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When Jay Leno take his first Vacation
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kenrayc
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Jay Leno could use some retooling, more actual comedy would be good and put that part right after the monologue if the have a musical guest ,put it on last like it was before on the Tonight Show.
Another thing the "Green Car" bit is getting really old.I have noticed that Headlines and Jay-Walking is back to where it was on not at the end of the show.
Another thing the "Green Car" bit is getting really old.I have noticed that Headlines and Jay-Walking is back to where it was on not at the end of the show.
I watched one installment of the new Leno show, and one installment only: When Rush Limbaugh appeared as a guest. I thought his turn in the "green car" was a hoot, running over Al Gore... Maybe what Leno needs is Howard Stern to appear as a guest on his show again - remember when he delivered blockbuster ratings for that one episode of Magic Johnson's talk show back in 1998?
By the way, KIFR, my apologies, but... when I first saw the thread title, I was under the impression that djfrresh had started it.
By the way, KIFR, my apologies, but... when I first saw the thread title, I was under the impression that djfrresh had started it.
DToTheJ said:
That was great! And I was shocked to see how Rush looked after the weight he lost this year. You usually don't see conservatives like him on other late night talk shows as much as his liberal counterparts.
kenrayc said:
They're still doing the Green Car Challenge? I haven't watched much of late night talk in months. I kind of got sick of all the usual movie plugs and bad (pro-liberal) jokes from the other late night talk shows. Headlines and Jay-Walking shouldn't have been at the end of the show to begin with. I figure that move and the no desk during interviews deal was just some pathetic attempts to try to distance the new show from the old Tonight Show formula. No matter what order everything goes in, people are still going to refer to his new show as the Tonight Show or Tonight Show part one of the night. Less cramming, less silly "Earn Your Plug" crap, and more interview time is the way to go in my opinion.
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kenrayc
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dhett said:
True ,Where David Letterman shows he leans to the left, With the constant bashing of Sarah Palin, Dick Chaney, and George Bush, but never makes any jokes about President Obama or Joe Biden.
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imhomerjay
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Never makes jokes about Obama or Biden? Please...let's at least try to be realistic.
imhomerjay said:
Most of the "lefty" comedians are careful to include jokes about Obama, and Biden has become a staple...remember that McCain called him "the gift that keeps on giving." Though Biden's clearly not stupid, his bumbling ways have made him the de-facto replacement for George W. Bush.
Jon Stewart skewers the Obama administration constantly - though it's often because he thinks Obama has been too conservative.
A. - President Obama HAS been on the receiving end of jokes from late-night comedians (I can think of a hand full of references to smoke breaks and his beer summits). President Bush was made fun of relentlessly just as Jimmy Carter was laughed at by Johnny Carson in the late 70s/early 80s; and Sarah Palin and John McCain recieved their share of jokes just as the Dukakis ticket received in the late 80s. The difference here is that there are more late night comedians making jokes so it seems amplified.
B. - Anyone who has been watching David Letterman consistantly since the early 80s still finds stirring someone's drink with a pencil funny, no matter who it is that will be drinking out of the cup. It's up there with throwing pumpkins from a roof to watch them smash, and Stupid Pet Tricks - it's the kind of silly funny that Letterman viewers have liked for years and it probably has more to do with his immature sense of humor (which is not a bad thing) than his political leanings.
C. - I haven't heard anyone refer to the Jay Leno Show as the New Tonight Show. He has only been at it for a few months. Remember, at this point when he took over for Johnny Carson, NBC execs were talking about replacing him with Letterman at the end of his first contract. They'll tinker and tweak and try to appeal to the earlier audience. People will either "Stand Up for Jay" (early Tonight Show advertising campaign reference) or they won't, but he needs more than a few months to develop a method that works for an altogether different make-up of audience.
Just my two cents...
B. - Anyone who has been watching David Letterman consistantly since the early 80s still finds stirring someone's drink with a pencil funny, no matter who it is that will be drinking out of the cup. It's up there with throwing pumpkins from a roof to watch them smash, and Stupid Pet Tricks - it's the kind of silly funny that Letterman viewers have liked for years and it probably has more to do with his immature sense of humor (which is not a bad thing) than his political leanings.
C. - I haven't heard anyone refer to the Jay Leno Show as the New Tonight Show. He has only been at it for a few months. Remember, at this point when he took over for Johnny Carson, NBC execs were talking about replacing him with Letterman at the end of his first contract. They'll tinker and tweak and try to appeal to the earlier audience. People will either "Stand Up for Jay" (early Tonight Show advertising campaign reference) or they won't, but he needs more than a few months to develop a method that works for an altogether different make-up of audience.
Just my two cents...
Late night comics make fun of politicians across the board...I don't think there's been any more jokes weighted to any specific party, but it is evident those of the conservative persuasion have developed very thin skins, spurred on by Limbaugh and the rest who seem to see a devious plot to undermine them around every corner. Comedy is not to be taken seriously...I supported Sarah Palin, but I also thought Letterman's routines on her were darn funny, much like my republican dad bust out laughing when Johnny Carson would skewer Ronald Reagan every night.
As for the tinkering with the Leno show....come on, it's a total bust! It's like salvaging the Chevy Chase show at this point. It's worse than a 3rd place finisher...I read recently that Spongebob Squarepants on Nick had higher ratings opposite it. Worse, it has given late nights to CBS on a silver platter. Dave and Craig are beating O'Brian and Fallon in all age groups, including 18-49. This biggest blunder in recent network programming will no doubt, in my opinion, lead to Leno returning to the Tonight Show...we'll see!
As for the tinkering with the Leno show....come on, it's a total bust! It's like salvaging the Chevy Chase show at this point. It's worse than a 3rd place finisher...I read recently that Spongebob Squarepants on Nick had higher ratings opposite it. Worse, it has given late nights to CBS on a silver platter. Dave and Craig are beating O'Brian and Fallon in all age groups, including 18-49. This biggest blunder in recent network programming will no doubt, in my opinion, lead to Leno returning to the Tonight Show...we'll see!
benwolf said:
My issue with political jokes is that they do get old quickly. It's not about thin skins, it about the staleness of the jokes that cause me to take long breaks from watching late night. Also, the constant media plugs from the guests do get tiresome but that's part of the talk show business.
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FreddyE1977
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maybe they could just fill-in with those full-length informercials for the Best of Carson DVD Series?
I heard he was a conservative.dhett said:
As a friendly request, can we keep this discussion apolitical please? Jay Leno's personal politics wasn't part of the oringal topic, and to be honest, I don't see how has anything to do with show's success or failure.
What I think is notable is that, on some nights this season, he's been pre-empted entirely by other shows. That NEVER used to happen when it was the tonight show, which I think, reflects the point that NBC thus far does not give this show the same respect it gave the Tonight show.
I also think the biggest mistake they made was to make the format any different from the tonight show. For example, they should put the desk back. Not having Jay sitting at a desk looks awkward, and it is a distraction. The same can be said of moving some of the bits to the end of the show. NBC has already confirmed they by moving headlines back to where they were, right after the first post-monologue break.
Ed McMahon once said on Letterman that the biggest mistake that was made when Jay Leno took over from Carson was changing the show too much. When Jay took over and made the show his own, the show took off. The same rules apply here. Also, NBC made a big mistake by not allowing stations to run News at 10 and flip Jay to 10:30. Now, Jay is at an odd time, competing not against other shows, but viewing habits entirely. By moving Jay 10:30 or 11, NBC would at least be grabbing some of Fox's viewer. But not now.
What I think is notable is that, on some nights this season, he's been pre-empted entirely by other shows. That NEVER used to happen when it was the tonight show, which I think, reflects the point that NBC thus far does not give this show the same respect it gave the Tonight show.
I also think the biggest mistake they made was to make the format any different from the tonight show. For example, they should put the desk back. Not having Jay sitting at a desk looks awkward, and it is a distraction. The same can be said of moving some of the bits to the end of the show. NBC has already confirmed they by moving headlines back to where they were, right after the first post-monologue break.
Ed McMahon once said on Letterman that the biggest mistake that was made when Jay Leno took over from Carson was changing the show too much. When Jay took over and made the show his own, the show took off. The same rules apply here. Also, NBC made a big mistake by not allowing stations to run News at 10 and flip Jay to 10:30. Now, Jay is at an odd time, competing not against other shows, but viewing habits entirely. By moving Jay 10:30 or 11, NBC would at least be grabbing some of Fox's viewer. But not now.
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