Where's The Rock on CHR?

[XCountry285]

Any signs of a major return of impact of rock on the charts? I feel there's NO variety on the charts right now. Half the artists are new or sound the same. If only we jumped on Wiz Khlafia before this we would have had his sound, I'm getting sick of Black Eyed Peas, Katy Perry, and the likes. I feel every song on the chart is either a rhythmic pop, dance track. I can barely stand to listen any longer. How many Rihanna, Katy Perry, Bruno Mars, Usher songs will they play an hour? I miss it when we had stuff from Panic! At The Disco if anyones playing their new track, Yellowcard same with them they got a new song!, Fall Out Boy, Nickelback, Daughtry, Kings of Leon, Linkin Park, Blink 182, Hinder, All American Rejects. Where have all the rock songs gone too?
I know people are sick of it or were. But it's been too long without Rock on the charts

 

[The Outsider]

To each their own. I think CHR is the best it has probably ever sounded. But I am biased in favor of rhythmic cuts and don't care for a lot of rock.

 

[xyz]

To each their own. I think CHR is the best it has probably ever sounded. But I am biased in favor of rhythmic cuts and don't care for a lot of rock.

@@@@@@@ I agree. I believe current CHR focus wisely reflects it's actual demos. Most CHR listeners will likely "mature" into an AC or country format. Modern CHR music is consistent and compatible with this evolution.

 

[atlantaboy]

There are actually a slew of rock (or rock-influence pop) songs in the 20s, 30s, and 40s on the CHR chart right now - how far they go is probably gonna depend on whether the larger markets give them a chance (and the number of Rhythmic stations reporting to the mainstream CHR panel, but that's a topic I probably shouldn't get into again lol)

Z100 did just add For The First Time by the Script (I know it's not really "rock", but at least it's a step in that direction)

Here's what it looks like though...
23 19 AVRIL LAVIGNE What The Hell 3920 3069 851 21.753
27 23 CHRISTINA PERRI Jar Of Hearts 2876 2510 366 14.543
28 25 LINKIN PARK Waiting For The End 2282 2155 127 10.596
30 29 TRAIN Marry Me 1852 1673 179 8.116
31 30 PLAIN WHITE T'S Rhythm Of Love 1792 1558 234 8.167
37 33 THE SCRIPT For The First Time 1411 1015 396 5.362
43 40 MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE Sing 774 625 149 1.937
47 44 THIRTY SECONDS TO MARS Closer To The Edge 578 427 151 1.657

 

[XCountry285]

Rhythmic leaning, adult leaning it's still CHR.

 

[atlantaboy]

Rhythmic leaning, adult leaning it's still CHR.

"Rhythmic leaning" = MOST of the songs on the playlist are on the Rhythmic chart
"Rhythmic" = ALL of the songs on the playlist are on the Rhythmic chart

 

[Dkampy]

I agree with Atlantaboy what is going on between the 40's and 20's....I feel that there is potential for a good balance on the charts...The problem standing in the way is the Rhythmic stations on the CHR panel...They are fast to add Rhythmic songs...which cause them to rise fast on the charts...other stations which watch the charts closely see the Rhythmic songs rising fast out the gate then add those songs themselves. I believe Linkin Park's "waiting for the End" would become a bigger hit if it was not for this.

I don't buy the demos are only listening to Rhythmic songs. My nephew(who is in high school) and his friends really dig Mumford and Sons. Which album and the digital song of "Little Lion Man" have both sold really well. Thus I don't think it is just their clique. But Yet CHR will not touch it...I don't think it could ever become a # 1 hit or even top 10...but if CHR was ran the way it was set up to...it would reach top 30...by the way this same group also has Enrique Iglesias and Trey Songs on thier Ipods.

Florence and the Machine is another one....became a top 10 download...yet chr will not touch it. I even think Paper Tounges "Get Higher"could have potential if given a chance.

I am not a person who is going by taste...I would be saying the opposite if the charts were all rock and no Rhythmic. I just like balance for CHR/Mainstream.

 

[XCountry285]

i like balance i just can't stand CHR radio now.They keep missing good aritsts: Travie McCoy ONLY had Billionaire played. His others weren't played. Need You was dropped and it was really really good even in concert! 3OH!3 only one song from them hit, Linkin Park isn't stranger to the CHR charts neither is Sick Puppies "All The Same" MCR "Welcome to the black parade" Teenagers, Kings of Leon "Sex on Fire" now they have "Pyro" Radioactive, Yellowcard "For you and your denial" "Ocean Avenue" Panic! At The Disco "I write sins not tragidies," "The ballad of mona lisa"

 

[CHRles]

Wow guys, obsessed much?
I too can talk about some nephew, or some aunt, or some neighbor's dogs, or how 900 friends of mine on Facebook really like diversity in their music.
It won't change the fact that Pop radio stations go by what the majority of their listeners prefer to hear on their local stations.
And for f*ck's sake, give radio programmers more credit when adding a song. They don't just snub off some of these Rock songs b/c they're not climbing as fast on the charts. They may be good or decent songs, and I bet some of the Rhythmic leaning PDs really dig Rock music, but they run a business. The business isnt about educating the masses but rather giving the audience what it wants, especially at a time when the audience has access to all the new music out there, and can find out any record on their own.

 

[Starbucks]

Yes there has been more R&B leaning songs on the chart....but really that's why there is a chart called HOT AC. Since the mid 80's -90's the charts have been more of a marketing plot for demographics more then judging the nation as a whole on what song or artist his hot.
Hot AC is a sub -species of CHR/TOP 40. Then it became marketed as whole for 25 + and let the teens have their own thing going for CHR.
Sheryl Crow, Goo Goo Dolls, Linkin Park, Pink, Nickleback, etc. all had their start on CHR as far as sales and airplay concerned. Then eventually crossed over to Hot AC, but still getting their chart merits on CHR. Now you see theses artist being exiled to HOT AC after charting for 8-10 years or after. Yes some of them will still crossover to CHR on a delayed basis, or end up stiffing on the lower part of the chart. It just shows you where the balance is between teen and twenty something, and who jumps or adds what songs where and when to the playlist. Younger people like to dance and Usher is for them while 25 or older start preferring rock and pop. Their both CHR except Hot AC becomes a marketing supplement to CHR for radio airplay. Look for Brittany Spears to start charting on HOT AC before CHR in another year or so.

 

[justpassingthough]

Yes there has been more R&B leaning songs on the chart....but really that's why there is a chart called HOT AC. Since the mid 80's -90's the charts have been more of a marketing plot for demographics more then judging the nation as a whole on what song or artist his hot.
Hot AC is a sub -species of CHR/TOP 40. Then it became marketed as whole for 25 + and let the teens have their own thing going for CHR.
Sheryl Crow, Goo Goo Dolls, Linkin Park, Pink, Nickleback, etc. all had their start on CHR as far as sales and airplay concerned. Then eventually crossed over to Hot AC, but still getting their chart merits on CHR. Now you see theses artist being exiled to HOT AC after charting for 8-10 years or after. Yes some of them will still crossover to CHR on a delayed basis, or end up stiffing on the lower part of the chart. It just shows you where the balance is between teen and twenty something, and who jumps or adds what songs where and when to the playlist. Younger people like to dance and Usher is for them while 25 or older start preferring rock and pop. Their both CHR except Hot AC becomes a marketing supplement to CHR for radio airplay. Look for Brittany Spears to start charting on HOT AC before CHR in another year or so.

I agree with most everything you said. Britney Spears probably won't chart at Hot AC before CHR next year. Given the electro feel of "Hold It Against Me", and rumors that Rusko is producing her next album, its highly likely that she will stay a CHR and/or rhythmic artist.

 

[atlantaboy]

Wow guys, obsessed much?
I too can talk about some nephew, or some aunt, or some neighbor's dogs, or how 900 friends of mine on Facebook really like diversity in their music.
It won't change the fact that Pop radio stations go by what the majority of their listeners prefer to hear on their local stations.
And for f*ck's sake, give radio programmers more credit when adding a song. They don't just snub off some of these Rock songs b/c they're not climbing as fast on the charts. They may be good or decent songs, and I bet some of the Rhythmic leaning PDs really dig Rock music, but they run a business. The business isnt about educating the masses but rather giving the audience what it wants, especially at a time when the audience has access to all the new music out there, and can find out any record on their own.

I think there are a lot of new CHRs with PDs that are playing it "safe" (someone else posted this in another thread - can't remember which one - but right now, rock isn't as "safe" as Kesha/GaGa/Katy Perry) - if you look at the stations which have added Thirty Seconds To Mars, I think every one of them has been around for decades (WNCI, WPRO, WKRZ. etc,), and don't have to worry about rock-averse listeners changing the station

It does make me really suspicious though (of all these Rhythmic-leaning markets) cause Kiss/Seattle can add tons of rock songs and maintain huge ratings in their market - I know Alternative is huge in Seattle, but it's just really hard for me to believe that the musical taste of 18-34 year olds in Seattle is that completely opposite the musical taste of 18-34 year olds in all the markets ignoring rock...and same with WXXL/Orlando, a market which really doesn't have much of a rock heritage at all

I also think there are A LOT of Rhythmic stations on the CHR panel (not "Rhythmic-leaning", but "Rhythmic", as in every song on their playlist is on the Rhythmic chart) - of course a station like WBVD/Melbourne isn't gonna play any pop/rock, cause it's a Rhythmic alternative to WAOA - but I guess from reading other posts, marketing yourself as a CHR has its advantages, either because it's more PPM-friendly or because advertisers are somehow fooled into thinking its listeners are wealthier

 

[atlantaboy]

It just shows you where the balance is between teen and twenty something, and who jumps or adds what songs where and when to the playlist. Younger people like to dance and Usher is for them while 25 or older start preferring rock and pop.

I'm really not sure this is true - the whole Alternative/Indie movement is completely teen-based - the problem I think is there is a huge split in musical taste between kids that like Indie and kids that like Kesha and Katy Perry, and I think CHR PDs are afraid to mix the two together

It's true that 90s/early 2000s bands like Lifehouse and the Goo Goo Dolls don't appeal to teens, but I think it has less to do with teens not liking rock and more to do with teens not liking music that their parents listen to

 

[Starbucks]

It's true that 90s/early 2000s bands like Lifehouse and the Goo Goo Dolls don't appeal to teens, but I think it has less to do with teens not liking rock and more to do with teens not liking music that their parents listen to


>>>>Lifehouse and Goo Goo Dolls are not that old and they are still currently active. The parents who listen or grew up with those bands would be raising children maybe as old as 4 years old the most if that. Do the math. (LOL)

I'm really not sure this is true - the whole Alternative/Indie movement is completely teen-based - the problem I think is there is a huge split in musical taste between kids that like Indie and kids that like Kesha and Katy Perry, and I think CHR PDs are afraid to mix the two together

>>>>Bad analogy. That's a complete niche format all together. Call it a sub specie from a sub specie from another sub specie. It's compared to teens who completely distance themselves back in the late 70's who listen to Rock and hated Disco.

 

[musicman3355]

Forget rock on CHR, expect dance to be the new trend on top 40 radio now.

 

[Dkampy]

I brought up the nephew in high school only cause I remember when I was in High school (Late 80's early 90's) Any possible act in music well liked charted from hair metal, pop, alternative, hip hop, pop rock, dance etc...The only exceptions were music too explicit for the times such as NWA or Slayer for example. All of the music might not have been chart topping hits...but most would at least make the top 40.

I also believe many(not all) Programmers play it safe. We are certainly seeing much tighter playlists then ever before. How much Rhianna does radio really need?

As Atlantaboy Mentioned WXXL...they were a very Rhythmic leaning station in the early 90's...Plus when I lived in Orlando it was very much consider adverse to rock and more of an urban and Rhythmic town...but somehow WXXl makes it work.

With that said...I do think generally speaking many programmers are doing a fine job. What has always drawn me too CHR is that more than any other genre...what music you play depends on the market.

I am fortunate enough to live in an area that is really CHR heaven. I am able to listen to WIXX from Greenbay, WZEE out of Madison, and WRNW + WXSS in Milwaukee. I think all stations are programmed for their market and all do a great job.

 

[atlantaboy]

It's true that 90s/early 2000s bands like Lifehouse and the Goo Goo Dolls don't appeal to teens, but I think it has less to do with teens not liking rock and more to do with teens not liking music that their parents listen to


>>>>Lifehouse and Goo Goo Dolls are not that old and they are still currently active. The parents who listen or grew up with those bands would be raising children maybe as old as 4 years old the most if that. Do the math. (LOL)

LOL the Goo Goo Dolls and Lifehouse get huge 25-55 numbers, and a lot of those listeners have teenage kids

LOL that's why they're staples at Hot AC and AC - do the math :

 

[atlantaboy]

I'm really not sure this is true - the whole Alternative/Indie movement is completely teen-based - the problem I think is there is a huge split in musical taste between kids that like Indie and kids that like Kesha and Katy Perry, and I think CHR PDs are afraid to mix the two together

>>>>Bad analogy. That's a complete niche format all together. Call it a sub specie from a sub specie from another sub specie. It's compared to teens who completely distance themselves back in the late 70's who listen to Rock and hated Disco.

Yeah 70s rock was such a tiny movement : Are you seriously in the music business?

 

[danikayser84]

One problem with WKKF/Albany is that people tend to click it off every time something like Taylor Swift or Christina Perri comes on... it's like they play 10 or so Rhythmic songs in a row then something that doesn't fit very well, such as All-American Rejects... and they click over to WAJZ which is a true Rhythmic

With 96.7 WPTR in Albany going from Christian music to oldies, I wonder if WTRY and its oldies format will go downhill and become rock-leaning CHR as "Channel 98.3" or similar by the end of 2011, leaving 102.3 as a full-on Rhythmic

 

[Starbucks]

It's true that 90s/early 2000s bands like Lifehouse and the Goo Goo Dolls don't appeal to teens, but I think it has less to do with teens not liking rock and more to do with teens not liking music that their parents listen to


>>>>Lifehouse and Goo Goo Dolls are not that old and they are still currently active. The parents who listen or grew up with those bands would be raising children maybe as old as 4 years old the most if that. Do the math. (LOL)

LOL the Goo Goo Dolls and Lifehouse get huge 25-55 numbers, and a lot of those listeners have teenage kids

LOL that's why they're staples at Hot AC and AC - do the math :

What the hell do you think I said. 25-55...is their a huge audience. These groups only have been around since early 2000's, and the kids who grew up on them in high school are now only in their early to mid 20's. Which makes them lean currently toward Hot AC. People in their 30's or 40's or older have teenagers that lean obviously toward CHR. But i wasn't comparing them.