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Where will the ALT 92.3 Refugees Go? Options?

Is anyone listening to Alt 92.3 HD2 (either over the air or online)? I listen only occasionally to the Alt format, but I like many of the songs that this channel is playing.
I'm listening and I agree with both you and Mets18.

Ironically the music mix sounds great now that they stopped tampering with it. Sounds like they've plugged in a normal playlist of proven alternative hits like you'd see in Mediabase, with a sensible ratio of new songs to gold and recurrents. Who could have guessed not overthinking the music mix would work so well?
 
While it wouldn't amount to much - I wish Audacy would add a few more HD subchannel rock stations to the mix - one can replace the 102.7 HD3 one left behind by 1010WINS. Would also be nice if IHeart put back the rock format that they had (and I enjoyed) on 104.3 HD2 or HD3. I know that particular station is gone (it was called The Alternative Project) but IHeart must have others they can plug in 'on the cheap'. They can use it to plug thier respective apps.
They don't even have an HD-2 on Z100. It's just a rebroadcast of HD-1 it's off by about 30 seconds. They should put pride radio on 100.3 HD-2 and put Dance on 103.5 HD-2 or on KTU HD-1 then they'd really be the BEAT of New York. Q104.3 HD-3 should be the Alternative Project. Put Country on HD-3 on KTU as WYNY.
 
This has all been discussed adnosuem across the different market forums. Big A said it best a while back, the companies have to pay for a license to broadcast on HD. So, all the items that you want are already available and offered in multiple formats across the streaming apps. Boston has limited offerings, compared to 10 years ago on analog and HD. Before making the jump to satellite, I would stream Alt 98.7 out of Los Angeles. For rock, it was either WJRR out of Orlando, WAAF (an HD-2 zombie Jukebox owned by Audacy, just like the Alt brand in New York) out of Boston, or WRIF out of Detroit. You get greater variety and options off the apps than you ever would with an HD Radio in a single market, and note that the install base for most is much easier than having to get a new car or buy a specific HD Radio. Most people have a cellphone, and just need to download the app.
 
Another rock station on 104.3 HD3? Rock performed so poorly when it was on "regular" radio, it's hard to imagine a scenario where a sane person would launch a second HD rock station. There isn't enough interest in one rock station, let alone two!

Just stream what you want.
 
Would WYNY-HD3 be legal for the New York subchannel, or would it have to be WYNY-FM-HD3? (Oh boy, a call-letters sub-thread! Always a welcome diversion from a tired topic!)
Anybody that would be a likely target audience for a country station would have no memory of WYNY.
 
Still appalling and embarrassing NYC the LARGEST market in the country can't get a current based rock station or a country station. Smaller cities have more variety than NYC!
Markets get what markets will support. For example, the reason why there is no country station is that each effort over the decades... going back to WHN... has produced lower and lower audience shares. And local advertisers don't seem to want to buy on those stations in recent decades.

You can't get a station owner to put on a format that won't make money when there are more profitable alternatives
 
Markets get what markets will support. For example, the reason why there is no country station is that each effort over the decades... going back to WHN... has produced lower and lower audience shares. And local advertisers don't seem to want to buy on those stations in recent decades.

You can't get a station owner to put on a format that won't make money when there are more profitable alternatives
And the way country music is evolving makes it even less likely it will ever return. What doesn't sound more like rock sounds more like traditional country, with plenty of steel guitar and "hillbilly" twangy vocals. It couldn't sound any less New York if the bass guitarists and drummers were replaced guys in bib overalls blowing on moonshine jugs and scrubbing on washboards.
 
And the way country music is evolving makes it even less likely it will ever return. What doesn't sound more like rock sounds more like traditional country, with plenty of steel guitar and "hillbilly" twangy vocals. It couldn't sound any less New York if the bass guitarists and drummers were replaced guys in bib overalls blowing on moonshine jugs and scrubbing on washboards.
If you are trying to appeal solely to certain ethic groups in the city and no one else then it would be problematic. That does not mean white people in the city or region that are in significant number do not watch and listen to content related to country living.

One could also say there is a bit of too much stereotyping going on that all non-white demographic groups only want to listen to Rhythmic formats and nothing else. If that is the case then lets forgo any pretense and just put HOT 97 and WBLS like formats on every channel in the city and see how that works out. Of course the results would be far worse than catering to the demographic of listeners that prefer country.
 
Markets get what markets will support. For example, the reason why there is no country station is that each effort over the decades... going back to WHN... has produced lower and lower audience shares. And local advertisers don't seem to want to buy on those stations in recent decades.

You can't get a station owner to put on a format that won't make money when there are more profitable alternatives
Music on AM was a problem with WHN. WKHK would be a better example, doing about as well as WNYL. I wonder what WKHK was billing though.
 
Music on AM was a problem with WHN. WKHK would be a better example, doing about as well as WNYL. I wonder what WKHK was billing though.
WHN, despite being AM, had the higest ratings and billing of any of the instances. And it was active when AM was still acceptable, at lest to those over 30... and back then, the country average age was older anyway.
 
Do CHR and A/C stations in New York play less Country crossover songs than in most other places? I hear an occasional Country current on nearby hot A/C Star 99.9 WEZN, in CT. I don't recall hearing one on WNEW 102.7.
Hot A/C The Pulse on satellite radio plays quite a few.
 
WHN, despite being AM, had the higest ratings and billing of any of the instances. And it was active when AM was still acceptable, at least to those over 30... and back then, the country average age was older anyway.
I was in my teens when I listened to WHN. After WHN became WFAN in 1987, I went on to listen to a few other AM music stations for several more years. Since I began subscribing to XM in 2003, I haven't listened to an AM music radio station on a regular basis.
 
Do CHR and A/C stations in New York play less Country crossover songs than in most other places? I hear an occasional Country current on nearby hot A/C Star 99.9 WEZN, in CT. I don't recall hearing one on WNEW 102.7.
Hot A/C The Pulse on satellite radio plays quite a few.
New York AC and CHR stations are among the nation's most conservative when it comes to adding songs, especially ones outside the established comfort zone of the format. A country crossover would need to be a monster hit in smaller markets nationwide in order to get a spin in New York. This was true way back in the WABC days. If Morgan Wallen or Luke Combs is being played in Knoxville and Austin but not Portland and Baltimore, it's of no interest to New York radio; in fact, it probably wouldn't be of interest even if Boston and Cleveland were playing it, just as long as significant numbers of markets are ignoring the song.
 
I wonder what WKHK was billing though.

Obviously not very well, since it lasted less than 4 years and flipped to what is now WLTW, one of the top billers.

The day WKHK flipped to light rock in 1984, a low rated AC, WYNY flipped to country. It remained country until 1996.
 
New York AC and CHR stations are among the nation's most conservative when it comes to adding songs, especially ones outside the established comfort zone of the format. A country crossover would need to be a monster hit in smaller markets nationwide in order to get a spin in New York. This was true way back in the WABC days. If Morgan Wallen or Luke Combs is being played in Knoxville and Austin but not Portland and Baltimore, it's of no interest to New York radio; in fact, it probably wouldn't be of interest even if Boston and Cleveland were playing it, just as long as significant numbers of markets are ignoring the song.
New York has a high foreign-born population, so that could explain why country crossovers do not do as well on pop radio. (Ditto with Miami, and probably Los Angeles and San Francisco.)
 
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