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What the Hal?

So, for those who actually listened this morning to the addition of Brian Estridge to the WBAP Morning News, what were your thoughts? I don't personally see there being enough time for both Hal Jay and Estridge, but maybe I'm wrong. I know a lot of you think Hal's on his way out the door - is Estridge the new guy waiting to fill his shoes? Or is there something else going on? (And I know Estridge has been at ESPN for a long time - I honestly have never listened to him, so I have no preconceived notions).

I ask just as someone curious. An hour of my morning is spent listening to Hal Jay and crew while commuting to work; I honestly don't think I'll listen if Hal's gone. (I flip over to KRLD any time Hal is enjoying vacation). Amy Chodroff, Steve Lamb and Laura and Monty are all excellent at their jobs, but without Hal, I just don't enjoy the show as much. I've listened to Hal Jay since I was a kid (back when Dick Siegel and he were doing AMs and PMs over there). It'd be hard to imagine 'BAP without him, but I'm sure the same has been said about any number of legendary folks (Ron Chapman) who've retired or been shown the door at their respective stations.
 
At one point Hal said "I will still be here awhile".

I just wonder what the definition of "awhile" is in this situation.

I have listened to Hal every morning since he came on the station way back when...late'70s....early '80s???.

I doubt I will listen when he goes. It really hasn't been the same since the "fun guys" were done away with anyway.

Never heard of this Brian guy. When he called Monty "brother" when he went to traffic....I just groaned. ::)
 
Travis1960 said:
At one point Hal said "I will still be here awhile".

I just wonder what the definition of "awhile" is in this situation.

I have listened to Hal every morning since he came on the station way back when...late'70s....early '80s???.

I doubt I will listen when he goes. It really hasn't been the same since the "fun guys" were done away with anyway.

Never heard of this Brian guy. When he called Monty "brother" when he went to traffic....I just groaned. ::)

Who is Brian Estridge?

Did I spell his name right?

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams
 
Estridge has been the play-by-play voice of TCU football and basketball for the past decade (won a couple AP sports broadcaster awards during that time), and has bounced around a few shows at ESPN 103.3. He's a good guy.
 
Out goes the Big money= Hal Jay, In comes the cheap talent= Brian Estridge. ::)
 
I have been a listener of Hal's since I moved to Texas back in 1992. The bits were the highlights of the morning, my favorite being Jackie Stewart. I won't listen to WBAP anymore if and when Hal's gone.
 
Since I sleep in these days (thanks, Citadel ::) ) I'm wondering what you all heard is Brian's function? Since he's a sports guy, you'd think that Lamb would be the one eventually replaced. If the guy's trying to be generic-Mr.-Funnyman, then the high-beams would shine more on Hal. I do find it a little strange that the Fun Guys (old nickname for the long-lost characters) are discontinued, some of Hal's banter is replaced by news and features, Monty's already-brief chatter is curtailed, Laura is duct-taped shut, but yet a new "personality" is added to the lineup? Where does Mr. Estridge get any "face time" in that kind of mix, and just how exactly is his on-air time justified? And "brother" to Monty? Maybe that's a harkening-back to the days of Hal and Dick Siegel, where Dick's often-used response was, "Amen, brother."

(These are questions that I probably know all the answers to, but I'm willing to wait and see if I could possibly be wrong. I really hope that I am.)

Brian has done some fill-in work for Steve Lamb on sports here and there over the last couple of years.

Hal, FYI, has been at WBAP since January, 1981. He toiled away doing BOTH mornings AND afternoons for 13 years, alongside Dick Siegel, and with a few other cast members along the way.
 
Pairings that failed: Dan Rather/Connie Chung.........Harry Heasoner/BarbaraWalters

In the fine tradition here come Hal/Brian. The chemistry is not there. Brian was on his training wheels this morning. It sounded like one lost some spokes. He may have won awards ,be a nice guy,and was the voice of TCU football, but it doesn't mean he is mornings show material or compatiable with Hal. Tyler once again made a mistake, his first was to remove the signature trademarks from Hal's show. Tyler, I believe its time to move up the chain as you have been seeking and leave the programming you once were good at to someone who is.
 
thunderradio said:
Pairings that failed: Dan Rather/Connie Chung.........Harry Heasoner/BarbaraWalters

In the fine tradition here come Hal/Brian. The chemistry is not there. Brian was on his training wheels this morning. It sounded like one lost some spokes. He may have won awards ,be a nice guy,and was the voice of TCU football, but it doesn't mean he is mornings show material or compatiable with Hal. Tyler once again made a mistake, his first was to remove the signature trademarks from Hal's show. Tyler, I believe its time to move up the chain as you have been seeking and leave the programming you once were good at to someone who is.

Out goes Hal. In comes syndication. Amy and Brian stay in as news and sports. Sorry Lambo, love ya but, ya. Then you have your canned traffic casts by the trio. Vuala, just another cheap corporate morning show from 5am til 8am. Then Mark comes in at 8am till 11am.
 
Adding a personality to the mix of an already established morning show is not easy. It is not going to be right the first day, and it may take weeks or months to gel.

I do not know this guy, nor have I spent a whole lot of time listening to WBAP anymore, but I cannot believe the critiques handed out after one day on the air.

As for the speculation that Hal is on his way out, I do not see that one happening unless Hal is ready to go. WBAP still makes a lot of money, and he is a big part of the reason they do. Most importantly, THEY know that.

As for 'the good ol' days', the 'good guys' and reminiscing about the heyday of WBAP as a full service news/sports & music station, I am quite sure most of the current audience really does not care. Cultivating new audience and ratings is Tyler's job. Not making the lurkers on this board (you and me) happy.

We as an industry are now faced with the realization of reinvention. While the bits were entertaining, it does not appear that WBAP has suffered much from clamming certain people up, cutting bits, or outsourcing. From what I have heard they are doing a damn good job with what they have been forced to work with.

I might also add that I am defending WBAP due to my Dad working there for years, or the fact that Hal Jay hired him. Same thing w/ Tyler Cox, who fired him. It's the biz guys.

Give this new morning guy some time. You'd ask for the same if you were wearing the headphones.
 
Holstead - you threw me off!! You actually had sensible thoughts and good ideas about patience on this board....which many times is lost on all of us.

I am with you....2 days in....and everyone here has Hal out the door. Does anyone here have an insight into what management at WBAP is even thinking??? I thought not. So until Hal or Tyler post on here....we should all just chill.

And for all the "good old days" people....should we go back to black and white TV....silent movies.....and Uncle Milty??? Progress is hard sometimes folks....but come along for the ride....it will do us all good....and won't be as bad as you fear I don't think.
 
Teamwork, timing, personality mix......all very tricky! Having been part of a broadcast team for a long time, experience says there is no shortcut. Time is the solution. Hopefully, management will agree. Amateur critics rarely understand.
 
I am not trashing the new guy. Tyler is an exception. He HAD the chops to program, he lost them in the homoginization of broadcasting. Tyler will cut Lamb ,maybe not soon by next summer though. The current audience probably doesn't care because they lost a reason to tune inand have gone elsewhere. Meanwhile the clueless beat of commercial radio keeps drumming along.
 
MikeShannon914 said:
And "brother" to Monty? Maybe that's a harkening-back to the days of Hal and Dick Siegel, where Dick's often-used response was, "Amen, brother."

Maybe "Brother" was something he picked up from Greggo?
 
For me, it has absolutely nothing to do with not giving a new guy a chance. Brian Estridge as a broadcaster is not even part of the equation most on here speak of. It's the "apparent" nudging of a radio legend, Hal Jay, into forced retirement. Josh, you might be barking up the wrong tree as well...had Hal been left alone to do his schtick as he had ALWAYS had the latitude to do (until a few months ago,) and perhaps if Citadel had never bought ABC, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The "obvious" here, as I see it, is that Hal costs too much. It's nothing about ratings, nothing about the listeners, it's ALL about Citadel's ownership trying to protect their value-eroding properties and cutting costs everywhere they can, regardless of what, or who, is affected.

So no, this is not a case of "Hal's lost it, he's no good, he's old, he's _________ (fill in the blank)," because HE HASN'T. The "intended" perception of the situation may be all of those things, however. It's real easy to point the finger at the talent and say that, or to say, "Oh, he wanted to retire," etc, but we all know that won't be the truth when the time comes. Yeah, it saddens me, it pisses me off, it will be a horrible thing to do to a LEGEND. Yeah, you the listener can throw up your hands and act powerless, but those listeners and fans NEED to speak up now, even if it does fall on deaf ears. And if the time does come, well, there are other choices on the dial, on your iPod, on your satellite, etc.

And it's not just Hal. We've seen Ken Barnett treated the same way. Tempie Lindsey, too. And now Mark Watkins, Brad Barton and reportedly John Summers, and the rumors persist about Terry Dorsey. When station/cluster/corporate management scratches its head and asks why its audience has eroded, well, last time I checked, you still have to spend money to make money. Stripping your station of its talent is a great reason for listeners to tune away...and onto other media instead. Perhaps people sought out another media BECAUSE terrestrial radio quit giving them what they wanted. Some idiots out there refuse to see that as a possibility...they think iPods and satellite are the thieves and pulled the first punch. So how did radio survive 20 years ago when people were playing homemade cassettes in their cars? 10 years ago when people were playing homemade CDs in their cars? Radio didn't take a real hit until the Telecom Act came along. What you see now are the long-term ramifications. Listeners DID tune out the cookie-cutter, homogenized crap. And we're supposed to feel sorry for the industry for doing this to ITSELF??

Folks, terrestrial radio has committed suicide in the name of trying to save itself from 13 years of greed. The listener is not to blame.

Food for thought: How many times have you had to train your own replacement? (and how many times did you KNOW in advance that you were?)

Interesting piece in last week's Radio World: "The FCC said in its Report and Order that...the median age of AM listeners is 57 years old." (www.radioworld.com)

Hal is.....56.

As I've suggested many times before...there's a lot of discretionary income in the 54+ age bracket, and if ad agencies are too stupid to capitalize on it, then the ACCOUNT EXECUTIVES AT THE RADIO STATIONS need to be retrained to go after appropriate potential advertisers. If they don't, then yes, you're going to have revenue problems trying to sell Limbaugh and Hannity to advertisers/agencies that aim only at 25-54. You can cry about the "bad economy" all day, but there's still plenty of "stupid" money being blown on pricey vacations, cruises, campers, boats, high-end cars, etc, and much of it's in the hands of 54+ folks who are done raising kids, are done paying for the kids' college, who banked their money and want to enjoy "the finer things in life." I'll take guaranteed 'stupid money' anyday over shot-in-the-dark 25-54 crap that everybody and their dog is clamoring for...and taking a bath over nowadays.
 
Mike just hit it on the head.Its not so much about Brian,its a more of a subtle way to weaken Steve Lamb and ease him out due to his paycheck. Its more of changing Hal's show without Hal having much if any input.I remember years ago when Bob Shomper told Hal his bits were not funny. Hal was upset and told then talk host Chris Jackson about it. Chris Jackson told others who would hear and laughed about it at Hal's expense. In a way its funny, Chris has been long gone tail waggin back to KBOB or whatever station it was in New Mexico. Hal is still here. Thats a testament to talent plus maintaining and building an audience. The vets wanted Tyler back, when Shomper left to go to WLS. He came back but something happened to him at KRLD,and Salem, he lost his chops as a programmer. He demanded quality then,now he settles for quantity. We are now 4 months from Christmas,the season layoffs for Clear Channel and CBS. Will Citadel join this holiday blight Christmas ritual? Mr. Dorsey,Mr. Lewis and Mr. Jay it is time to stock up on your investments, cash,and prepare yourselves to a sad ending to otherwise great careers, You too Mr. Lamb.
God bless you all and God Bles Mark Watkins, Brad Barton, and John Summers. It is "a shame what's happened to radio" It used to be called that.
 
MikeShannon914 said:
As I've suggested many times before...there's a lot of discretionary income in the 54+ age bracket, and if ad agencies are too stupid to capitalize on it, then the ACCOUNT EXECUTIVES AT THE RADIO STATIONS need to be retrained to go after appropriate potential advertisers. If they don't, then yes, you're going to have revenue problems trying to sell Limbaugh and Hannity to advertisers/agencies that aim only at 25-54. You can cry about the "bad economy" all day, but there's still plenty of "stupid" money being blown on pricey vacations, cruises, campers, boats, high-end cars, etc, and much of it's in the hands of 54+ folks who are done raising kids, are done paying for the kids' college, who banked their money and want to enjoy "the finer things in life." I'll take guaranteed 'stupid money' anyday over shot-in-the-dark 25-54 crap that everybody and their dog is clamoring for...and taking a bath over nowadays.

I also have been talking about this. So folk who are over the age of 50 don't buy anything. My old man who does not own a pc or Mac, does not use a computer on his job, does not text message just bought an iPhone. He even has AT&T u-Verse in his home. I don't care what numbers Little1 will bring to the table, folks over 50 still have to buy toothpaste, food, toilet paper and clothes. KHVN and KKDA have an audience that is older, yet they are still on the air. I don't know if they are making money, but they have not cleaned house like other stations. Those formats that are outside of "25-54" have to be a bit more creative to market themselves. First and formost how about hiring sales people who understand the older adults lifestyle.
 
You got it! And I haven't listened to KKDA-AM in a long time, but somehow they used to attract NATIONAL advertisers. It was Crest and Procter and Gamble and major brands, not Joe Bob's Radiant Barrier and The Men's Club. And KKDA has been privately owned by Hyman Childs for the last 40 years. Childs was in radio sales and radio sales management (KBOX-AM, for one) before he owned stations, so maybe some of that old school "magic" still works these days. If some folks would quit wasting time trying to reinvent the wheel, and take a cue from those who already walked the walk, well, just maybe the industry wouldn't be in such pathetic shape today.
 
Salem Jedi and Mike are corect on this one. Over 50 doesn't mean you don't spend as much. In fact you actually spend more fopr a house, a car, vacations,luxury items,your income is generally more than what you had when you were 25-35. The problem also is ,most of your ad agency guys are ...wait for it..22-40 years of age, thus they think along the lines of their own demo. Thus they feel everyone thinks, and shops along with them. So much for thinking out of the box, the lid is shut and the box is in the dumpster. Who do you think gives a majority of the kids 12-28 the moeny to buy that ipod, shoes, bling? Surethey work ,but the pricey items they buy is not with what they earn its what they bummed. Who do you think buys their clothes, and video games as well? Yeah they do to a very limited degree, the big source of finance..PARENTS. How old would parents probably be? About 40+ can't tel lthat cool account exec or that ad guy after all they have played with the grafts, skewed the trends, and schmmoze a client. They only exist in their world ,that is rapidly falling out of orbit.
 
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