYKER’s had an intimate connection with the SOCAL community delivering passionate and interactive content for our fans. We all thank him immensely for his invaluable contributions to KROQ. We’ll be sharing details of his next chapter with AUDACY in the near future.

"Meantime the search for a new co-host to partner with KLEIN, ALLY and OMAR is on. STRYKER will also be remaining in his current role until his replacement is discovered."
 
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