When Did Each All-News Station Begin?

[K.M. Richards]

Here is one that was in someway was expected WCBS-AM to become WHSQ-AM and to flip into Sports/talk with ESPN affiliation.

It was only a matter of time. NYC was the last market with two all-News stations.

The question now is ... we still don't know what is going to happen with WEPN-FM in three weeks. Now there will be more speculation about the AM with the same affiliation and calls.

 

[Mark Roberts]

It was only a matter of time. NYC was the last market with two all-News stations.

The question now is ... we still don't know what is going to happen with WEPN-FM in three weeks. Now there will be more speculation about the AM with the same affiliation and calls.

WHSQ = We Have Serious Questions!

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

It was only a matter of time. NYC was the last market with two all-News stations.

The question now is ... we still don't know what is going to happen with WEPN-FM in three weeks. Now there will be more speculation about the AM with the same affiliation and calls.

True and some of the stories surrounding the soon to be WHSQ is tied to Good Karma needing a new outlet after the 98.7 FM LMA contract for ESPN Radio affiliation expires.

 

[On the Dial]

The demise of WCBS would seem to raise questions about the viability of CBS News Radio.

 

[kfbkfb]

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~1991 - KNHN AM 1340

KNHN broadcast the audio from CNN Headline News, I listened often while driving around town and sometimes to their local morning news/talk program at home.

Were there a lot of radio stations that became news radio stations by just broadcasting the audio from CNN Headline News?


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[Radiopaw]

KGO SF (610) of 1962 was alive until 2022, in what I consider the dumbest flip of recent history in the bay.

And there is a lot of dumb flips in the bay, as evident by how often it doesn’t work out and changes.

 

[bmasters1981]

KGO SF (610) of 1962 was alive until 2022, in what I consider the dumbest flip of recent history in the bay.

What did they change (flip) to?

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

The demise of WCBS would seem to raise questions about the viability of CBS News Radio.


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However, CBS News itself has an affiliation deal with Audacy app for national audiences on phones and dashboard apps. But we are talking about OTA then it's WINS-AM and WINS-FM for New York area listeners and Audacy have evidence that more people in the New York area listen to WINS than WCBS(soon to be WHSQ ESPN New York). Also median demos are at play.

https://www.audacy.com/stations/cbsradionews

https://www.audacy.com/stations/cbsnews

https://www.audacy.com/stations/cbsnewyork

KGO SF (810) of 1962 was alive until 2022, in what I consider the dumbest flip of recent history in the bay.

And there is a lot of dumb flips in the bay, as evident by how often it doesn’t work out and changes.

KGO-AM died as a News/talk station partially because NPR affiliate KQED-FM killed them off in the San Francisco radio ratings and also Audacy's sister station KCBS-AM/KFRC-FM all news is a major rival against KQED-FM and on average is on the top 5 spots on the San Francisco ratings.

https://ratings.****************/content/arb009

What did they change (flip) to?

810 AM San Francisco became sports betting 810 The Spread.

 

[Radiopaw]

The demise of WCBS would seem to raise questions about the viability of CBS News Radio.


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However, CBS News itself has an affiliation deal with Audacy app for national audiences on phones and dashboard apps. But we are talking about OTA then it's WINS-AM and WINS-FM for New York area listeners and Audacy have evidence that more people in the New York area listen to WINS than WCBS(soon to be WHSQ ESPN New York). Also median demos are at play.

https://www.audacy.com/stations/cbsradionews

https://www.audacy.com/stations/cbsnews

https://www.audacy.com/stations/cbsnewyork

KGO-AM died as a News/talk station partially because NPR affiliate KQED-FM killed them off in the San Francisco radio ratings and also Audacy's sister station KCBS-AM/KFRC-FM all news is a major rival against KQED-FM and on average is on the top 5 spots on the San Francisco ratings.

https://ratings.****************/content/arb009

810 AM San Francisco became sports betting 810 The Spread.

well said, but the main reason I consider it stupid was both Citadel and Cumulus neglect of migrating it to a supplemental FM station when many were available. KGO was the strongest news station historically in San Francisco, correct?

Hell; even KLVS (107.3) would have covered all from SF to San Jose, which may not be “the whole market” but it sure is damn close to 70% of its population. 4M of the 5.5M today.

 

[davideduardo]

well said, but the main reason I consider it stupid was both Citadel and Cumulus neglect of migrating it to a supplemental FM station when many were available. KGO was the strongest news station historically in San Francisco, correct?

KGO was a talk station, in the WOR and WABC style, not all news.

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

well said, but the main reason I consider it stupid was both Citadel and Cumulus neglect of migrating it to a supplemental FM station when many were available. KGO was the strongest news station historically in San Francisco, correct?

Hell; even KLVS (107.3) would have covered all from SF to San Jose, which may not be “the whole market” but it sure is damn close to 70% of its population. 4M of the 5.5M today.

Consider the other part ABC ended an affiliation deal with Cumulus as Disney renamed ABC Radio to ABC Audio to boost their podcast operations. This in turn made KGO-AM go in a different direction as a Westwood One News/talk affiliate. Either way KGO had to lower the median demo one way or another.

 

[Mark Roberts]

KGO was a talk station, in the WOR and WABC style, not all news.

KGO featured news and had a morning and afternoon news block. It had somewhat of a news-oriented reputation, but KCBS was, and still is, the all-news station in the Bay Area, and is what most people would think of as all-news. When KGO did go all-news on weekdays but not weekends for a few years in the 2010s (starting late in 2011), it had an uphill battle against KCBS. KCBS had more resources and had the KFRC-FM signal since 2008. KGO ultimately went back to talk full-time with some news presence remaining.

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

well said, but the main reason I consider it stupid was both Citadel and Cumulus neglect of migrating it to a supplemental FM station when many were available. KGO was the strongest news station historically in San Francisco, correct?

Hell; even KLVS (107.3) would have covered all from SF to San Jose, which may not be “the whole market” but it sure is damn close to 70% of its population. 4M of the 5.5M today.

Does not matter at this point given that NPR affiliate KQED-FM dominates the News/talk format in San Francisco and they are 110kw to cover the whole market. This is the station that is partial contributer with KCBS-AM/KFRC-FM for killing off KGO-AM News/talk format in the San Francisco Radio ratings via PPM. KGO-AM did dominate at one point but that was decades ago when diary records was the method for Arbitron at the time.

 

[Gregg.]

What mainly killed off KGO was that it was on AM only. Which is also what killed WCBS NYC.

KCBS has a full power FM simulcast on 105.9, KFRC-FM. And KQED-FM has an overpowered FM signal, 110,000 watts on a tower at 1,270 feet HAAT. Technically SF is in Class B territory, stretching from Sacramento to San Diego, where FM stations should be limited to 50,000 watts at 500 feet HAAT. But so many stations in SF and LA are grandfathered at higher power and/or taller towers.

How could KGO, no matter how good its product, compete with KQED-FM for talk and KCBS for news? Just as WCBS in New York, only on AM, couldn't compete with WINS, with its FM simulcast.

 

[Gregg.]

The demise of WCBS would seem to raise questions about the viability of CBS News Radio.

Losing WCBS as an outlet for CBS News on the hour will not be fatal for the network. It still airs news on the hour on KNX Los Angeles, WBBM Chicago, KCBS San Francisco, etc. ABC and Fox also have no NYC affiliate. And even if it isn't taking the news on the hour, WINS uses CBS actualities and field reporters' stories in its regular news wheel.

CBS Radio acquired WINS and KYW Philadelphia from Westinghouse when it merged with CBS. Through their all-news history, WINS and KYW didn't air a top of the hour network newscast, while all the CBS AM stations carried CBS News. This continued, even after WINS and KYW were merged into CBS Radio.

So to this day, WINS doesn't carry hourly CBS news and KYW only does it a few hours overnight, when some of its regular news is prerecorded. Same story at WBZ Boston, which was also a Westinghouse station. It only airs CBS news on the hour overnight when it runs prerecorded news.

 

[Larry]

So to this day, WINS doesn't carry hourly CBS news and KYW only does it a few hours overnight, when some of its regular news is prerecorded. Same story at WBZ Boston, which was also a Westinghouse station. It only airs CBS news on the hour overnight when it runs prerecorded news.

It’s been a while since I’ve listened to it but 1210 AM (now WPHT) used to carry the CBS news on the top of the hour.

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

Losing WCBS as an outlet for CBS News on the hour will not be fatal for the network. It still airs news on the hour on KNX Los Angeles, WBBM Chicago, KCBS San Francisco, etc. ABC and Fox also have no NYC affiliate. And even if it isn't taking the news on the hour, WINS uses CBS actualities and field reporters' stories in its regular news wheel.

CBS Radio acquired WINS and KYW Philadelphia from Westinghouse when it merged with CBS. Through their all-news history, WINS and KYW didn't air a top of the hour network newscast, while all the CBS AM stations carried CBS News. This continued, even after WINS and KYW were merged into CBS Radio.

So to this day, WINS doesn't carry hourly CBS news and KYW only does it a few hours overnight, when some of its regular news is prerecorded. Same story at WBZ Boston, which was also a Westinghouse station. It only airs CBS news on the hour overnight when it runs prerecorded news.

https://www.audacy.com/stations/cbsradionews

I was citing someone else sorry about that. But I get it, this is like when Disney ended their broadcast contract with Cumulus a decade ago when ABC Radio became a podcast label of ABC News. Hence this one ABC News Update mentions major podcast distributors and not local radio stations by location here. Disney has the evidence that listeners of a certain median demo are mainly picking up their audio content via podcasts and not through local AM or FM stations as in their former affiliates like KGO-AM, KABC-AM, WABC-AM.

The situation with CBS Radio News ending their affiliation with WCBS as part of the format flip is due to Audacy putting more of their all news resources to WINS and freeing 880 to be an ESPN Radio affiliate via LMA with Good Karma. The CBS Radio News reports will continue via Audacy app directly if one cannot find a local affiliate in some parts of the country. It's simply a change in where the median demos get their audio content. It really does not matter if WINS Radio picks up CBS Radio News affiliation or not at this point as long as WINS promotes their feed on Audacy app which is most important.

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[davideduardo]

KGO featured news and had a morning and afternoon news block. It had somewhat of a news-oriented reputation, but KCBS was, and still is, the all-news station in the Bay Area, and is what most people would think of as all-news. When KGO did go all-news on weekdays but not weekends for a few years in the 2010s (starting late in 2011), it had an uphill battle against KCBS. KCBS had more resources and had the KFRC-FM signal since 2008. KGO ultimately went back to talk full-time with some news presence remaining.

Quite a few talk stations have news blocks in mornings, and some in the afternoon as well. Just as some have evening sports blocks. But, at least to me, if most of the day is made up of traditional talk shows, it's a talk station or, in the Nielsen category of "News/Talk".

 

[davideduardo]

How could KGO, no matter how good its product, compete with KQED-FM for talk and KCBS for news? Just as WCBS in New York, only on AM, couldn't compete with WINS, with its FM simulcast.

KGO began dying at the "turn of the century" as it did not keep up with the style and content of successful talkers. The Ronn Owens style of the 90's did not fit the new millenium and GM Mikey Lukoff did not institute changes. In fact, after ratings had dropped with the introduction of the PPM, he quit in disgust!

https://www.sfgate.com/business/bottomline/article/kgo-s-mickey-luckoff-blasts-new-owners-quits-3171752.php

 

[Mark Roberts]

Quite a few talk stations have news blocks in mornings, and some in the afternoon as well. Just as some have evening sports blocks. But, at least to me, if most of the day is made up of traditional talk shows, it's a talk station or, in the Nielsen category of "News/Talk".

KGO certainly fit that category until 2011, then it was all-news on weekdays. That lasted until mid-2014, then it went back to more talk shows. The news staff was reduced, and morning anchor Ed Baxter ended up at 910 KKSF, then a talk station that mostly cleared syndicated shows.