What's the diffence?

[K-RockFan]

Between 937k-rock,1059thex and 1025wdve?937k-rock has the classic rock songs that dve plays and most songs on 1059thex. Why aren't they up in the ratings?(Besides DLR being on).I just like 937k-rock cause of the music they play.937K-ROCK ROCKS DVE AND 1059THEX.

 

[Radio_Realist]

Beats me! I never listen to K-Rock or the X. No one has ever given me a reason to want to sample either one of those stations. I have an idea of what they play because I hang out in here, but if I wasn't a radio enthusiast, I wouldn't have a clue what K-Rock or the X played. But hey, I'm just a listener. It's not my responsibility to find a radio station, it's the radio station's responsibility to inform me that they are there and to give me a reason to tune them in for a listen. If the companies that run the radio stations don't want to give potential listeners a reason to check them out, it's the companies' loss.

 

[K-RockFan]

Beats me! I never listen to K-Rock or the X. No one has ever given me a reason to want to sample either one of those stations. I have an idea of what they play because I hang out in here, but if I wasn't a radio enthusiast, I wouldn't have a clue what K-Rock or the X played. But hey, I'm just a listener. It's not my responsibility to find a radio station, it's the radio station's responsibility to inform me that they are there and to give me a reason to tune them in for a listen. If the companies that run the radio stations don't want to give potential listeners a reason to check them out, it's the companies' loss.

I agree 100%. So true They should have ads on tv.

 

[johnknapik]

Aside from lack of promotion, I have two reasons K-Rock isn't doing better than DVE and WXDX: 1. In the Burgh, DVE is the station to love...while I think the music is boring at times and redundant, no station exemplifies the working class Pittsburgh asthetic better than DVE. DVE fans are like Steeler fans...LOYAL.2. K-Rock is trying to be everything for everyone (rock-wise) and it scares away certain demographics. If an X listener were to tune into K-Rock they would enjoy the Aveneged Sevenfold or new Godsmack but as soon as Motley Crue's Shout At The Devil comes on they would go "What The ?" and tune out. Remember, groups like Nirvana put the nail in the coffin for hair bands like the Crue and Van Halen.WDVE listeners would be turned of by the artists such as Theory Of A Deadman, Slipknot, and Mudvayne. They would enjoy about one in every 7 songs played on K-Rock.JJK

 

[K-RockFan]

Aside from lack of promotion, I have two reasons K-Rock isn't doing better than DVE and WXDX: 1. In the Burgh, DVE is the station to love...while I think the music is boring at times and redundant, no station exemplifies the working class Pittsburgh asthetic better than DVE. DVE fans are like Steeler fans...LOYAL.2. K-Rock is trying to be everything for everyone (rock-wise) and it scares away certain demographics. If an X listener were to tune into K-Rock they would enjoy the Aveneged Sevenfold or new Godsmack but as soon as Motley Crue's Shout At The Devil comes on they would go "What The ?" and tune out. Remember, groups like Nirvana put the nail in the coffin for hair bands like the Crue and Van Halen.WDVE listeners would be turned of by the artists such as Theory Of A Deadman, Slipknot, and Mudvayne. They would enjoy about one in every 7 songs played on K-Rock.JJK

Very good points.

 

[Pratte4Life]

I agree with JohnnyK- so let me make a suggestion as to what would make ME listen more. First, there is some truth in "Nirvana killed the hairbands." But have you also considered that they didn't seem to kill Bon Jovi, Poison is celebrating its 20th anniversary, and Motley Crue has continued to be culturally relevant. It was always my belief that "Nirvana killed the hairbands" was something put out by Nirvana fans who tended to be rather downer people and liked NOTHING better than celebrating the demise of a band that was hard and fast and generally positive and happy. I could show you how in 1991 Kiss- a band that has copied every music fad that has happed since their inception in 1973, went from the "Heavens on Fire," "Uh All Night" and "Let's Put the X in Sex" songs of the eighties to the incredibly ROUGH "Unholy" in 1991. Pantera saw an audience for Metallica and Megadeath and realized they weren't going to make it in their original incarnation as a hair band but instead as hard metal. Take a look at a Pantera photo from 1988 and one from 1990 and the "Cowboys From Hell" era and you'll see what I mean. Point is- a rock band- even a successful one- generally has only a few years at the top. The Stones, AC/DC, Kiss, whoever- are the exceptions. How long did you really think Britny Fox could go copying Cinderella- who was in many ways copying AC/DC? If Cobain overdoses on drugs in 1989 before anyone ever hears of him- does Britny Fox really put out 10 albums?And by the way- I love Britny Fox and it's been mentioned many times how Britney Spears' "Hit Me Baby One More Time" that made her a sex symbol "borrowed liberally" from Britny Fox's "Girlschool" video. I read one rock critic state in 2002 that Poison outsold Nirvana in 2001. This doesn't really surprise me- Nirvana tends to be a downer- Poison tends to be happy and exciting even if they aren't deep. And I'm positive that "The Dirt"- Motley Crue's biography- outsold the Cobain diary that went so far as to make the cover of Newsweek. So, here's an idea. My favorite all-time station was "The Force"- which played the SleazeBees for crying out loud . . . in 1994 (!) after the hair bands had been down for- bare minimum- two years (in 1992 you still had- say- Slaughter putting out albums- though the proud genre may have peaked a couple of years before that). I don't have ratings for the station from 1994- it turned to "The X" relatively soon after. But it seemed to be very popular- everyone in my age demographic listened to it- remotes were very popular- and I tend to believe it was more the buyout of the station that changed the format than listener preferance.So, since we have "The X" for modern rock- why not try and stay a bit away from that on K-Rock? Less Godsmack- more Poison, Ratt, etc. Look, those bands in 1986 were far more popular than Godsmack or Mudvayne are in 2006. I once saw a 50 year old man going through albums in Eides with a Dangerous Toys T-shirt on in 1990. Those bands have always been absent from WDVE since- well- 1990 or so- and even then WDVE wasn't playing them so much. I think that you'd find an audience crafted from Gen Xers and also young women (I swear- you will see more attractive 20something women at a Poison concert- even today- and I'm convinced its because hair bands obviously cater to a sexy young woman more than singing "Come As You Are"). You could also pick up on contemporary bands that have that sound- such as The Donnas, The Darkness, Jet and Weezer. This is a rock audience that isn't hit currently and the audience is there- witness how Poison and Cinderella will assuredly be one of the biggest concert draws of this summer at the PG Pavillion. On a final note- while I'm sure advertising Opie and Anthony isn't a bad idea, O and A have gotten so much national pub for replacing David Lee Roth it isn't THAT necessary.

 

[kirk1233]

This is my favorite thing about K-rock. They play mostly new rock with a hair band here and there or a classic thrown in once or twice an hour. Although I don't listen to terrestrial radio that much anymore unless it is for talk. I have sirrius and can listen to octance 20 and hair nation to get a much bigger variety of both types of music...

Aside from lack of promotion, I have two reasons K-Rock isn't doing better than DVE and WXDX: 1. In the Burgh, DVE is the station to love...while I think the music is boring at times and redundant, no station exemplifies the working class Pittsburgh asthetic better than DVE. DVE fans are like Steeler fans...LOYAL.2. K-Rock is trying to be everything for everyone (rock-wise) and it scares away certain demographics. If an X listener were to tune into K-Rock they would enjoy the Aveneged Sevenfold or new Godsmack but as soon as Motley Crue's Shout At The Devil comes on they would go "What The ?" and tune out. Remember, groups like Nirvana put the nail in the coffin for hair bands like the Crue and Van Halen.WDVE listeners would be turned of by the artists such as Theory Of A Deadman, Slipknot, and Mudvayne. They would enjoy about one in every 7 songs played on K-Rock.JJK

 

[toddjammin]

I agree with JohnnyK- so let me make a suggestion as to what would make ME listen more. First, there is some truth in "Nirvana killed the hairbands." But have you also considered that they didn't seem to kill Bon Jovi, Poison is celebrating its 20th anniversary, and Motley Crue has continued to be culturally relevant. It was always my belief that "Nirvana killed the hairbands" was something put out by Nirvana fans who tended to be rather downer people and liked NOTHING better than celebrating the demise of a band that was hard and fast and generally positive and happy. I could show you how in 1991 Kiss- a band that has copied every music fad that has happed since their inception in 1973, went from the "Heavens on Fire," "Uh All Night" and "Let's Put the X in Sex" songs of the eighties to the incredibly ROUGH "Unholy" in 1991. Pantera saw an audience for Metallica and Megadeath and realized they weren't going to make it in their original incarnation as a hair band but instead as hard metal. Take a look at a Pantera photo from 1988 and one from 1990 and the "Cowboys From Hell" era and you'll see what I mean. Point is- a rock band- even a successful one- generally has only a few years at the top. The Stones, AC/DC, Kiss, whoever- are the exceptions. How long did you really think Britny Fox could go copying Cinderella- who was in many ways copying AC/DC? If Cobain overdoses on drugs in 1989 before anyone ever hears of him- does Britny Fox really put out 10 albums?And by the way- I love Britny Fox and it's been mentioned many times how Britney Spears' "Hit Me Baby One More Time" that made her a sex symbol "borrowed liberally" from Britny Fox's "Girlschool" video. I read one rock critic state in 2002 that Poison outsold Nirvana in 2001. This doesn't really surprise me- Nirvana tends to be a downer- Poison tends to be happy and exciting even if they aren't deep. And I'm positive that "The Dirt"- Motley Crue's biography- outsold the Cobain diary that went so far as to make the cover of Newsweek. So, here's an idea. My favorite all-time station was "The Force"- which played the SleazeBees for crying out loud . . . in 1994 (!) after the hair bands had been down for- bare minimum- two years (in 1992 you still had- say- Slaughter putting out albums- though the proud genre may have peaked a couple of years before that). I don't have ratings for the station from 1994- it turned to "The X" relatively soon after. But it seemed to be very popular- everyone in my age demographic listened to it- remotes were very popular- and I tend to believe it was more the buyout of the station that changed the format than listener preferance.So, since we have "The X" for modern rock- why not try and stay a bit away from that on K-Rock? Less Godsmack- more Poison, Ratt, etc. Look, those bands in 1986 were far more popular than Godsmack or Mudvayne are in 2006. I once saw a 50 year old man going through albums in Eides with a Dangerous Toys T-shirt on in 1990. Those bands have always been absent from WDVE since- well- 1990 or so- and even then WDVE wasn't playing them so much. I think that you'd find an audience crafted from Gen Xers and also young women (I swear- you will see more attractive 20something women at a Poison concert- even today- and I'm convinced its because hair bands obviously cater to a sexy young woman more than singing "Come As You Are"). You could also pick up on contemporary bands that have that sound- such as The Donnas, The Darkness, Jet and Weezer. This is a rock audience that isn't hit currently and the audience is there- witness how Poison and Cinderella will assuredly be one of the biggest concert draws of this summer at the PG Pavillion. On a final note- while I'm sure advertising Opie and Anthony isn't a bad idea, O and A have gotten so much national pub for replacing David Lee Roth it isn't THAT necessary.

I remember the Force on 106.7 when it debuted in November of 93. 106.7 was Kiss FM prior to the force, which I believe was an AC station? DJ Bill Camron played ROCk Rock til you drop from Def Leppard for 2 straight days as a stunt for the force. I believe Bill locked himself in the station for that amount of time and people were coming to the radio station bringing him tons of food. I think the force was definitely the all time best rock station Pittsburgh had. It was nice to hear Slaughter, Motley Crue, Def Leppard, The Contra Band, Pantera and many others as you mentioned on the Force. Did Ratings have an effect with the format only lasting about a year and a half?

 

[Pratte4Life]

I remember working the kitchen in the Geneva College cafeteria with a ton of other work study students and all we did was put on "Rock 'til You Drop" that Cameron was playing. KISS 106.7- and they had stations change frequencies since then (it's now officially The X on 105.9, I believe)- was something of a rock outfit out of Beaver Falls but you only listened to it if you were from Beaver Falls. They had, if I remember right, a rock playlist but they would play "safer" rock songs- sort of like what killed WRRK when they would add Billy Joel's "Piano Man" to their playlist. With Kiss 106.7 it was Tom Jones. I have no idea why the format was changed from The Force. It seemed like the station had a large following. I remember going out to see the remotes and there would always be tons of people- lots of advertising and promotion- and it seemed like every club in the Tri-State Area- not Western PA but THE TRI-STATE AREA- was advertising on it. Even in places where their signal- which was never the best- went- they got clubs to advertise. Two theories- only theories. One- by 1994 it could be said the hair bands were officially not contemporary. Nobody told me until 1995, of course, and I didn't cut my hair until 1998 but by that time even on Headbangers they were playing rougher stuff and alternative music was growing. Hence, Smashing Pumpkins- a band I first saw in the third and final hour of "Headbangers Ball" after the hair bands led off the show- was now taking over while John Corabi was fronting The Crue. So, as the station's studios were moved from Beaver Falls, the bigger corporation didn't see much reason to keep things status quo and decided it was the time to go to the grunge and alternative scene. The second thing- and I have to say this- was that the morning show on The Force officially sucked. Bill Cameron's "Grandma" character wasn't even worthy of high school radio. Wednesdays with the porn stars were good, the rest was crap, from drinking whiskey on the air to God knows what else.

 

[eXRadioPro]

ClearChannel bought 106.7 the Force because it was competing with their 104.7 The Revolution WNRQ format. Then they put it on 105.9 as the X, switching freaks with WAMO. They bought it because they didn't want to beat it.

 

[eXRadioPro]

Actually, to be completely accurate, AMFM/Chancellor which would itself BE bought later by ClearChannel, bought out the Force...

 

[K-RockFan]

1. In the Burgh, DVE is the station to love...while I think the music is boring at times and redundant, no station exemplifies the working class Pittsburgh asthetic better than DVE. DVE fans are like Steeler fans...LOYALWho cares bout that. The Station itself sucks i have not listened to this station for a longtime now. Before k-rock came on i listened to 1059thex(The Force) Cause i liked it better. Music wise.

 

[K-RockFan]

Aside from lack of promotion, I have two reasons K-Rock isn't doing better than DVE and WXDX: 1. In the Burgh, DVE is the station to love...while I think the music is boring at times and redundant, no station exemplifies the working class Pittsburgh asthetic better than DVE. DVE fans are like Steeler fans...LOYAL.2. K-Rock is trying to be everything for everyone (rock-wise) and it scares away certain demographics. If an X listener were to tune into K-Rock they would enjoy the Aveneged Sevenfold or new Godsmack but as soon as Motley Crue's Shout At The Devil comes on they would go "What The ?" and tune out. Remember, groups like Nirvana put the nail in the coffin for hair bands like the Crue and Van Halen.WDVE listeners would be turned of by the artists such as Theory Of A Deadman, Slipknot, and Mudvayne. They would enjoy about one in every 7 songs played on K-Rock.JJK

Very good points.

But aside from the steelers coverage they suck all together.

 

[corporateradiosucks]

Who cares bout that. The Station itself sucks i have not listened to this station for a longtime now. Before k-rock came on i listened to 1059thex(The Force) Cause i liked it better. Music wise.

Who cares? Umm, the people selling airtime perhaps?