When will KMVN finally be put out of it's misery???

[john77]

So, I see all of the so called know it alls or want to be's got tired of blowing hot air. Movin is still movin --- and on the air. Everyone should be able to put their two cents in --- but most seem to post to this group as if they invented AM and FM radio -- .

How well is that Movin, moving in the ratings? Up a little but it's still mired as one of the lowest rated stations in the market, certainly on FM and is by far the worst programmed station in the history of Los Angeles radio. 3 years and Emmis has lost tens of millions by their moronic moves with this station (plus New York and Chicago, among others). The company won't have much choice soon but to start selling off some of the U.S. properties just to stay afloat. Movin was already on the block before Bonneville decided to buy The Beat at a bargain basement price (which drove L.A. stick prices way downward) instead. So your point is?

I'll give several horribly programmed stations:

KKBT (Rock With A Beat)
KRBV
INDIE
KSCA as a AAA
KQLZ after Scott Shannon left

Those are all good examples, though "Pirate Radio" was pretty much dead when Shannon left anyways. I'm of the opinion that the failure of "Pirate Radio" mostly had to do with Shannon taking it much more rock-edged after it's initial sign on when it was simply a rock-leaning CHR. KIIS reacted admirably to the debut of "Pirate Radio" and re-tooled itself to a much more mainstream balance in a pretty short time. After it's retooling, rock edged tracks like .38 Special's "Second Chance," multiple Guns N' Roses tracks, and Great White's "Once Bitten, Twice Shy" were getting played there... they wouldn't have stood a chance of getting spun at KIIS before Pirate came along.

Rather than trying to keep a balance and continuing to infringe on KIIS' turf, Shannon reacted to KIIS's reaction by taking "Pirate" towards the rock end, eliminating the more mainstream pop stuff that it shared with KIIS (i.e: Martika's "Toy Soldiers", Richard Marx' "Right Here Waiting," Tone-Loc's "Wild Thing" & "Funky Cold Medina," Madonna's "Like A Prayer," etc). Nine months into it's existance, all of those songs were gone. I think this is actually what precipitated it's stumble and eventual downfall... Sadly, Shannon never tried to take "Pirate" back towards the mainstream pop end before he left... and of course after he left, the station completely fell off the edge.

Randy (Kabrich) can probably give you a much more detailed and better explanation for Pirate's failure than I did above though...

 

[radioresearcher]

So, I see all of the so called know it alls or want to be's got tired of blowing hot air. Movin is still movin --- and on the air. Everyone should be able to put their two cents in --- but most seem to post to this group as if they invented AM and FM radio -- .

How well is that Movin, moving in the ratings? Up a little but it's still mired as one of the lowest rated stations in the market, certainly on FM and is by far the worst programmed station in the history of Los Angeles radio. 3 years and Emmis has lost tens of millions by their moronic moves with this station (plus New York and Chicago, among others). The company won't have much choice soon but to start selling off some of the U.S. properties just to stay afloat. Movin was already on the block before Bonneville decided to buy The Beat at a bargain basement price (which drove L.A. stick prices way downward) instead. So your point is?

I'll give several horribly programmed stations:

KKBT (Rock With A Beat)
KRBV
INDIE
KSCA as a AAA
KQLZ after Scott Shannon left

Those are all good examples, though "Pirate Radio" was pretty much dead when Shannon left anyways. I'm of the opinion that the failure of "Pirate Radio" mostly had to do with Shannon taking it much more rock-edged after it's initial sign on when it was simply a rock-leaning CHR. KIIS reacted admirably to the debut of "Pirate Radio" and re-tooled itself to a much more mainstream balance in a pretty short time. After it's retooling, rock edged tracks like .38 Special's "Second Chance," multiple Guns N' Roses tracks, and Great White's "Once Bitten, Twice Shy" were getting played there... they wouldn't have stood a chance of getting spun at KIIS before Pirate came along.

Rather than trying to keep a balance and continuing to infringe on KIIS' turf, Shannon reacted to KIIS's reaction by taking "Pirate" towards the rock end, eliminating the more mainstream pop stuff that it shared with KIIS (i.e: Martika's "Toy Soldiers", Richard Marx' "Right Here Waiting," Tone-Loc's "Wild Thing" & "Funky Cold Medina," Madonna's "Like A Prayer," etc). Nine months into it's existance, all of those songs were gone. I think this is actually what precipitated it's stumble and eventual downfall... Sadly, Shannon never tried to take "Pirate" back towards the mainstream pop end before he left... and of course after he left, the station completely fell off the edge.

Randy (Kabrich) can probably give you a much more detailed and better explanation for Pirate's failure than I did above though...

I believe their plan was to go right after KIIS but WW1 pulled the plug as they were near bankruptcy. I still believe Pirate could've gone Top 40 or held on and evolved to Active Rock - as Nirvana, Soundgarden, and grunge were beginning to hit the scene. Pirate knocked KROQ down to a 2.5 - their lowest numbers in 25 years.

98-7 is now giving KROQ some competition - albiet on the older female side and Jack/L.A. lives off a lot of KROQ gold.

I'm defending Movin' because I think they may be on to something here. In a good economy, they could market their product - so the fact it's growing on a monthly basis with no external resources is very positive. It reminds me of KIIS mid 80's (and a little KKHR too).

The songs are very L.A. and mix Rhythmic, Pop, and New Wave...

I'm guessing you're not a fan of 70's and mostly 80's music - so you may not like the station. It really targets 35-49 year-olds - so if you're out of that demo, probably too young.

 

[AM FM listener]

I was one of those calling for Movin' to go CHR/Pop but now think they are sounding much better. They are "movin" more in the pop/rock direction but still hanging on to some r&b/dance songs, too, giving them a nice rhythmic-pop-new wave blend, as john77 says. I am listening to them more than before.

 

[JimmyJames]

KSCA was not poorly programmed. Indie was well programmed and making decent revenues, until a combination of several factors caused the owners to change the format. But, Indie did a very good job with what it had.

While you may debate if KSCA had enough audience to succeed, the programming wasn't necessarily why. Even the best programmed AAA may simply not have enough listeners in LA.

 

[radioresearcher]

KSCA was not poorly programmed. Indie was well programmed and making decent revenues, until a combination of several factors caused the owners to change the format. But, Indie did a very good job with what it had.

While you may debate if KSCA had enough audience to succeed, the programming wasn't necessarily why. Even the best programmed AAA may simply not have enough listeners in LA.

How can you say Indie was well programmed? It played tons of unfamiliar music - which is suicide when you are trying to achieve ratings. KRCD and KDLD have similar signal patterns. KRCV does have a much better signal than KDLE -much KRCD alone is somewhere in the 1.5-2.0 share range - while Indie was around a 0.4. It's a matter of programming the right product.

I don't disagree about AAA in L.A. Putting on the format in this market is a risk for anyone. I consider the folks Bonneville has as very good at what they do.

Indie fans want to blame PPM. Indie wasn't spectactular in the diary. People want to hear songs they know - that is fundamental programming 101 and Indie broke that rule. In a PPM world, unfamiliar=the end.

 

[BossJock1947]

You mean the "all new" Movin 93.9?

I listened yesterday (Saturday) for a while, The mix of songs was bizarre, and the commercial load was Stern-like ... at least 10 minute stop sets.

No wonder no one listens.

Bizarre is the right word for it... take a look at the 10PM hour tonight for example:

10:59 PM JOHNNY NASH I Can See Clearly Now Epic
10:54 PM GAP BAND You Dropped A Bomb On Me Total Experience
10:50 PM KLYMAXX Meeting In The Ladies Room MCA
10:41 PM OHIO PLAYERS Fire Westbound
10:37 PM VICKIE SUE ROBINSON Turn The Beat Around Independent
10:33 PM BERLIN The Metro Geffen
10:30 PM DONNA SUMMER Last Dance Casablanca
10:17 PM BENNY MARDONES Into The Night Poly./PLG
10:13 PM ERIC BURDON & WAR Spill The Wine MGM
10:07 PM KIM WILDE You Keep Me Hangin' On MCA
10:03 PM CHIC Le Freak Atlantic
10:00 PM SANTANA Black Magic Woman Columbia

Not a heck of a lot of flow there...

That's alan burns for ya. He didn't understand the dance/R&B 20 years ago and still doesn't today. But boy does he know how to make a turd smell like a rose in presenting his formats to clueless GM's.

 

[radioresearcher]

You mean the "all new" Movin 93.9?

I listened yesterday (Saturday) for a while, The mix of songs was bizarre, and the commercial load was Stern-like ... at least 10 minute stop sets.

No wonder no one listens.

Bizarre is the right word for it... take a look at the 10PM hour tonight for example:

10:59 PM JOHNNY NASH I Can See Clearly Now Epic
10:54 PM GAP BAND You Dropped A Bomb On Me Total Experience
10:50 PM KLYMAXX Meeting In The Ladies Room MCA
10:41 PM OHIO PLAYERS Fire Westbound
10:37 PM VICKIE SUE ROBINSON Turn The Beat Around Independent
10:33 PM BERLIN The Metro Geffen
10:30 PM DONNA SUMMER Last Dance Casablanca
10:17 PM BENNY MARDONES Into The Night Poly./PLG
10:13 PM ERIC BURDON & WAR Spill The Wine MGM
10:07 PM KIM WILDE You Keep Me Hangin' On MCA
10:03 PM CHIC Le Freak Atlantic
10:00 PM SANTANA Black Magic Woman Columbia

Not a heck of a lot of flow there...

That's alan burns for ya. He didn't understand the dance/R&B 20 years ago and still doesn't today. But boy does he know how to make a turd smell like a rose in presenting his formats to clueless GM's.

1) That log you just put up was 3 months old.
2) Music is completely different now - 70's Jammin' Oldies are primarily gone.
3) Alan Burns doesn't consult KMVN - they only licensed the name.

 

[4UH8SIMBKAGN]

So, I see all of the so called know it alls or want to be's got tired of blowing hot air. Movin is still movin --- and on the air. Everyone should be able to put their two cents in --- but most seem to post to this group as if they invented AM and FM radio -- .

How well is that Movin, moving in the ratings? Up a little but it's still mired as one of the lowest rated stations in the market, certainly on FM and is by far the worst programmed station in the history of Los Angeles radio. 3 years and Emmis has lost tens of millions by their moronic moves with this station (plus New York and Chicago, among others). The company won't have much choice soon but to start selling off some of the U.S. properties just to stay afloat. Movin was already on the block before Bonneville decided to buy The Beat at a bargain basement price (which drove L.A. stick prices way downward) instead. So your point is?

I'll give several horribly programmed stations:

KKBT (Rock With A Beat)
KRBV
INDIE
KSCA as a AAA
KQLZ after Scott Shannon left

Those are all good examples, though "Pirate Radio" was pretty much dead when Shannon left anyways. I'm of the opinion that the failure of "Pirate Radio" mostly had to do with Shannon taking it much more rock-edged after it's initial sign on when it was simply a rock-leaning CHR. KIIS reacted admirably to the debut of "Pirate Radio" and re-tooled itself to a much more mainstream balance in a pretty short time. After it's retooling, rock edged tracks like .38 Special's "Second Chance," multiple Guns N' Roses tracks, and Great White's "Once Bitten, Twice Shy" were getting played there... they wouldn't have stood a chance of getting spun at KIIS before Pirate came along.

Rather than trying to keep a balance and continuing to infringe on KIIS' turf, Shannon reacted to KIIS's reaction by taking "Pirate" towards the rock end, eliminating the more mainstream pop stuff that it shared with KIIS (i.e: Martika's "Toy Soldiers", Richard Marx' "Right Here Waiting," Tone-Loc's "Wild Thing" & "Funky Cold Medina," Madonna's "Like A Prayer," etc). Nine months into it's existance, all of those songs were gone. I think this is actually what precipitated it's stumble and eventual downfall... Sadly, Shannon never tried to take "Pirate" back towards the mainstream pop end before he left... and of course after he left, the station completely fell off the edge.

Randy (Kabrich) can probably give you a much more detailed and better explanation for Pirate's failure than I did above though...

I believe their plan was to go right after KIIS but WW1 pulled the plug as they were near bankruptcy. I still believe Pirate could've gone Top 40 or held on and evolved to Active Rock - as Nirvana, Soundgarden, and grunge were beginning to hit the scene. Pirate knocked KROQ down to a 2.5 - their lowest numbers in 25 years.

98-7 is now giving KROQ some competition - albiet on the older female side and Jack/L.A. lives off a lot of KROQ gold.

I'm defending Movin' because I think they may be on to something here. In a good economy, they could market their product - so the fact it's growing on a monthly basis with no external resources is very positive. It reminds me of KIIS mid 80's (and a little KKHR too).

The songs are very L.A. and mix Rhythmic, Pop, and New Wave...

I'm guessing you're not a fan of 70's and mostly 80's music - so you may not like the station. It really targets 35-49 year-olds - so if you're out of that demo, probably too young.

No 80's station has worked in any major city in the U.S. and it isn't going to work here either. A short playlist of tired oldies that I can hear on a best of the 80's cd (I especially hate Movin's editing of song intros that just plain get on my nerves). Poor jocks with Rick Dees at the top of that list (he peaked 20 years ago and needs to retire fast).

The ratings for Movin are not any higher today than just after they hit the air. They just sunk even lower over time and have rebounded slightly. Nothing to crow about. Considering what your morning "star" use to be in this town, it's quite embarassing.

Emmis isn't marketing it. The economy isn't going to get better. This station has no future. What will it be next week is a better question.

Emmis should have done what 98.7 did and it could actually be something now. Not this. Not ever. A poor version of the old KBIG...

BTW, WW1's plan was to be a Hot AC/Adult CHR to the right of KIIS...

 

[JoshuaEscandon]

Here is a station that I think I could breathe some fresh ideas into! Great concept, you have Rick Dees in the Morning, (the best), and all kinds of vibe to the station. I would make a few tweaks and it could get Moving closer to #1.



Joshua Escandon.com

 

[bossguy65]

I was just listening this weekend. I think they improved their power. Now I can get them anywhere in Santa Clarita, clear signal. What happened? I like the totally 80s weekend. They're playing a lot of tunes I haven't heard in years and with few commercials.

 

[radioresearcher]

I was just listening this weekend. I think they improved their power. Now I can get them anywhere in Santa Clarita, clear signal. What happened? I like the totally 80s weekend. They're playing a lot of tunes I haven't heard in years and with few commercials.

They just got their booster in Santa Clarita two weeks ago.

 

[john77]

I guess the answer to this question now is... "not anytime soon." They had their chance and in another 43+ hours, it's going to be gone.