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What is that on 1410?

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4CX1000A

I got a call the other day from Brockton reporting that a Haitian pirate is interfering with WMSX on 1410. This evening I punched up 1410 in Natick, and found the interfering station easily audible there; it's running a piece of rhythmic Latin instrumental music and a brief announcement in French, over and over in a loop. I don't think it's a pirate, though; it might be Canadian. I couldn't understand much of what it said, but caught the frequency and the word Quebec.

Needless to say, there's no trace of WMSX's 39 watts in Natick.
 
As reported in NERW on Monday (with no password required this week!)...

And there’s late word Sunday night, via Montreal’s Sheldon Harvey, that Haitian-oriented CJWI (1610 Montreal) is now testing its new facility down the dial at 1410. The 1410 frequency in Montreal was last occupied by multicultural CFMB before its 1997 move down the dial to 1280; while the old CFMB 1410 array is long gone, the new CJWI 1410 will use 10,000 watts from the towers of CJMS (1040 St.-Constant) south of Montreal.
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Is WMSX back on the air? I thought it was still silent pending a site move.
 
I think 1410 is in or around Montreal. As for hearing it, I have not yet heard WMSX since last year and I live in Middleborough. Hope this helps!
 
4CX1000A said:
...I punched up 1410 in Natick, and found the interfering station easily audible there... Needless to say, there's no trace of WMSX's 39 watts in Natick.
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Try pulling in the station at the "Twinkie Factory" there. ;D
 
jlehmann said:
WMSX has been off the air since last August, but there was a post on the inbrockton forums that it is starting to test again. As far as I can see nothing has been filed with the FCC for a new transmitter location, so not sure if there's any truth to it. The old towers are still standing, but supposedly they are coming down eventually.

http://www.inbrockton.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11672&PN=1
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They are on the air, obviously on reduced power. Only one of the towers is still standing. They are running "Real Jazz" for the time being. Where they are is a good question. It seems to be on the west side of Brockton, probably with a dipole with a North/South pattern protecting WPOP in Hartford. So, both Brockton stations are on the air. However, they still have to file with the Commission to change their status to "operational", not "silent". I think WMSX is running about 250 watts, max.
 
Peter Q. George (K1XRB) said:
They are on the air, obviously on reduced power. Only one of the towers is still standing. They are running "Real Jazz" for the time being.
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Is that a network or satellite feed? The only "Real Jazz" network that I can find online is a Sirius/XM satellite radio channel. If that's what it is, I don't think Sirius/XM would appreciate them airing one of their paid subscription channels for people to hear for free.

Or, are they programming their own "real jazz" format, or is it some other jazz feed? I can't hear the station here in Somerville at all. (I used to get it faintly back when it was on full power).
 
I have it on very good authority that 1410 WMSX
(I was an employee there, back in the early 1980's, when it was WOKW)
is in the process of changing their city of license, coming closer to Boston...
 
WLYNgm said:
I have it on very good authority that 1410 WMSX
(I was an employee there, back in the early 1980's, when it was WOKW)
is in the process of changing their city of license, coming closer to Boston...
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It couldn't be all that much closer with second-adjacent 1430 WKOX Everett. Don't know if first-adjacent 1400 WLLH Lowell is any factor. I'd guess it would still have to be well south of Route 128.
 
WLYNgm said:
I have it on very good authority that 1410 WMSX
(I was an employee there, back in the early 1980's, when it was WOKW)
is in the process of changing their city of license, coming closer to Boston...
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How close to Boston can they go? Given all of the salt water, it would not be too difficult to accidentally create prohibited overlap (5 mV/m) with Everett-licensed 1430 (5 kW-D ND-D). Diplex with WNTN, maybe? The WNTN site might be far enough inland to allow reasonable power (1 kW?) without the salt water becoming an issue. Could they cover Waltham with 5 mV/m if they ran 1 kW-D from the WNTN site? Just how much power might be permitted?
 
Can't do... using NTN's tower... The WKOX 2.5 mv/m contour goes west, past the WNTN tower. And if WMSX were at NTN, it's 25 mv/m would extent east to Watrown, way too close, also. (MSX's 25.0 cannot touch WKOX's 2.5 )

WLLH site, would also, for similar reasons, would not work either. It's 0.25 cannot touch MSX's 0.5.

There's also the possiblity of a freq-change.... 1380 nope... Woonsocket... 1390 nope...Plymouth. 1400...nope... Lowell 1420/1440....nope...too close to Medford..

I say Milton or Randolph on 1410, or waiting for "major change" window to open by the FCC.
 
In September they filed a STA for 250 watts daytime, 39 watts nighttime to a "long wire" antenna. Apparently the attachments explaining *where* this antenna is were filed on paper & thus can't be pulled up on the FCC website. The STA would have expired nine days ago, except they got it extended.

All the paperwork says they have identified a new site. But it doesn't say where, and they have NOT yet filed for a permit to move.
 
JIBGUY said:
WLLH site, would also, for similar reasons, would not work either. It's 0.25 cannot touch MSX's 0.5.
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WRONG! That was the old rule. Must have been changed AT LEAST a decade ago. Current second-adjacent rule is no overlap of 5 mV/m contours. That's how come we have WCRN and WEEI 20 kHz apart and both running 50 kW-U DA-2. Yeah WEEI protects to the west day and night but WCRN pushes to the east at night and to the northeast by day. The two sites are only 34 miles apart. And more to the point, that's how we are about to have 1570 in Beverly (don't remember this week's call letters) and WNTN 20-kHz apart and less than 25 miles apart, with lots of salt water in the path. One will run 50 kW-D ND-D and the other runs 10 kW-D ND-D.

I think the deal breaker on moving WMSX to the WNTN site is much more likely to be WPOP. But I believe that Rumford Ave is further from Hartford than Brockton is. So the question is how much power 1410 could have without overlapping its 25 microvolt/meter contour with WPOP's 0.5. If, as Peter George speculated, WMSX is running 250W ND-D under STA from its old site, WMSX could most likely get 250W equivalent from Rumford Ave. If so, what community, if any, would fall within WMSX's 5 mV/m contour. Would WMSX have to become Watertown's third AM (after WRCA and WAZN)?
 
WLYNgm said:
It is not MUCH closer to Boston. I am not at liberty to
elaborate as to where...
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The WDIS site??? Its distance from Boston (using WKOX 1430 as a proxy) is almost identical to that of the WMSX site. And if the WDIS towers are still standing, they are more-or-less in the right position to protect WPOP. OTOH, contrary to what I had thought, WDIS is about 12 miles closer to WPOP than WDIS is.
 
DanStrassberg said:
WLYNgm said:
It is not MUCH closer to Boston. I am not at liberty to elaborate as to where...
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The WDIS site??? Its distance from Boston (using WKOX 1430 as a proxy) is almost identical to that of the WMSX site. And if the WDIS towers are still standing, they are more-or-less in the right position to protect WPOP...
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They may surprise us and build a new site rather than use another existing stations site. Not much closer... Avon? Stoughton? Abington?
 
DanStrassberg said:
JIBGUY said:
WLLH site, would also, for similar reasons, would not work either. It's 0.25 cannot touch MSX's 0.5.
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WRONG! That was the old rule. Must have been changed AT LEAST a decade ago. Current second-adjacent rule is no overlap of 5 mV/m contours. That's how come we have WCRN and WEEI 20 kHz apart and both running 50 kW-U DA-2. Yeah WEEI protects to the west day and night but WCRN pushes to the east at night and to the northeast by day. The two sites are only 34 miles apart. And more to the point, that's how we are about to have 1570 in Beverly (don't remember this week's call letters) and WNTN 20-kHz apart and less than 25 miles apart, with lots of salt water in the path. One will run 50 kW-D ND-D and the other runs 10 kW-D ND-D.

I think the deal breaker on moving WMSX to the WNTN site is much more likely to be WPOP. But I believe that Rumford Ave is further from Hartford than Brockton is. So the question is how much power 1410 could have without overlapping its 25 microvolt/meter contour with WPOP's 0.5. If, as Peter George speculated, WMSX is running 250W ND-D under STA from its old site, WMSX could most likely get 250W equivalent from Rumford Ave. If so, what community, if any, would fall within WMSX's 5 mV/m contour. Would WMSX have to become Watertown's third AM (after WRCA and WAZN)?
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I can only find the rule about what JIBGUY says. This was one of the latest editions of 47CFR. Where can I find the new contour lists?
 
It seems that they're most likely not transmitting from their previous location right now. A friend of mine observed that the signal is stronger on the north side of Brockton and in Avon than near the old site on the SW side of town near the fairgrounds. I guess it's going to have to be hunted down like a pirate since the location does not appear in the STA.
 
Eli Polonsky said:
They may surprise us and build a new site rather than use another existing stations site. Not much closer... Avon? Stoughton? Abington?
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It would be financial suicide to build a new conventional site, considering land values in the area.
 
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