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What is the dance demo?

mannyworks00 said:
"Our Egos are probably the one sole thing that regresses Dance music because we REFUSE to work together."

".....and give you a friendly warning that everyone who was ever even perceived as to be self-promoting here has been grilled .. even me..actually there's been about one positive thing said about me here since I joined....but thats ok because im on a mission and I hope you are too...self motivation is the key. WELCOME to the dance board! I look forward to hearing your thoughts and ideas!
just an FYI -- a lot of dance labels have ears on this board. Just something to keep in mind."

I separated the two strong points of this thread.

On the DJ Expo thread it was discussed about "egos" and how one person imparticular wanted to be the first person to get EVERYTHING or else he wouldn't spin it. Unfortunately, you are going to have those negative "egos" and yeah they hinder and hold back. But then there are positive "egos". It's by those who have earned it based on the respect of their peers and actually getting the job done, with their own personal needs in the back burner for the sake of the bigger picture. In that sense, it's okay (actually may be considered "survivalist") to have an ego...as long as you (meaning anyone) are devoted to the music instead of ones own "self-interest".

And actually a lot of us are on a mission. :) We may be taking different routes to get there but as long as we all get there together, that's what counts! As they say, united we stand, divided we fall.
 
One thing I have learned in my years of Radio: Being first on a track is not always best! On Hot 96, we do try to break new music as much as possible, but sometimes we get a week or two behind some of the release dates. I would rather be a little late to the party on a track that is performing well in the clubs, than taking too big of a chance on something that is "iffy."

I know some are gonna blast for that last statement, but it is true in every format. Format leaders are usually not first on tracks or early adds (of course there are a lot more factors involved as well..)

It's not that I am against new music, it's just that not all listeners to dance music are DJ's. When I DJ'ed in clubs, every DJ was all about getting the new music, hence why White labels were such a big deal. Stay with me here...One complaint that has plagued dance music for years, is that it seems like its a bunch of faceless artist that no one can keep track of. While there are many artists that change their name with each release (almost more than they change socks,) there are a few that remain constant. If 80% of my playlist was new music, I would have close to 300 songs each month with entirely new artist from the last month that every listener would have to build familiarity with. But by slowly bleeding in new music with established acts like Cascada, Natasha Bedingfield and such, it becomes easier for listeners to intake the new artists/music. I know this rambling probably doesn't make a bit of sense, but what I see is that when stations try to out do each other by be first on a new track, it can alienate or turn off some of your P2 and up listeners.

I agree that Ego's can hurt a format. I didn't want to add the Jonas Brothers (god I hate them..) but the Jason Nevins remix tested well, and I sucked up. Every week, there are dozens of tracks that come accross my desk, but usually I only have between 2-4 add slots. Sometimes, there is a record I hear or get that is one of those,"Awwwe Hell yeah!" Those are ease ones. Other times, there will be a track I have sat on, but I see it doing well on other stations, or in the clubs, or in music tests, but I am not such a fan of, but I suck it up and add it, because it's not about what I like.

I am not saying I don't have an Ego as well, there are certain songs I can't stand, that I will banish to dayparting just so they won't track high on the spin reports, but if the response is too good, I have to relent.

Here's a simple test you can perform to see how in check is your ego. Play a dance song for some one who is not a fan of dance music (perhaps someone who is a huge fan of Hip hop.) Gauge your reaction when they describe the track you play as "That Techno stuff.."

How did you reply back?
A) "Yes its techno, but I think you might enjoy it if you give it a chance.."
B) "Hey dipsh*t, it's not Techno, it's freakin' (House/trance/breaks) music, get it right you clueless bastard!!"
c) Your head exploded because you just couldn't understand how they can't enjoy it as much as you.

did you say B? Most on this board would (including myself..)

Well, I think I have rambled on enough, back to the bottle.

:)
 
Hot96portland said:
One thing I have learned in my years of Radio: Being first on a track is not always best! On Hot 96, we do try to break new music as much as possible, but sometimes we get a week or two behind some of the release dates. I would rather be a little late to the party on a track that is performing well in the clubs, than taking too big of a chance on something that is "iffy."

I just wanted to chime in and say that I completely agree with this philosophy. I was thinking this while reading through the thread at this point and you took the words right out of my mouth. Some people just don't get this. It's not about being the first on a record, it's about playing the RIGHT records for your audience.

What you don't play can't hurt you.
 
Hi Dom,

Welcome to the party. I'm sure you'll enjoy many of the topics at hand here and be educated and entertained at times as well.

I agree to that everyone has an ego to a certain extent -- I believe it stems from the passion that everyone feels for what they are doing. Whether it is (on this board specifically) radio programming, mixshows, club DJing or just a love of the music. I think it's a good thing! Passion can sometimes lead to blindness and unwillingness to listen to other people's philosophy and point of views. People are never always going to agree -- and that makes for excellent debates, and that's healthy. I personally do not believe any of the regular posters on this board have ego problems, they just have very strong feelings on what they believe in. The problems come into play when people start taking things personally which tends to happen a lot around here.

Don't get me wrong, there's always going to be someone that says the wrong thing or is completely inappropriate (the gentlemen who expressed that he wanted music before anyone else comes to mind). While that was very egotistical comment and I also found it inappropriate, perhaps he just didn't know better or uneducated about the world we now live in and the state of the industry. Some people live in a bubble and only know what they've been exposed to as a result of their surroundings. Hopefully one day the gentlemen in question will all the sudden get it after educating himself and say, "Ooops, I was wrong." You can only hope for the best right?

That's what the point is for me. We all have our egos and sometimes we can all be a bit snotty, but what stands the out the class acts from those who are frowned upon is those who can admit that they were wrong and maybe learn a thing or two.

I hope that makes sense... Ok it's time for me to step off my Peace & Love soap box.

Thanks for playing.


capprecords said:
Hi Manny,

You are absolutely correct !
I actually just had a luncheon meeting at KNGY yesterday and there's lots of changes going on (besides Don Parker).
Everyone is really "All Shook Up" in the industry at the moment.

The biggest problem we are finding is that most stations are playing a variety of music that doesn't necessarily reflect nor have a support unity with what is happening in our market (i.e. iTunes consumer purchases in dance, trends, etc.).

And you are right- stations should support the US label releases (not just imports) and also not just because the labels are sponsoring the stations (which we all know is payola) but more so because the consumers are voting with their own dollars on iTunes and therefore are proving their worth.

For example, we have had the top 10 dance album on iTunes for 4 months straight and it remains strong at the #5-10 position daily. Even several of our compilation's songs have moved over to the iTunes "Top 5" singles sales charts !

No matter what type of dance promotion you do (radio, club, mobile, etc.), we do recognize & reach out to all types of DJs, Radio, Internet, College, and all age groups. And what we find that will sustain the dance music industry into the future are music consumers who are today in their teens and early 20s.

What I admire about C89 & Fusion is that they just play dance hits in all sub-genres. Such as our original "Fallin Apart" by Sun & Diego feat. Rachel Hiew (which is at #2 on Fusions playlist this week) to C89 playing "Out Of Time" by Rikah (another original) or even "Hound Dog 2008" by our King Junior (which of course is a brilliant dance cover). Whether they are electro commercial house mixes or Hands-Up Techno (ala Cascada style) or even cutting edge Jumpstyle.

It doesn't matter. What matters is that the station PD's support and play strong quality dance productions. This is what keeps consumers from changing the dial and what has proven to work time & again.

8)

Dom
 
Hot96portland said:
One thing I have learned in my years of Radio: Being first on a track is not always best! On Hot 96, we do try to break new music as much as possible, but sometimes we get a week or two behind some of the release dates. I would rather be a little late to the party on a track that is performing well in the clubs, than taking too big of a chance on something that is "iffy."

We're often out in front with songs and I'm comfortable with that. We do enough research of each song before we add it. I don't go to the clubs and don't care how a song is performing in a club. I don't program clubio. I program radio. Mass appeal dance music. Most clubbers go to clubs to alter their natural state and let loose. That isn't always the same audience of radio. You could all fit the people that go to clubs weekly in a large stadium. You'd need a state the size of Texas to fit all the people that listen to radio each week.

I love it when clubs play the songs we play. That is always helpful. We choose to not limit our audience size by targeting the clubbers only.
 
Plus the bigger internet stations, like Energy, are playing to a world-wide stage so they will always need to be on the cutting edge musically. Also they can take more of what others would perceive as a risk by playing records that aren't known in the states yet but are major world wide hits.

The FM's are limited to the audience that their signal can hit so they will be playing the records that work in their respective markets.

jp
 
"One thing I have learned in my years of Radio: Being first on a track is not always best! On Hot 96, we do try to break new music as much as possible, but sometimes we get a week or two behind some of the release dates. I would rather be a little late to the party on a track that is performing well in the clubs, than taking too big of a chance on something that is "iffy."

I agree, why add a bunch of "fluff" and then burn it out in a week. Then you have a problem during those "dance-music-dry-spells" that happens every couple months.
 
mannyworks00 said:
why add a bunch of "fluff" and then burn it out in a week. Then you have a problem during those "dance-music-dry-spells" that happens every couple months.

I know what you mean. I see fluff all over other playlists. Never a good thing. But one persons fluff is another persons must have. That's what is great about our format. There's about 100 new songs a week. 95+ are fluff. Which 95+ is subjective. And that's why stations have their own flavor. That's one thing I've learned in my 26 years in radio.
 
Yes there is a lot of fluff -- lets get rid of it. No, but to each their own Hot96 (sorry don't know your name) - you do what works for you and I agree with you. I don't think it's important to add a song first. I look for songs with what I call "Staying-power" but that probably wouldn't work for certain stations who constantly add songs into high rotation. The person who stated that he wouldn't play records if he did not receive them first is just hard-headed and naive..that's just unfair to his listeners and he's hurting himself. Does anyone knows who it is? I want to know.



theedger said:
mannyworks00 said:
why add a bunch of "fluff" and then burn it out in a week. Then you have a problem during those "dance-music-dry-spells" that happens every couple months.

I know what you mean. I see fluff all over other playlists. Never a good thing. But one persons fluff is another persons must have. That's what is great about our format. There's about 100 new songs a week. 95+ are fluff. Which 95+ is subjective. And that's why stations have their own flavor. That's one thing I've learned in my 26 years in radio.
 
Ok Guys.. For the record and to clear the air of all the rumors going around.

This following e-mail copy below was sent out this morning on my behalf to David Waxman and hundreds of other friends that were spammed by Marc Mysterio.

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Hi David, (Friends)

Please accept my sincerest apologies for this unnecessary message & any further e-mails from Marc Albert (aka Marc Mysterio).

We had to drop him from our label recently (after his single was signed with us for under 2 weeks) due to his threatening abrasive e-mails & unwarranted unprofessional actions he has chosen to take with us & many of our friends in our industry. (Which at the time we were unaware of)

Unfortunately, now we are faced with these threats from Marc. Simply put, because we are unwilling to tolerate his behavior anymore.

Should anyone have any questions or further concerns please do not hesitate to contact me.


Hope you are enjoying your weekend and all the very best from San Francisco.


Best Regards,


Dom

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Dominique C. TOULON
CEO

CAPP RECORDS USA, a division of CAPP COMPANY
"Your Licensing Source Of Today's & Tomorrow's Hits"
P.O. Box 150871 San Rafael, Ca. 94915-0871
Tel (415) 457-8617 / Fax (415) 453-6990
[email protected]

LABEL: www.capprecords.com
MYSPACE: http://www.myspace.com/capprecords


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-----Original Message-----
From: David Waxman [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 8:03 PM
To: MARC ALBERT; [email protected]
Subject: Re: CAPP RECORDS & "LET LOOSE



This obviously has nothing to do with Ultra Records so please remove me from your list.





David Waxman

Ultra Records

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Marc,

We are confirming receipt of your e-mail below and have decided to release you from our contractual agreement.

The $2,500 advance we gave you is not necessary to return to us and will be treated as our parting settlement in good terms to you.

However, this will be considered a loss unfortunately on our side.

Otherwise, we wish you the very best and hope you can find the right label partner in the US.


Best Regards,

Dom

___________________

Dominique C. TOULON
CEO

CAPP RECORDS USA, a division of CAPP COMPANY
"Your Licensing Source Of Today's & Tomorrow's Hits"
P.O. Box 150871 San Rafael, Ca. 94915-0871
Tel (415) 457-8617 / Fax (415) 453-6990
[email protected]

LABEL: www.capprecords.com
MYSPACE: http://www.myspace.com/capprecords
 
Dom....all I can say is wow :eek:

There were issues with this person a couple of months ago on this board. I was "naive" enough to hear him out (thanks to folks in here that straightened me out before it went any further).

As they say, sometimes your worst enemy can be staring at you in the mirror. :-\
 
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