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When did NBC 5 (DFW) do away with their 10AM newscast?

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When did NBC 5 (DFW) do away with their 10AM newscast?

We just turned it on to watch at the office and they have the today show. How far am I behind times, does seem like that long since the last time we had it on.
 
Welcome to the new NBC/Ch. 5 reality, the all-new **fourth** hour of Today... In the bargain, no mid-morning or mid-day news...you're left with the quickie news inserts during Today, or the afternoon local news starting at 4pm. This will leave you with the nooners on 4 or on 8 for any in-between news.
 
On another thread in the national boards there were listings of what NBC affiliates around the country were running during the dayime. I was surprised at how many didn't have any sort of midday news.
 
It's spelled R-A-T-I-N-G-S.

These nuts running things in their cushy offices know full well, MOST (not all, just most) of the people viewing noon o'clock television are either hallways in office buildings that have CNN or FOX News on as background noise, or (target audience lurking) housewives that could care less about stories on baby murders and dogfighting. It's soap time and Oprah. Why worry about photogs and desks going crazy for a broadcast that no one watches.

Unfortunately, noon broadcasts are growing to be a thing of the past. You know, kinda like concern for local programming. :mad:
 
I guess we will live without it. I have a rule in my office, that if it gets slow enough to turn the TV on, it can only be on the news. Since I only have it on antenna there is not much choice.

8:00AM Channel 4
9:00AM Channel 8 no longer passess for news at that hour
10:00AM used to be Channel 5

12:00 Channel 4
04:00 PM Channel 5
05:00 PM Channel 8

wish 5 had changed to a 11AM newscast
 
You know, OTT, if you stretch the rabbit ears and aluminum foil, you may pick up CW33 :D
 
Don't forget 11's newscast at 9AM, before Rachael Ray came along last fall...

Remember when LIN used to butcher Channel 5's daytime schedule in the 70s and 80s? Most soaps ran a day later because they couldn't juggle things to be able to tape them for same-day broadcast in another timeslot. A few soaps and game shows were not even shown on 5 because they couldn't fit them in...the 1975 "You Don't Say" remake, the first two years of "Card Sharks," several years of "Santa Barbara," the last few years of "Texas," also "Sunset Beach" and a remake of "Concentration." They had to cover up most of NBC's teases that were voiced over a show's ending credits to hide plugs for shows they didn't show. They even chopped off the last 30 mins of "The Tonight Show" (when it used to run 90 mins.) Early-morning stripping of "Donahue" caused some of this; committing to second-run, network-provided syndies like "Chico and the Man" and "Sanford and Son" instead of using those slots to move the unused first-run network programs into was another culprit. I'm really surprised that Lin Bolen and the network brass allowed these kinds of local shenanigans to go on at KXAS, being in such a high-rated market. I know Carson came unglued on the air one night about 5 shortening his show.

Sorry, don't mind my tirade here...I'm going to kick back and take in some "Somerset," then some "Emergency One," then catch up on today's news on "Inside Area 5." Just make sure I'm awake when "The Hollywood Squares" comes on at 6:30. It IS Friday night, right? Sanford, Chico, Rockford and Police Story. Moody, Bloxom, Taft and Ron Spain thereafter.
 
MikeShannon914 said:
I know Carson came unglued on the air one night about 5 shortening his show.
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Oh I wish there was a clip of that floating around.
 
MikeShannon914 said:
Don't forget 11's newscast at 9AM, before Rachael Ray came along last fall...

Remember when LIN used to butcher Channel 5's daytime schedule in the 70s and 80s? Most soaps ran a day later because they couldn't juggle things to be able to tape them for same-day broadcast in another timeslot. A few soaps and game shows were not even shown on 5 because they couldn't fit them in...the 1975 "You Don't Say" remake, the first two years of "Card Sharks," several years of "Santa Barbara," the last few years of "Texas," also "Sunset Beach" and a remake of "Concentration." They had to cover up most of NBC's teases that were voiced over a show's ending credits to hide plugs for shows they didn't show. They even chopped off the last 30 mins of "The Tonight Show" (when it used to run 90 mins.) Early-morning stripping of "Donahue" caused some of this; committing to second-run, network-provided syndies like "Chico and the Man" and "Sanford and Son" instead of using those slots to move the unused first-run network programs into was another culprit. I'm really surprised that Lin Bolen and the network brass allowed these kinds of local shenanigans to go on at KXAS, being in such a high-rated market. I know Carson came unglued on the air one night about 5 shortening his show.

Sorry, don't mind my tirade here...I'm going to kick back and take in some "Somerset," then some "Emergency One," then catch up on today's news on "Inside Area 5." Just make sure I'm awake when "The Hollywood Squares" comes on at 6:30. It IS Friday night, right? Sanford, Chico, Rockford and Police Story. Moody, Bloxom, Taft and Ron Spain thereafter.
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Oh yes, how I don't miss the let's-do-it-ourselves-no-matter-what-NBC-thinks schedule....and don't let there be a Rangers game, all the usual switcheroo would go out the window, night or day. I didn't know Carson ever went off about 5. That woulda been a sight. Surely we wouldn't have had to put up with all that had 5 been an O&O back then....
 
Carson in the late 60's went off on local affiliates "cutting"network spots and inserting their own. For three nights he had Ed do his famous Alpo spot before the monolog,and he had a short running skit with ALL THE ADVERTISERS of his show called "Important commercial spots you have missed due to Local greed"
One particular episode he was juggling a jar of "Nescafe"..it fell and broke. The advertiser the next night got a prop man to subsitute a football with the Nescafe Logo on it. He had viewers write and complain to local affiliates about the commercial switching. The switching was bad.Thestation may have been of by two seconds and the transistion was horrible.

It is outlined in the book "King of the Night" and' Ed McMahon's biography.
 
MikeShannon914 said:
Remember when LIN used to butcher Channel 5's daytime schedule in the 70s and 80s? Most soaps ran a day later because they couldn't juggle things to be able to tape them for same-day broadcast in another timeslot...
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Ah yes, those lovely days...

- "NBC is turning 21" when 5 would have something for the entire evening not from NBC - Rangers, movie, etc. - KTXA would pick up the NBC feed
- Texas 27 (I think it was KTWS at the time) picking up a few of NBC's daytime shows - at least Super Password, which it would air at 5pm. I remember video taping it for later viewing, and 27 would just tape the live NBC feed, even if it was interrupted for Breaking News (which broke about 6 hours ago) and just ran it until the tape ran out, then into the next show... (Also sometimes forgetting to mute the closing audio, promoting "Later today on Days of Our Lives..." or "Tonight on L.A. Law..."
- The one day delay of Wheel of Fortune (which seemed to be the only NBC game - of the 6 NBC aired - they carried for a period). Especially when Pat Sajak made the switch to Late Night talk shows. NBC was promoting the hell out of "Starting Monday on Wheel of Fortune - Rolf Benirschke" and if you tuned in KXAS, you got to see Pat Sajak's last Daytime episode...
- The muting of voice overs on the closing credits or a local voice over on top of nothing - then a hard audio cut back to the network music...

(Side note - I always thought NBC should feed the closing credits audio using both channels - send show theme music on the left channel and then voice over on the right - that way stations could have either no voice over with theme music, or local voice over with theme music...)

Jim
 
Jim said:
(Side note - I always thought NBC should feed the closing credits audio using both channels - send show theme music on the left channel and then voice over on the right - that way stations could have either no voice over with theme music, or local voice over with theme music...)
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Broadcasts are in stereo. Music and voice on both channels. There's nothing to stop them feed an alternate music only track on a sub carrier.
 
This particular Carson tirade happened around May, 1978...he read a letter from an angry viewer saying that his NBC affiliate was carrying only 60 minutes of the "Tonight Show"...Carson said the station was "K-X-A-S TV in Fort Worth, Texas," (call letters read very slowly.) I just checked a March, 1978 TV Guide, which shows Channel 5 carrying the entire 90 minutes of the show...so maybe this was a new thing by May, since it wasn't unusual for KXAS in the past to preempt that last 30 mins in the past with "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman," "All that Glitters" or other syndie programming in the 11:30PM slot before the "Tomorrow" show.
 
I don't ever recall ch.5 not airing the entire 90 minutes of Tonight. This could have been an isolated incident where something preempted the show (like a breaking news event) or loss of network feed.
It is also possible this was referencing the weekend version of Tonight (or Best of Carson) which ran regularly on 5.
 
I thought Carson read a letter about Channel 5 not taking the first five minutes of the show. Before the networks had given a 35 minute slot for the 10PM news Channel 8 and had started doing get and recording nightline and showed it later in the night.

Channel 5 started following suit and would join the show as the monalog was ending or in the middle. After he went off and about them it ended. It was about a year later when everybody started doing a 35 minute 10PM newscast.
 
I think Carson also had an issue with the number of shows that were joined in progress because of a Rangers game that ran late (followed by a full newscast).

He also used to have an odd thing in his contract: if Tonight didn't start by Midnight eastern, it didn't run at all. It didn't happen often, but if network programming ran past 10:30 Central, after the news, Letterman would start early. (I wonder what KXAS did on those nights, since they normally delayed Letterman by 30 minutes or an hour.)
 
MikeShannon914 said:
Don't forget 11's newscast at 9AM, before Rachael Ray came along last fall...

Remember when LIN used to butcher Channel 5's daytime schedule in the 70s and 80s? Most soaps ran a day later because they couldn't juggle things to be able to tape them for same-day broadcast in another timeslot. A few soaps and game shows were not even shown on 5 because they couldn't fit them in...the 1975 "You Don't Say" remake, the first two years of "Card Sharks," several years of "Santa Barbara," the last few years of "Texas," also "Sunset Beach" and a remake of "Concentration." They had to cover up most of NBC's teases that were voiced over a show's ending credits to hide plugs for shows they didn't show. They even chopped off the last 30 mins of "The Tonight Show" (when it used to run 90 mins.) Early-morning stripping of "Donahue" caused some of this; committing to second-run, network-provided syndies like "Chico and the Man" and "Sanford and Son" instead of using those slots to move the unused first-run network programs into was another culprit. I'm really surprised that Lin Bolen and the network brass allowed these kinds of local shenanigans to go on at KXAS, being in such a high-rated market. I know Carson came unglued on the air one night about 5 shortening his show.

Sorry, don't mind my tirade here...I'm going to kick back and take in some "Somerset," then some "Emergency One," then catch up on today's news on "Inside Area 5." Just make sure I'm awake when "The Hollywood Squares" comes on at 6:30. It IS Friday night, right? Sanford, Chico, Rockford and Police Story. Moody, Bloxom, Taft and Ron Spain thereafter.
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I thought I was the only one that noticed this, I'm surprised KXAS has gotten away with this for years and NBC didn't raise any hell over this. I would've expected better from them as a major market NBC affiliate such as Ch. 5, them and WFAA pre-empting American Bandstand on Saturdays and some other show during the week. I remember when KXAS carried Soul Train and the show was never carried at a permanent time, it always floated around on the schedule. If that was the case then why bother even carrying the show. You had all those independent stations in DFW that could've picked up Soul Train and keep it at indefinite time.

There are a couple of the other markets that would like to gripe about as far as pre-empts of network programming but I'll get off my soapbox now ;D
 
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