What's going on in Lufkin/Nacogdoches?

[musiclvr101]

KJCS was billing strong before moving in with Yates.

Billing was good with Vance even though ratings were low.

Yates billed only a fraction of what Vance billed.

It was a mix of the economy and Yates inability to pay KJ’s bills that drove it into the ground, not Bill.

Bill Vance is obviously the only one responsible for "driving KJ into the ground"! His decision to LMA a radio station, where as you stated "billing was good" and "KJCS was billing strong", was what caused KJ to go under. If, in fact, KJ was doing so well financially under Bill Vance, then there would be no need to seek a LMA. Any reasonable business person would consider your contention to be utter nonsense.

If -- as you say -- KJ was billing strong under Vance before moving in with Yates, why did he turn it over to Yates under that LMA?

I was wondering the same thing! Bill Vance made a very stupid decision, apparently not his first!

If Bill Vance is the least bit intelligent then he will be able to get KJCS back on the air by December. From what I have read on this board however, he will continue to be a complete failure at radio and business!

 

[Outlaw]

Why did Vance lease a strong earning station to Yates? That is unknown. I'm sure he had his reasons, he is a smart man. There are also other problems with KJCS and the Vance family bumping heads and parting ways that may have contributed to his decision. Also Lufkin/Nac is a rough market compared to others. Who knows?

There are 4 obstacles in the way of Yates buying KJCS...
1. Bill & Stephen are very angry at each other and feel each owes the other money. Getting negotiations going will be hard.
2. Yates is broke. He is also over extended from barrowing from anyone he could for operating capital.
3. Assuming he can get a second mortgage on his house, he is already under contract to buy KZXL in October.
4. While she grabs his nads... "NO!, NO!, NO! & NO!" from Karla Yates.... 'nuf said.

 

[FilioScotia]

Posted by: Outlaw ---Why did Vance lease a strong earning station to Yates? That is unknown....There are 4 obstacles in the way of Yates buying KJCS...

You don't think Yates could buy KJ even if he wanted to, and I agree. I still think Vance is open to an offer, even if he hasn't posted a For Sale sign. At least I don't think he has. Does anyone here keep up with the radio brokers who find buyers for owners in this position? Is there any way of knowing if Vance is quietly looking for a buyer?

I think he will sell because that's what a rational businessman does in this situation. When a station goes under the way KJ did, and even goes dark, an owner with a lick of sense has to cut his losses and move on.

There are people in the Luf/Nac area who could afford to buy it but I don't see that happening. Local ownership is a dying concept in radio. What's more probable is Gap or some other regional Group snatching it up at a fire sale price, because I don't think Vance is in any position to demand a fat price. I think he'll take whatever he can get from whomever steps up with the cash. That's when he'll skedaddle back to Louisiana and we will have seen the last of the Vance family in these parts.

When that day comes, we should take a cue from the book of Genesis and post an angel with a flaming sword on the Louisiana line to keep him from coming back.

 

[Board Editor]

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[FilioScotia]

Thank you

The air was getting a little hot in here.

I started this thread back in the middle of June, just wondering if anybody out there has any idea what's going to happen to KJCS? Will it ever come back under the current owner? Will it come back under a new owner? Or is it just gone for good?

Unfortunately, some people don't know how to have a polite conversation about anything without getting hot under the collar and throwing insults.

Come on people. Grow up. I really hope this thread can continue, without the acrimony please.

 

[musiclvr101]

KJCS Information According to Outlaw

The air was getting a little hot in here.

I started this thread back in the middle of June, just wondering if anybody out there has any idea what's going to happen to KJCS? Will it ever come back under the current owner? Will it come back under a new owner? Or is it just gone for good?

Unfortunately, some people don't know how to have a polite conversation about anything without getting hot under the collar and throwing insults.

Come on people. Grow up. I really hope this thread can continue, without the acrimony please.

I never intended on throwing insults, I was merely pointing out relevant information provided by Outlaws posts and asking specific questions of Outlaw as he seemed to be the expert on the subject of this thread.

Like others on this board, I seek the truth about what has happened and is happening to a once great radio station (KJCS). Bill Vance is ultimately the one that has the answers to your questions FilioScotia. Outlaw is the one that, time and again, has posted "absolute insider" knowledge regarding the history and future fate of KJCS. All of the logical evidence points to Outlaw being Bill Vance in carnate.

I welcome Outlaw to prove otherwise. He has yet to answer the questions I posed regarding his supposed work at a Wyoming radio station in the late 90's (his explanation for the "Outlaw" name not being from KJ103 "Outlaw 12 in a Row Country") and his broadcast affiliations in the Phoenix, AZ market (his insinuation that Bill Vance wouldn't have anything to do with Phoenix, AZ - aka. Bill Vance's RED HERRING for use on the off chance someone on this board ever suspected Outlaw to be Bill Vance).

"In fact if you read my other posts, you'll see I talk a lot about Phoenix, AZ radio... What would Bill have to do with AZ?"

Do you see how ridiculous the statement above is?

"Because Outlaw also posted in Phoenix, AZ".....What an absurd excuse as to why Outlaw couldn't be Bill Vance!!!



In fact, Bill Vance was so worried his Outlaw cover had been blown that he contacted the "Board Editor" and had Outlaw's posts relocated that prove that Outlaw could be none other than Bill Vance himself!


In closing, the fact are what they are all you have to do is connect the dots.


~peace~

 

[Speak-A-Truth]

Some you have a good handle on the KJ situation.
Ofcourse "OutLaw" is Bill Vance.... Remember his Dad is Retired State Judge from Waco.....Everything Vance does is well thought out.
I have always said Bill is Smart.... as in CRAZY SMART.. and because the Vance Family are in Litagation... Bill has on purpose... Ripped the Guts out of KJ to show in Court that it's not worth anything... He doesn't want is Mother to get back anything of Value. That's way he sold off the Power... He wanted her to get back a Tired Old Low Power FM... with little coverage... & That's where the Money is in the Coverage area ... not in the Billing.... The coverage is the Foundation. What descent Son would do their own Mother & Brother so bad. That's the way he can HURT them... and folks he's done an outstanding Job of Hurting them and a lot of other good people. Yes, I have 1st hand knowlege of the KJ situation..
The Final Chapter is being written Now..... Bill is just about ready to take the last curtin call.... His room in the Big House is being painted about now..... All the Bad Shit he has Layed on people all these years is just about to do him in. I think this will be a Closed Subject around the 1st of the year. I'm so sorry for Carolyn & Brent.... Damn Bill how could you do this to your own family.... Oh I know that answer....
as you told me once...the answer "Cause you Could"!!!!

 

[Jaketheboss]

I am new to the forum and had heard about this thread through the grapevine. I worked for Bill “Outlaw” Vance in Louisiana and know what kind of man he is. From the first time that I met the man, I did not like the way he shook my hand. When he abrasively grabbed my fingers I knew he was trouble. I had fallen on hard times and needed a job. I worked for him for a few months and in that time have never seen such a con artist. Bill intimidated the female employees, ran around with two other male employees he had working for him, and made radio a very negative experience for me. I hope that some people can learn from Bill and his wrongdoings. I just hope that the other people involved Bill’s affairs find a way out.

 

[Outlaw]

If you want to know the truth about what's going on with the Vance family and KJ, take a look at the records at the Federal Court House in Houston (December 28, 2009). It appears Carolyn and Brent are the ones that have caused the problems.

 

[Speak-A-Truth]

Bill
Why don't you quote some of the verse for us....
We are not privy to all that you know.

 

[musicsweep]

The Brett/Carolyn/Bill fued dates back decades... whatever is happening in court now is more than likely a continuation of that fued.

 

[musiclvr101]

Bill Vance has a long history of losing radio licenses through his corrupt ways. Tyler Texas comes to mind. The problem is that he doesn't buy the stations with his own money. Usually it was his mother's money, SILVER SPOON and all! So whatever is going on with KJCS, if not due to the Yates/Bill feud, then it must be another one of Bill Vance's con's.

~peace~

 

[KSBH_Missing_Link]

Bill Vance has a long history of losing radio licenses through his corrupt ways. Tyler Texas comes to mind. The problem is that he doesn't buy the stations with his own money. Usually it was his mother's money, SILVER SPOON and all! So whatever is going on with KJCS, if not due to the Yates/Bill feud, then it must be another one of Bill Vance's con's.

~peace~

Hello everyone! I too have heard about this discussion through the "grapevine" and have been following the related threads on this board. It is time for me to step out of the shadows and expose the criminals involved.

Bill Vance Jr., as he is officially known, has committed frauds on even more levels than those discussed on this board. Let's just say the insider information that I am privy to is extremely detrimental to Bill Vance Jr.'s professed innocence in the destruction of KJCS and other illegal activities. I have had personal and business dealings with Bill Vance Jr. and our previous discussions about "keeping quiet" are void.

Bill I will make sure your criminal activities are exposed and justice is served for the wrongs you have committed against society! I'll start with Natchitoches, LA in a later post when I have more time.


In time -

The Missing Link

 

[Speak-A-Truth]

Well it looks like the tables are turning against Brother Bill Vance.
The Room in the Federal Pen is closer NOW than any of us thought.
Wonder if the Slime Ball will Catch or Pitch???? There is a God in Texas Law to bring his Sorry Ass Down. I can't wait to hear more from the Missing_Link... Many of us know him both personally & in the Broadcast World.... I remember Williams telling me to stay clear.... He knew him too. But I didn't and got Screwed.

Say where would they send him to Huntsville... ??? with Murderers, Rapist, I'd like to see him talk his way out of this. I hear the Really Bad Guys... dislike Liars... & Cheets... even more than us descent people. The Federal Pen is tooo Good for Him.

Missing_Link.... Tell it!!!

 

[musicsweep]

Well, since you think he's going to the FEDERAL pen, then Huntsville is out of the question! Seagoville is a federal facility.

Guys, we are all trying to figure out what is happening in the Lufkin-Nacogdoches market. Some possibly hope for job opportunities, while others are merely sentimental about the stations they once worked for. All this "Bill Vance is gonna get his" garbage isn't helping anything, nor does it show any class on your part. If you have something of value to contribute, then do so. Otherwise, don't.

Man... I thought all the childishness went away when the Radio&Records forums were closed.

 

[FilioScotia]

I thought all the childishness went away when the Radio&Records forums were closed.

That's what you get for thinking.

I have to say I had no idea that I was opening a huge can of worms when I started this thread back in June. To save you the trouble of looking, the first post in this thread asks only if anybody knows what is going on in the Luf/Nac market, and if anybody has any idea what is going to happen with KJCS-103. A simple question, but it sure ripped open a festering sore.

I agree with Musicsweep that most of what has been written here about Vance and Yates since then is probably uninformed cr--ap, posted by people who've had bad experiences with them somewhere along the line, or is just repeating what they thought they heard someone else say.

Every single one of us has had a bad experience with a station owner and/or manager at one time or another, but that doesn't give us the right to call them criminals who should be in prison.

If you have actual proof of criminal behavior, something more than a rumor you heard, then take it to a District Attorney. If you don't, then shut up. As Musicsweep said, If you have something of value to contribute, then do so. Otherwise, don't.

 

[KSBH_Missing_Link]

If you have actual proof of criminal behavior, something more than a rumor you heard, then take it to a District Attorney. If you don't, then shut up. As Musicsweep said, If you have something of value to contribute, then do so. Otherwise, don't.

Perhaps you have a point. I should contact the proper authorities and let them handle it. Nothing is accomplish by airing it on these message boards.

Practically everything that has been said on this board about Bill Vance, Jr. and his partners in crime is true. The man has wronged far too many people to not answer for his crimes. We'll just have to wait and see where it ends up.

Good luck to everyone directly and indirectly affected by this poor excuse of a radio broadcaster!

The Missing Link

 

[FilioScotia]

Like I said, if you have proof that Vance has broken the law, take it to the authorities. However, it's worth remembering that a lot of things that are as wrong as hell may not be illegal.

Employers cheat people and treat people unfairly all the time, but "unfair" is not always "illegal." I can say from experience, because it happened to me a few times in my 45 years in the radio business. I've worked for people who -- I swear -- laid awake nights thinking up new ways to screw their employees.

If that hasn't happened to you yet, trust me it will sooner or later if you stay in this business long enough. But unless you can convince legal authorities that a crime was committed, there's nothing anyone can do about it. You just move on and find a better job, or find another way to make a living.

But I believe in Karma. What goes around comes around. You can't cheat or mistreat people forever.

 

[Speak-A-Truth]

I for one hopes Bill get everything he has coming to him.... He has hurt a lot of good people over the years... It would make a great 2 hour 20/20 show. He's a lucky SOB.. and will probably get away this time too, but I hope not. S A T I S F A C T I O N !!!
Sometimes even when you've got the documents & testimony to go into court.... and your lawyer says ... I think we can Win!! But oh give me about $20-25K Today and be prepared to maybe feed me another $10-20 before all through.... Then when you Win... what have you Won..??
Nothing... just the satisfaction...
Sounds like Carolyn & Bret have him close to loosing something that means something to him... Next few months will tell!

 

[Shepea]

I've brought stations back from being silent several times and all it requires is simply filing a notice that the station has resumed operations. However, if you lost your tower site and found a new one, you just file for an STA until you can file an app to be at full power on the new tower after you get back on the air.
There is no need to prove to the FCC that you have money.
In fact, if he wanted to, he could file for an STA to be on the air with only 1,000 watts in Nac and go on the air for a day (on or before 12/6) and then shut it off for another 12 months.
KJCS was billing strong before moving in with Yates. The LMA started just as the economy tanked. Yates billed only a fraction of what Vance billed. After Yates lost it, it was like a startup and when it cost 5 figures to keep a station on the air it was a good decision to shut it down and do the startup thing later after the economy has a chance to recover.
It was a mix of the economy and Yates inability to pay KJ’s bills that drove it into the ground, not Bill.
Billing was good with Vance even though ratings were low. The ratings I would blame more on Robby Lynn and his inability to compete with KYKS.

LOL,,Ronny Lynn, what a joke! He came in after my husband and Left. My husband took that station from 6 to #3 in one book, mind you, no budget at all and all we got were lie after lie. Never came through with anything. So to bring the ratings up just by that bit was a miracle inself..then there were th boucing checks, almost every payday! Sometimes, our GM Carolyn would forfeit her paycheck so the staff could get paid. When Robby came in, I wished him luck, told him he was going to need it, He said that was no where to go but up! LOL! I got fired for that remark, but hey, it was the truth. Robby did not go up, he went down, way down. Lord, I could tell you some stories!