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Where does WKLU get it's traffic information?

D

DeVasher

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What is the source of the traffic information Libby reads during her traffic report?

I don't hear the barter spot from Metro Networks.

I wonder are they:

A. Paying cash to Metro Networks for the material?
B. Swiping it from Metro?
C. Rebroadcasting information from another radio station?
D. Rebroadcasting information from a local TV station that they are playing in the studio?

If the answer is C or D; do they have permission?

I think they do news also...where are those stories obtained?
 
do you suppose they are actually stealing traffic reports? That is so 90's. With the mutiple sources of credible traffic services available today there is no excuse for boot legging.
 
If you turn on the IndyStar traffic cams, or WTHR.com traffic cams, see a backup and report that, do you have to give them credit? At what point is it 'public information?'
 
There's this thing called the internet it has a bunch of stuff on it you should check it out
 
GetOffMyLawn said:
There's this thing called the internet it has a bunch of stuff on it you should check it out

There's also this thing called theft. (in the real world you go to jail, or get sued)

There's also this thing called Plagiarism (in college you get expelled)

They are sort of cousins.

Are you saying WKLU is getting traffic report information off the internet and claiming it as their own work?
 
DeVasher said:
GetOffMyLawn said:
There's this thing called the internet it has a bunch of stuff on it you should check it out

There's also this thing called theft. (in the real world you go to jail, or get sued)

There's also this thing called Plagiarism (in college you get expelled)

They are sort of cousins.

Are you saying WKLU is getting traffic report information off the internet and claiming it as their own work?

No, I think he was saying do some research.
 
BSURadioGeek said:
DeVasher said:
GetOffMyLawn said:
There's this thing called the internet it has a bunch of stuff on it you should check it out

There's also this thing called theft. (in the real world you go to jail, or get sued)

There's also this thing called Plagiarism (in college you get expelled)

They are sort of cousins.

Are you saying WKLU is getting traffic report information off the internet and claiming it as their own work?

No, I think he was saying do some research.

BSURadioGeek You must have dropped the business ethics class at Ball State and forgot to add something.

I did some research...here is a sampling from the copyright notices from several sources that provide traffic information on the internet for Indianapolis:

Trademark and Copyright Information
This Web Site is owned by Traffic.com, Inc. The contents of this Web Site are ©2007 Traffic.com, Inc. All rights reserved. Traffic.com, Inc., and all logos, artwork, stories, information, names and other elements associated thereto are the sole and exclusive property of Traffic.com, Inc. The sale, auction, loan, lease, gift, trade, barter or use of any of the text, graphics, photographs, audio and/or video materials or stills from any materials contained on this Web Site for any purpose other than for private, non-commercial viewing purposes without the prior written consent of Traffic.com, Inc. is strictly prohibited. The creation of derivative works based on the materials contained on this Web Site including, without limitation, products, services, icons, logos, link buttons, wallpaper, desktop themes, and unlicensed merchandise is expressly prohibited. All other names are trademarks and/or registered trademarks of their respective owners.

Restrictions on Use
You may use the Web Site, the Service and the Content solely for your personal, non-commercial use. You may download, print and store selected portions of the Content, provided that you
only use these copies of the Content for your own personal, non-commercial use;
do not copy or post the Content on any network computer or transmit, distribute, publish or broadcast the Content in any media, including without limitation, a Web site; and
do not modify or alter the Content in any way, or delete or change any copyright or trademark notice

How You May Not Use the Service.In using the service, you may not:
use the service in a way that harms us or our affiliates, resellers, distributors, and/or vendors (collectively, the “Microsoft parties”), or any customer of a Microsoft party;
use any portion of the service as a destination linked from any unsolicited bulk messages or unsolicited commercial messages (“spam”);
use any unauthorized third party software or service to access the Microsoft instant messaging network (currently known as the .NET Messenger service);
use any automated process or service to access and/or use the service (such as a BOT, a spider, periodic caching of information stored by Microsoft, or “meta-searching”);
use any unauthorized means to modify or reroute, or attempt to modify or reroute, the service;
damage, disable, overburden, or impair the service (or the network(s) connected to the service) or interfere with anyone’s use and enjoyment of the service; or
resell or redistribute the service, or any part of the service.
 
DeVasher said:
BSURadioGeek You must have dropped the business ethics class at Ball State and forgot to add something.

I did some research...here is a sampling from the copyright notices from several sources that provide traffic information on the internet for Indianapolis:

Trademark and Copyright Information
This Web Site is owned by Traffic.com, Inc. The contents of this Web Site are ©2007 Traffic.com, Inc. All rights reserved. Traffic.com, Inc., and all logos, artwork, stories, information, names and other elements associated thereto are the sole and exclusive property of Traffic.com, Inc. The sale, auction, loan, lease, gift, trade, barter or use of any of the text, graphics, photographs, audio and/or video materials or stills from any materials contained on this Web Site for any purpose other than for private, non-commercial viewing purposes without the prior written consent of Traffic.com, Inc. is strictly prohibited. The creation of derivative works based on the materials contained on this Web Site including, without limitation, products, services, icons, logos, link buttons, wallpaper, desktop themes, and unlicensed merchandise is expressly prohibited. All other names are trademarks and/or registered trademarks of their respective owners.

Restrictions on Use
You may use the Web Site, the Service and the Content solely for your personal, non-commercial use. You may download, print and store selected portions of the Content, provided that you
only use these copies of the Content for your own personal, non-commercial use;
do not copy or post the Content on any network computer or transmit, distribute, publish or broadcast the Content in any media, including without limitation, a Web site; and
do not modify or alter the Content in any way, or delete or change any copyright or trademark notice

How You May Not Use the Service.In using the service, you may not:
use the service in a way that harms us or our affiliates, resellers, distributors, and/or vendors (collectively, the “Microsoft parties”), or any customer of a Microsoft party;
use any portion of the service as a destination linked from any unsolicited bulk messages or unsolicited commercial messages (“spam”);
use any unauthorized third party software or service to access the Microsoft instant messaging network (currently known as the .NET Messenger service);
use any automated process or service to access and/or use the service (such as a BOT, a spider, periodic caching of information stored by Microsoft, or “meta-searching”);
use any unauthorized means to modify or reroute, or attempt to modify or reroute, the service;
damage, disable, overburden, or impair the service (or the network(s) connected to the service) or interfere with anyone’s use and enjoyment of the service; or
resell or redistribute the service, or any part of the service.

You can split hairs - but unlike a breaking news story, traffic is kind of a "common knowledge" thing. How can Traffic.com PROVE the info came from there as opposed to a listener calling it in?

When there is a wreck on the road, an 'exclusive, credited' source is not necessary.

That's the same as looking out a window, seeing the snow, and having to credit the NWS with the observation because they officially list "SNOW SHOWERS" on their website.

To me, this absolutely a NON-ISSUE! And you know if I thought it was - I'd be the first to be all over it. Who cares if they get their info from listening to another radio station or service - if I was going to do a station on the cheap, I wouldn't pay for traffic info either ;D
 
People have been known to use bogus information to see if it's being stolen by others. You can make up a location that doesn't exist and see if the other party bites on it.
 
bigtime said:
People have been known to use bogus information to see if it's being stolen by others. You can make up a location that doesn't exist and see if the other party bites on it.

You mean like a couple weeks ago when X103 reported stopped interstate traffic on I-465 between Southport Road and Keystone Avenue (not even close to possible).

But you're saying WIBC would give false traffic info on purpose, then start scanning the dial to see what station will bite? What's the point, other than inter-office 'gotcha?' What do you do about it when you 'catch' someone? Turn them into the 'traffic cops?' Does the FCC care? Likely not.
 
RadioHo...you're right it is not a big issue. But it is stealing. If they steal the little stuff...what about the big stuff? It is all about business ethics, something that station seems a little short on.

Would you want to do business with someone who steals their raw materials?
 
DeVasher said:
RadioHo...you're right it is not a big issue. But it is stealing. If they steal the little stuff...what about the big stuff? It is all about business ethics, something that station seems a little short on.

The one thing we KNOW they're not stealing from other stations is LISTENERS - HA! (Sorry, I had to.)
 
Don't know that it is so much an FCC concern as opposed to a business practices concern. Professionalism should still be the rule of the road...so to speak.
 
what I was trying to say was

traffic and news is all over the internet for the taking
 
GetOffMyLawn said:
what I was trying to say was

traffic and news is all over the internet for the taking

What I was trying to say; most of the stuff found on the internet regarding traffic is protected by copyright. I suspect WKLU is using copyrighted works without the permission of the copyright holder. It fits the general image and reputation of the station and its owner.
 
Well you can copyright just about anything I guess. But, getting a judgement might be something
else. Try to make any court understand that a traffic accident or tornado is somehow your
property. Nobody owns the news after it is made public. Just put it in your own words and
your butt is covered.
 
Ur-A-Dawg said:
Well you can copyright just about anything I guess. But, getting a judgement might be something
else. Try to make any court understand that a traffic accident or tornado is somehow your
property. Nobody owns the news after it is made public. Just put it in your own words and
your butt is covered.

Dawg (is that a Butler reference?) - I think technically, someones DOES own the news, even after it's made public. For instance, if IBC runs a news story, naming an individual arrested for an offense, and another stations runs that 'news' item without verifiable sources, they MUST cite IBC as the source, or face legal action if the accusation is proven to be false information.

I agree with DeVasher that it's unethical to steal traffic info - and the longer term damage is if ALL stations adopted the theory that traffic was something they could steal from other stations - who would pay for it and what would happen to the traffic service? So, why should WIBC/Q95 pay for WKLU's traffic reports?

It's the same as the low-life who steals from the office candy box - ruining the honor system for everyone. It speaks volumes about the guy who won't pony up the .50 - because he doesn't have to. It's the act of a Very selfish, arrogant, childish, unethical little person.

Bottom line - Is anyone surprised?
 
radioho said:
Ur-A-Dawg said:
Well you can copyright just about anything I guess. But, getting a judgement might be something
else. Try to make any court understand that a traffic accident or tornado is somehow your
property. Nobody owns the news after it is made public. Just put it in your own words and
your butt is covered.

Dawg (is that a Butler reference?) - I think technically, someones DOES own the news, even after it's made public. For instance, if IBC runs a news story, naming an individual arrested for an offense, and another stations runs that 'news' item without verifiable sources, they MUST cite IBC as the source, or face legal action if the accusation is proven to be false information.

I agree with DeVasher that it's unethical to steal traffic info - and the longer term damage is if ALL stations adopted the theory that traffic was something they could steal from other stations - who would pay for it and what would happen to the traffic service? So, why should WIBC/Q95 pay for WKLU's traffic reports?

It's the same as the low-life who steals from the office candy box - ruining the honor system for everyone. It speaks volumes about the guy who won't pony up the .50 - because he doesn't have to. It's the act of a Very selfish, arrogant, childish, unethical little person.

Bottom line - Is anyone surprised?

Well said
 
DeVasher said:
GetOffMyLawn said:
what I was trying to say was

traffic and news is all over the internet for the taking

What I was trying to say; most of the stuff found on the internet regarding traffic is protected by copyright. I suspect WKLU is using copyrighted works without the permission of the copyright holder. It fits the general image and reputation of the station and its owner.

Speaking of business ethics, do you have any proof to back up your accusation, or are you just making statements you can't back up? And whether Russ is beyond reproach or not, he doesn't want to sully his moneymaker before he sells it, does he?

Let's keep these forums for REAL radio news, not wild accusations.
 
Traffic info gathering is not difficult if you have a police scanner and a few police phone numbers to local traffic public information offices.
 
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